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« on: October 04, 2002, 03:09:08 PM »

I have a couple of tribal owned casinos in my area and in the state I live in (MI).  I believe casinos hurt more than they help.  I see a lot of hope of winning money which turns into big losses for people.

I don't go to the casinos because they are not there to give out money, they are there to take your money.
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2002, 06:09:31 PM »

Spurly, I can't say I disagree with anything you say.  I've done the scripture searchin years past, and no, there's nothing there.  My biggest objection, I guess, is that casinos are by their nature not fully honest businesses, in that in order to make money they have to both give the impression that winning is, if not likely, very possible and at the same time make sure that winning isn't too likely.  My other objection is that in every case where a type of gambling has been legalized in this area, related political corruption has followed.

In the end, though, I don't know.  We are in such desparate need of economic development here that I hate to dismiss anything entirely.  Too many people need jobs, and if this can bring in jobs, who knows, maybe its worth it.

I probably won't take an active part in the arguments for or against it, but our church seems to be getting involved with a coalition of area churches opposing the move (there's that ecumenical involvement you asked about on another post).
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2002, 10:02:51 PM »

Casinos......   ConfusedConfused

Ach Now would I be inviting Jesus to drop by the casino with me for a few games of chance?


ConfusedConfused?

Somehow I just would not feel comfortable with that idea.


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I believe I will pass.


Now my neighbour?ConfusedConfused

It would appear that the Lord's plan is to allow us free will, so if my neighbour chooses the games.........ConfusedConfused

As to crime and political corruption, I have observed that political corruption always seems to involve politicians so perhaps we might be better off just banning politicians.
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2002, 08:29:07 AM »

[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (spurly @ Oct. 05 2002,03:57)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--][!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]As to crime and political corruption, I have observed that political corruption always seems to involve politicians so perhaps we might be better off just banning politicians.[/quote]
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2002, 08:13:23 PM »

[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]I confess I'd like to burn down the places where I see no innocent pleasure, like strip joints...
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But Janine what of Bob's camps?

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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2002, 10:54:14 PM »

So, if you were a member of a tiny congregation, and your preacher (who happened to be your stepfather) said:  "you're always talking about how we ought to cooperate more with other types of churches, how 'bout we all get real active in this anti-gambling coalition the Baptist church down the road is heading up?" what would you do?

Purely hypothetical situation, of course.
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2002, 01:00:41 PM »

If it were a press release or some such thing, no problem.  But what this kind of thing comes down to is usually signing and distributing petitions.  I have put my name on several of these I don't 100% agree with to keep the peace, and that is possibly what I will do again.

Ahh, who knows.  This is an issue I don't have a good handle on.  I don't gamble because of a strong addictive streak in my family, and a casino won't make me start, but as far as the balance of jobs vs. making the poor poorer, who knows?  I'll just go with the tide, most likely.
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2002, 10:16:51 PM »

Some politicians in our state (WV) taking advantage of our perpetually depressed economy, have decided that we can bring jobs by introducing "limited" casino gambling (oops, I mean "gaming").  Although I hate to oppose any type of economic development in this area, I can't see any good coming from this, particularly given the history of bribery and political corruption surrounding our lottery and greyhound racing industry.  Any thoughts?  Some of you who live in areas where this is legal, how has it worked out?  Is there a real downside, or are the stories we hear exaggerated?
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2002, 04:11:03 PM »

I'm a fence sitter when it comes to casino gambling.  (Yes, I know, that might meach I get a bruise on my rear end from the picket sticking into it).

There is a downside to gambling.  Crime goes up as people have to pay their debts.  Some irresponsible parents squander money away that should have been spent to put clothes on children and food in their stomachs.  And other things like domestic abuse rise in areas that have legalized gambling.

So I went to the Scriptures to see if I could find anywhere where God speaks about gambling, and I couldn't find it.  I expected it to be there, but it wasn't.  (If you have found passages that speak of gambling, please let me know, I seriously want to find out what God's will is!)  

