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Are You Concerned About The National Debt?
« on: February 26, 2012, 11:29:17 AM »
The national debt has now exceeded $16 TRILLION which is over $46,000 for every man, woman and child in the country. Does that concern you?
If it does, do you hope that our next president will do something to reduce it?

Here is a compilation of the most recent study by a reputable organization and verified by many others on which of the candidates policies will effect the national debt

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Which candidate(s) will slash the national debt
http://crfb.org/document/primary-numbers-gop-candidates-and-national-debt
http://crfb.org/

Compilation
http://crfb.org/sites/default/files/primary_numbers.pdf

CNN Sumary
http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/23/news/economy/gop_candidates_deficits/index.htm
Bloomberg
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-23/paul-s-plan-would-lower-debt-while-rivals-wouldn-t-report-says.html
Washington Post:
 "Report: Debt will swell under top GOP hopefuls’ tax plans"
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...src=al_comboNP
 
USA Today:
 "Budget watchdog: Most GOP hopefuls would increase debt"
 http://content.usatoday.com/communit...1#.T0ZREqN5mSN
 
Reason:
 "New Report on GOP Primary Contenders Says Only Ron Paul Would Reduce the Federal Debt"
 http://reason.com/blog/2012/02/23/ne...contenders-say
 
Christian Science Monitor:
"Keen on slashing the national debt? Ron Paul is your man."
 http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Electio...ul-is-your-man
 
Chron:
 "Study: Ron Paul would be the only candidate to shrink the federal debt"
 http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2012...deral-deficit/



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Re: Are You Concerned About The National Debt?
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2012, 11:16:38 PM »
Anybody who has even the tiniest amount of "flag-waver" in his veins should be ashamed of this, and it should speak volumes about the country needing to think in humbler proportions.

I'm never going to forget how conservatives barely raised objections at Bush for his outrageous spending, his weird faith in the prosperous/wealthy (an ideology that STILL plagues the country from those days) and the belief that the country should assume that it's indestructible.

I heard something spot on lately on definitions:

Recession: when your neighbor loses his job.

Depression: when you lose yours.

Recovery: when Obama loses his.

There's only one presidential candidate right now who I could honestly believe would do his best to kick the spending habits of the last two presidents and I'm blown away that it doesn't mean squat to so many people. I honestly wonder how they are reasoning this out, that we can afford not to care about which president would actually make progress toward trimming the debt.

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Re: Are You Concerned About The National Debt?
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2012, 06:31:58 AM »
The debt needs to be brought down NOW.  We need to IMMEDIATLY get at least a trillion (with a T) in annual SURPLUS to start  paying this off.

I see NO ONE running today that has any kind of plan doing this.

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Re: Are You Concerned About The National Debt?
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2012, 08:03:48 AM »
If we can have an economy growing faster than the debt then the debt will become less and less of a problem.

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Re: Are You Concerned About The National Debt?
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2012, 08:51:15 AM »
Except we don't. 

And we don'really NEED a "growing" economy.  We need a steady state economy where people are employed and maintaining.  If we grow, it is at someone else's expense and that is ultimately not sustainable.

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Re: Are You Concerned About The National Debt?
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2012, 02:55:41 PM »
The debt needs to be brought down NOW.  We need to IMMEDIATLY get at least a trillion (with a T) in annual SURPLUS to start  paying this off.

I see NO ONE running today that has any kind of plan doing this.


In the launch post I gave a bunch of links. Here is just one that says 3 out of 4 GOP candidates will ad to the national debt. http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/23/news/economy/gop_candidates_deficits/index.htm

We KNOW Obama's policies will ad to the national debt. I was wondering what you think of Ron Paul's plan to cut 5 programs and $1 TRILLION in his first year?
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« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2012, 05:09:57 AM »
Except we don't.

We typically did from the end of WW2 until about 2008. 

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And we don'really NEED a "growing" economy.  We need a steady state economy where people are employed and maintaining.  If we grow, it is at someone else's expense and that is ultimately not sustainable.

Yes, we need a growing economy.  It is in the so-called "steady-state" economy  that my kids will only benefit by the suffering of others.

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Re: Are You Concerned About The National Debt?
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2012, 10:08:23 AM »
If our economy is growing, then whose is shrinking to make up the difference?

It cannot just go up and up for centuries world wide.

