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« Reply #195 on: November 12, 2008, 11:12:12 AM »

the only time jesus was a capitalist in the bible is when he told the rich man to SELL all of his belongings and follow him...
the rest points to jesus being  a certain kind of communist...

let it be noted that the failed communist governments in recent times also hold a strict anit-religion stance...
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« Reply #196 on: November 12, 2008, 01:36:39 PM »

Every economic system is flawed. And just because a twisted ruler/country perverts an economic system does not make it inherently bad.

In a perfect society, where everyone was treated equal, communism would be an excellent economic choice...because all would be treated equal. The problem is, when you throw sin into the picture, no system is safe, but at least a democracy/capitalist society gives "some" influence to the people.
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« Reply #197 on: November 12, 2008, 05:01:07 PM »

Every economic system is flawed. And just because a twisted ruler/country perverts an economic system does not make it inherently bad.

In a perfect society, where everyone was treated equal, communism would be an excellent economic choice...because all would be treated equal. The problem is, when you throw sin into the picture, no system is safe, but at least a democracy/capitalist society gives "some" influence to the people.

Our economic system became flawed when it became the IMF.......
Before then, throughout history, it has always been backed by a "tangable" commodity. (Gold, silver, gems, barter/trade)

Now it is backed by nothing but debt and that is the reason it is failing.....Not Dem's, Not Republicans......Because it is nothing but debt, that drives our economy.

The economic stress we are in now is the economy leaving the debt backed system (The IMF) and converting back to a Gold standard.
The Market will crash!...It is only a matter of when (not if)

Personally, I hope that it does sooner than later.....I would rather go through it than my kids
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« Reply #198 on: November 12, 2008, 05:14:47 PM »

Our economic system became flawed when it became the IMF.......
Before then, throughout history, it has always been backed by a "tangable" commodity. (Gold, silver, gems, barter/trade)

Now it is backed by nothing but debt and that is the reason it is failing.....Not Dem's, Not Republicans......Because it is nothing but debt, that drives our economy.

The economic stress we are in now is the economy leaving the debt backed system (The IMF) and converting back to a Gold standard.
The Market will crash!...It is only a matter of when (not if)

Personally, I hope that it does sooner than later.....I would rather go through it than my kids

I couldn't agree more Corbley, I've been a practicing economist for decades. Do you agree with me on something I wonder?...

I believe that our US budget won't collapse our economy, but rather when the world "calls our loans" for all those Treasury Bonds they are holding. Its hard to tell, because on the one hand, they could "take out" America financially...but then who would buy their products? I'm pretty convinced that if the American financial system fails, everyone will.
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« Reply #198 on: November 12, 2008, 05:14:47 PM »

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« Reply #199 on: November 12, 2008, 05:51:21 PM »

Our economic system became flawed when it became the IMF.......
Before then, throughout history, it has always been backed by a "tangable" commodity. (Gold, silver, gems, barter/trade)

Now it is backed by nothing but debt and that is the reason it is failing.....Not Dem's, Not Republicans......Because it is nothing but debt, that drives our economy.

The economic stress we are in now is the economy leaving the debt backed system (The IMF) and converting back to a Gold standard.
The Market will crash!...It is only a matter of when (not if)

Personally, I hope that it does sooner than later.....I would rather go through it than my kids

I couldn't agree more Corbley, I've been a practicing economist for decades. Do you agree with me on something I wonder?...

I believe that our US budget won't collapse our economy, but rather when the world "calls our loans" for all those Treasury Bonds they are holding. Its hard to tell, because on the one hand, they could "take out" America financially...but then who would buy their products? I'm pretty convinced that if the American financial system fails, everyone will.

I do agree, but I think it may happen a little different.....Like perhaps, ceasing assets owned...instead of calling in debt...They could control certain infrastructures
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« Reply #200 on: November 14, 2008, 03:48:20 AM »


I believe that our US budget won't collapse our economy, but rather when the world "calls our loans" for all those Treasury Bonds they are holding. Its hard to tell, because on the one hand, they could "take out" America financially...but then who would buy their products? I'm pretty convinced that if the American financial system fails, everyone will.