Since I could find no place in Scripture that knocks gambling, I have adopted the position that the abuse and addiction to gambling is wrong.  But going into a casino occasionally and spending a little money at a table is no different that losing it at the movies.  After both of them the money is gone.  If gambling is done in moderation, it probably falls into the same place as drinking in moderation - a gray area where one has to determine for himself/herself if it is permissible in the eyes of God.

I know that's not the best answer to your question - but it is the only one I have.

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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2002, 07:05:50 PM »

I can't speak for all casinos but I do know there is mafia involvement in casinos.
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2002, 07:57:59 AM »

[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (Booty @ Oct. 04 2002,10:02)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]As to crime and political corruption, I have observed that political corruption always seems to involve politicians so perhaps we might be better off just banning politicians.[/quote]
Thanks for giving me a great laugh this morning booty!

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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2002, 04:14:31 PM »

We had a brother in the congregation when we lived up North who was some sort of pit boss in a tribal casino.  I don't know if he was in on the division of some gambling profits; it would depend on whether or not he took advantage of whatever was coming to him as a member of the Sioux Nation.  Either way, he worked in the casino.

I met an enthusiastic sister at our between-the-hurricanes Islam seminar, who lives in North Louisiana and travels to her job in Mississippi at a casino.  She has made a mission field of it & is constantly setting up Bible studies and passing around inspirational materials and sending folks interested in the church to a congregation near the casino.  She says she sees more heatache and wide-open need of the Lord among the employees than she does among the gamblers.

The only time I recall Biblical "gambling" is when lots were cast, as in a roll of the dice (or the temporal/cultural equivalent), when the remaining apostles wanted to replace Judas, and when the soldiers who did not want to ruin Jesus' clothes gambled over who would get his seamless garment.

To be a farmer or to invest in a business is to gamble.  We take chances on success or failure, seeking God's blessing but knowing it may be His plan to allow failure... Life's a gamble.

Mike just now left to go down the bayou amongst the debris and snakes to find a place to help people get their lives back together after the hurricane's flood.  (No particular place; the people we know personally are mostly down the other bayou where our "plant" church is, & they have help.)  That's a risky proposition.

Jessamyn spent the morning helping to unload an 18-wheeler of donated disaster supplies, mattresses, food, etc., at the church building, so that we can caravan it down the bayous as soon as the police and National Guard let us down there.  She gambled her time and back muscles on the idea that we would be able to get the supplies to people who really need it, and the Churches of Christ who cooperate in the disaster relief program gamble their time and money and supplies on everything working like clockwork down the line through us to the needy.

I hate the bad stuff that comes with setting up an environment where people chase any pleasure... but I don't want to burn down all the theaters and chocolate shops, do I?  I confess I'd like to burn down the places where I see no innocent pleasure, like strip joints...

People need to take into their own hands all that they do, and hold it all up for the Abba's inspection, to see if it seems to be worthy of Him.
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2002, 04:17:17 PM »

Then there was the drawing of lots?  Casting of lots? on the boat when the guys going to Tarshish wanted to see whose fault it was that the sea was out to kill them.
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2002, 09:34:53 PM »

Yeah, his camp would have been quite rough on me, as my knees are so very, very close to the ground.
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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2002, 07:06:33 AM »

I hope that un-hypothcates itself real quick & becomes real.

I'd hate to see some sort of test of fellowship come out of whether or not Brother So-and-So buys a Lotto ticket on his way home from work...  But then, what if he did, and won millions, would he be burned at the stake if he wanted to put any of that filthy gambling-- er-- gaming money in the collection plate?

What would be wrong with a press release or a news conference with a representative from different denom. congregations, and your S-Dad's church, too, stating the congregational position against institutionalized gambling?

Aside from the idea that you may be part of one of the congregations who join forces, & you mau not agree with the announcement.

Today is LIFECHAIN, a quiet, prayerful, one-hour-a-year abortion protest.  Every year we struggle to get it announced "from the pulpit".  Every year my family is pretty much the whole representation of the church out there.

Activism can be a lonely business.

What would you do if S-Dad jumped in with both feet?  Be grateful & get in the water, or hold back because they were making some kind of salvational watershed out of it?
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