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Re: Are You Concerned About The National Debt?
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2012, 08:04:25 PM »
No one's economy had to shrink for ours to get so big.  The zero sum fallacy is that - a fallacy.  The next time you go to the grocery store, work, out to eat, etc., ask yourself who won.  The answer is both sides walk away feeling like a winner in the transaction or else they wouldn't have had the transaction.  That is, unless you're dealing with someone with a gun to your head like a politician or some other criminally-minded type.

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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2012, 05:09:00 AM »
Is it that folks just don't understand or what?

Y'all do know that the President (any President) has little to do with adding to/subtracting from the National Debt don't you?
Yes, they can request Congress to enact certain policies which might add to/subtract from, but the President does not have the power to do this on their own.

It's Congress!
It's Congress!
IT'S CONGRESS!

Which is WHY the most important part of the upcomming election is the Congressional side!  To make a REAL difference, folks have to be assured that those elected to Congress will act to do the things needed to correct our failing economy, and all the other issues that face our Nation.

Do the anti-Obama folks just not understand?  Certainly the National Media does, for they are relentless in ONLY stressing the Presidential side of the election, and trying to lessen the importance of the Congressional side.  Is this a strategic move on their part?  Why are the Republicans/Conservatives/whoevers not concentrating more on the Congressional elections?

This is where the battle will be won or lost...................regardless of which side one comes down on!

Even here, there is little to NO discussion of Congressional candidates, but a plethera of posts concerning the Presidential race.  It's almost an incessent commenting of "beat Obama."  Beating Obama is not nearly as important as winning control of both Houses for those who wish to beat Obama.  Keeping Obama only serves those who favor Obama if they win back control of both Houses.

Do folks just not understand?

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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2012, 05:13:44 AM »
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We KNOW Obama's policies will ad to the national debt. I was wondering what you think of Ron Paul's plan to cut 5 programs and $1 TRILLION in his first year?

Common sense no longer prevails my friend.  Even if we got someone in office that would try to reduce our debt, and bring back the constitution as our standard, do you really think all the rest of the politicians in the other two branches of our government that have been supporting just the opposite for so long, will just turn around and cooperate with someone trying to go in the opposite direction?  Wow, that was a long sentence.

Obviously, all three branches of our government have been compromised with enemies of the Constitution, and those with no fiscal responsibility in mind at all.  A perfect recipe for overthrowing the once most powerful nation on earth from within.  We have been had.

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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2012, 07:39:14 AM »
No one's economy had to shrink for ours to get so big.  The zero sum fallacy is that - a fallacy.  The next time you go to the grocery store, work, out to eat, etc., ask yourself who won.  The answer is both sides walk away feeling like a winner in the transaction or else they wouldn't have had the transaction.  That is, unless you're dealing with someone with a gun to your head like a politician or some other criminally-minded type.
So how is constant growth sustainable?  The earth is only so big and only can adequately support a certain population. 

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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2012, 07:42:14 AM »
Is it that folks just don't understand or what?

Y'all do know that the President (any President) has little to do with adding to/subtracting from the National Debt don't you?
One of the Repub guys recently said he could IMMEDIATLY cut spending by $1 trillion. (never said over how long) and that was $1 trillion MORE that people could spend.

How about using that 1 trillion to REDUCE the debt level instead?

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Re: Are You Concerned About The National Debt?
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2012, 01:13:12 PM »
Is it that folks just don't understand or what?

Y'all do know that the President (any President) has little to do with adding to/subtracting from the National Debt don't you?
One of the Repub guys recently said he could IMMEDIATLY cut spending by $1 trillion. (never said over how long) and that was $1 trillion MORE that people could spend.

How about using that 1 trillion to REDUCE the debt level instead?

The Trillion is in his first year.

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Re: Are You Concerned About The National Debt?
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2012, 06:51:11 PM »
Is it that folks just don't understand or what?

Y'all do know that the President (any President) has little to do with adding to/subtracting from the National Debt don't you?
One of the Repub guys recently said he could IMMEDIATLY cut spending by $1 trillion. (never said over how long) and that was $1 trillion MORE that people could spend.

How about using that 1 trillion to REDUCE the debt level instead?

The Trillion is in his first year.


another load of manuer, no President can reduce the budget........only Congress has that power...........why don't people understand this?
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The ONLY way the President can reduce Government spending is by reducing the number of employees in his Administration.