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Army Silenced Chaplains Last Sunday
« on: February 04, 2012, 08:36:57 AM »
Forget the Prostestant/Catholic debates, and forget the pro-life/pro-choice arguments for a second, and just think about the ramifications of the actions of the White House here:


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In Catholic churches across the country, parishioners were read letters from the pulpit this weekend from bishops in their diocese about the mandate from the Department of Health and Human Services giving Catholics a year before they’ll be required to start violating their consciences on insurance coverage for contraception, sterilization, and abortifacient drugs. But not in the Army...

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2012, 10:51:15 AM »
I have a friend who is a retired Chaplin now working for the VA.  He is not allowed to teach or preach or lead a discussion about Christ or the bible.  (might offend some non Christians ya know)  He gets around it by having someone else lead the discussion and he becomes a participant.

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Re: Army Silenced Chaplains Last Sunday
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2012, 10:40:03 AM »
It's pathetic that our soldiers and chaplains do not have one of the most basic of American freedoms--freedoms for which they have sacrificed much.

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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2012, 10:45:22 AM »
Agreed!

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Re: Army Silenced Chaplains Last Sunday
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2012, 01:21:16 PM »
It's pathetic that our soldiers and chaplains do not have one of the most basic of American freedoms--freedoms for which they have sacrificed much.

Sorry, I have to agree with the administration on this one. Chaplains are soldiers in an organized military. At the head of that military sits the commander in chief, the President of the United States. They can not question him or call him out politically because of the respect of the chain of command.

We, however, can. The issue that the chaplains have been silenced on is a very important one. Please contact your Congressmen and let them know that this breach of the constitution will not be tolerated.

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Re: Army Silenced Chaplains Last Sunday
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2012, 04:00:32 PM »
It's pathetic that our soldiers and chaplains do not have one of the most basic of American freedoms--freedoms for which they have sacrificed much.

Sorry, I have to agree with the administration on this one. Chaplains are soldiers in an organized military. At the head of that military sits the commander in chief, the President of the United States. They can not question him or call him out politically because of the respect of the chain of command.

We, however, can. The issue that the chaplains have been silenced on is a very important one. Please contact your Congressmen and let them know that this breach of the constitution will not be tolerated.


Retired military former preacher.  The military controlls a lot but what a chaplin has to say in their service is covered under religious freedom.  What you said is horse hockey.

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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2012, 10:18:28 PM »
It's pathetic that our soldiers and chaplains do not have one of the most basic of American freedoms--freedoms for which they have sacrificed much.

Sorry, I have to agree with the administration on this one. Chaplains are soldiers in an organized military. At the head of that military sits the commander in chief, the President of the United States. They can not question him or call him out politically because of the respect of the chain of command.

We, however, can. The issue that the chaplains have been silenced on is a very important one. Please contact your Congressmen and let them know that this breach of the constitution will not be tolerated.


Retired military former preacher.  The military controlls a lot but what a chaplin has to say in their service is covered under religious freedom.  What you said is horse hockey.

I would think that advising a group of people, from the pulpit, to support non-compliance with federal law would not be considered "religious freedom." I very well could be wrong, and it doesn't matter anyway. The Chaplains were told not to read the letter from the pulpit, they didn't. They provided copies of the letter and had the people read it for themselves.

Trust me, I am no fan of this President or his administration. He has led, what amounts to, a full assault on Christians in this country. It's just that, within the military, rules are a little bit trickier. You having been a military preacher, however, settles it for me. I will take your word for it. Heck, he misinterprets everything else under the constitution, I don't know why I gave him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

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Re: Army Silenced Chaplains Last Sunday
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2012, 07:49:33 AM »
Having watched this play out in the news, I can only conclude that Catholics brought this upon themselves.  In the last Presidential election a majority, 54%, of Catholics voted for Obama.  Catholics have a history of voting into public office pro-abortion candidates.  Catholics are a main reason abortion is legal in America.  On top of this, the Catholic Pope has endorsed universal healthcare which has probably caused many Catholics to think Obamacare is the greatest thing since sliced bread.


http://catholicism.org/54-of-catholic-voters-voted-for-obama.html

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/obama-alienating-catholic-voters-who-chose-winner-9-last-10-elections



"In fact Pope Benedict joined WHO’s call for universal health coverage just before its report hit the press. He called health care a moral responsibility of government and an “inalienable right,