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Re: Caucus worst political experience of my life
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2012, 03:49:08 PM »
Jett, the caucus process IS a shouting contest. Voting is exactly how the general election is done. If we have been satisfied with vote counting in the general, it can be achieved in the primaries. No, caucuses are silly.
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2012, 04:12:57 PM »
Jamie
you are right at their best a caucus is a very poor process.

Jett
No I was not at the St Charles one but know about it.  Actually the RP supporters were very civil at the one I attended and almost pulled off an upset.

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Re: Caucus worst political experience of my life
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2012, 07:32:49 AM »
I don't decry what Ron Paul supporters have done. I think they have done an outstanding job. I just don't believe the caucus process is good process. In the states it is used, it is a miniscule percentage of the total GOP voters. Active and engaged yes, but not a good sampling. Even in the most civil and gentlemenly occasions, they are in large part a shouting contest. I am in no way in favor of a small percentage of people gathering and "deciding" who the winner is. It should be exactly like the general election. Caucuses are as outdated as the Electoral College.

Nothing manipulative about a straight up vote, a single national primary after one or two debates, early on. The majority would have no occasion to oppress. The current hodge podge of state contests with rules that vary across the board are the problem, winner take all, winner shares half, winner gets most, prorata sharing, states get half because they moved up their event. It's nuts. Not to mention that Iowa and New Hampshire, two relatively small and insignifican states get to set the momentum. That doesn't make sense. No way should 6,000 or 7,000 corn farmers  or 3000 or 4000 maple syrup farmers get to decide in their shouting matches in high school gyms who the national front runner is. It should be a single day for the nation. Of course I know the media wouldn't like that, but who cares?
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2012, 07:52:35 AM »
Yep.  Debate for long enough to know the candidates then one nation wide vote.  But then it would not take a billion dollars and selling of a candidates soul to the money wagon. 

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Re: Caucus worst political experience of my life
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2012, 09:00:22 AM »
The present system has got to cost the Equivalent of the GDP of several moderately sized countries. And as I said we have a few thousand corn farmers establishing a "front runner".
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« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2012, 09:35:48 AM »

Yep.  Debate for long enough to know the candidates then one nation wide vote.  But then it would not take a billion dollars and selling of a candidates soul to the money wagon.
 

Are you suggesting there is a politician that hasn't already done that? ::pondering::

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« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2012, 02:37:38 PM »
Nope.  None that I know of that is why we need the change to get non professional politicians in and short enough term limits so they don't become professional extortionists oh I mean politicians.

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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2012, 06:02:51 AM »
Here is another thing to cut off the money tree.  Make being a lobbist a federal offence with a manatory 10 year sentence.

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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2012, 09:11:17 AM »
We've got to trust some part of the electronic version since that is how most votes are counted im the general electio. I don't want our leaders chosen by whoever can shout loudest like on the floor of the stock exchange. Or we could just have a national arm wrestling comtest.

ISTM that parties should decide however they want to decide their nominee is and completely foot the bill for it.  There is no reason for taxpayer funded primaries and there is no reason any party should get their candidate's name pre-printed on the November election ballots.  You'd have to keyboard in the name and address for each candidate for each elected spot.  And you should have to show ID to vote.  if you can't spell let that be a lesson to you the cost of being ignorant.  Also, the election day would be changed to the same day tax returns are due.  That would be the start to how I would fix it. 

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Re: Caucus worst political experience of my life
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2012, 03:04:38 PM »
I would never support electronic voting machines unless there was a paper back up to go along with it. Even then I would have trouble trusting them because of how easy it is to game the system. There is just way too much evidence of tampering, or even potential tampering for any rational person of integrity to trust them.

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« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2012, 03:56:13 PM »
If we can't thoroughly and trustworthily poll the populace to select a leader, then we are a nation to be pitied. If picture ID is too intrusive, then we have no hope. If a dependable and fraud proof means of counting can't be devised, then we have no hope.

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« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2012, 05:20:45 PM »
If we can't thoroughly and trustworthily poll the populace to select a leader, then we are a nation to be pitied. If picture ID is too intrusive, then we have no hope. If a dependable and fraud proof means of counting can't be devised, then we have no hope.

We need to change it because from what I have seen so far in this primary season is a lot of fraud. Votes thrown out. Votes mis counted. Votes not counted.

The worst part is the media's influence over the whoe thing but maybe that should be another thread because it's that bad

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« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2012, 07:16:40 PM »
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Hope you are not saying that caucus is the way to go.  If so I want to know what you have been smoking. ::smile::

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« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2012, 02:11:17 PM »
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Hope you are not saying that caucus is the way to go.  If so I want to know what you have been smoking. ::smile::

Last I checked I ain't smoke'in nutt'in :)

I do think the caucus method can protect us from direct democracy and you should know that our system does need protecting from democracy. It's the worst of alll worlds.
We should also fight tooth and nail to keep the electoral college in place for the same reason.

IF we don't then the people who are subject to lobbyiests, monied interests, media influence, peer pressure, propaganda, lies and trends will control the outcome of every election. Thos are usually the ones who reside in large population centers like LA, NYC, Philly, Detriot, Chicago etc. The people on the outskirts will lose out every time as a result and have no representation.

We see it today during this campaign. People who get their information from mainstream media constructs usually vote for the candidate that the media portrays as having the best chance to win (according to the media of course) while they black out the ones the elites and the media don't want us to know about.

The ONLY way to break up the monopoly of the two party crimocracy or at least keep the suckers honest is to be involved, and informed.

They thrive on a dumbed down, ill informed and un-involved electorate.

I hold the media equally complicit in the ruin on this country because they keep promoting only the candidates who favor the same paradign. Federal Reserve controls of our money supply. Internationalism through trans-national "trade agreements" that transfer our production base to third world countries and diminish our sovereignty as a nation. Membership in the United Nations which presides over EVERY trans-national orginization whether World Bank, IMF, WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA, SPP, or the EU. They all favor the IRS (I Represent Satan) which arbitrarily takes our money to give to the international bankers of the Federal Reserve to pay tem interest on money they created out of thin air to begin with. They ALL favor policing the world, and engaging in wars that have nothing to do with protection of our freedom or our country. They also favor the candidates who think nothing of taking away our freedoms either in big chunks like the Patriot Act or NDAA but incrementally via passive legislation many times wrapped in bills that would seem unrelated to a rational mind.

Meanwhile they ignore or marginalize ALL opposing views that don't support the globalist agenda.


This should all be both alarming and encouraging to Christians. Alarming because  we see the fullfillment of prophesies that will culminate in the persecution of end times Saints. Encouraging because it will usher in the return of our Savior.

As for me and my house we will not support their agenda in any way shape or form either by voting for one of Satan's candidates or by supporting any part of their agenda.

I know. I know. Pretty strong language. Radical right? "Satan's candidates" ? Huh?

YES! Candidates who are working either knowingly or un-knowingly. Whether directly or indirectly to bring about Satan's plan for the establishment of the one world system (governmental and cashless financial).

IT"S NOT GOD"S PLAN. Jesus WILL destroy the one world government. The antichrist will emerge through the one world government and murder our brethern.

EVERY ONE of the candidates (except for Ron Paul) is in favor of the steps, the plans, the policies and positions that are helping to establish the New World order

I don't care if they proclaim God from the highest hill. I don't care if they say they are "pro life". I don't care if they will fight Obama.

We're being LIED to and I hold the media as responsible as any corrupt politician.