I do agree, but I think it may happen a little different.....Like perhaps, ceasing assets owned...instead of calling in debt...They could control certain infrastructures
and control they will, but it still takes at the very least two to trade, barter, deal, etc....
the global economy is very real and becoming more realized.... in a very real sense, 'them' is 'us'

every morning the nyse opens on the heels of the asian markets
it's all different shades of the same world...

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« Reply #201 on: November 14, 2008, 12:44:43 PM »


I believe that our US budget won't collapse our economy, but rather when the world "calls our loans" for all those Treasury Bonds they are holding. Its hard to tell, because on the one hand, they could "take out" America financially...but then who would buy their products? I'm pretty convinced that if the American financial system fails, everyone will.

I do agree, but I think it may happen a little different.....Like perhaps, ceasing assets owned...instead of calling in debt...They could control certain infrastructures
and control they will, but it still takes at the very least two to trade, barter, deal, etc....
the global economy is very real and becoming more realized.... in a very real sense, 'them' is 'us'

every morning the nyse opens on the heels of the asian markets
it's all different shades of the same world...


Right! The whole world economic system is becoming bound together....It is the begining of the New World Order (Or Globalization, if you perfer....They are the same thing)
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« Reply #202 on: November 14, 2008, 11:47:30 PM »


I believe that our US budget won't collapse our economy, but rather when the world "calls our loans" for all those Treasury Bonds they are holding. Its hard to tell, because on the one hand, they could "take out" America financially...but then who would buy their products? I'm pretty convinced that if the American financial system fails, everyone will.

I do agree, but I think it may happen a little different.....Like perhaps, ceasing assets owned...instead of calling in debt...They could control certain infrastructures
and control they will, but it still takes at the very least two to trade, barter, deal, etc....
the global economy is very real and becoming more realized.... in a very real sense, 'them' is 'us'

every morning the nyse opens on the heels of the asian markets
it's all different shades of the same world...


Right! The whole world economic system is becoming bound together....It is the begining of the New World Order (Or Globalization, if you perfer....They are the same thing)
okay, new world order
surely you're not suggesting that i should be scared of a new world order?

if it's god's plan, it's god's plan... am i to fight it?
as a believer, it's more of a reminder to get more people on board than a subject of worry and fear.

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« Reply #203 on: November 17, 2008, 09:59:22 AM »


I believe that our US budget won't collapse our economy, but rather when the world "calls our loans" for all those Treasury Bonds they are holding. Its hard to tell, because on the one hand, they could "take out" America financially...but then who would buy their products? I'm pretty convinced that if the American financial system fails, everyone will.

I do agree, but I think it may happen a little different.....Like perhaps, ceasing assets owned...instead of calling in debt...They could control certain infrastructures
and control they will, but it still takes at the very least two to trade, barter, deal, etc....
the global economy is very real and becoming more realized.... in a very real sense, 'them' is 'us'

every morning the nyse opens on the heels of the asian markets
it's all different shades of the same world...


Right! The whole world economic system is becoming bound together....It is the begining of the New World Order (Or Globalization, if you perfer....They are the same thing)
okay, new world order
surely you're not suggesting that i should be scared of a new world order?

if it's god's plan, it's god's plan... am i to fight it?
as a believer, it's more of a reminder to get more people on board than a subject of worry and fear.



You are absolutely correct.....I welcome the "New World Order" or Globalization (if you prefer),  When we see that come to life, then Christ will be coming soon after that......No the NWO is nothing to fear for Christians, it is something we should welcome and be encouraged by.....Along with the rise of the Anti-Christ.....I welcome these things and know that when we begin to see these things unfold......The wickedness of this world is going to be punished; the greed of the most wealthy, their arrogance...and in the end they will be bowing to us servants of Christ..........No brother, I do welcome the NWO,   It is part of God's perfect plan,  SO you misunderstood, what I was trying to say.    (We are on the same page)
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« Reply #204 on: November 18, 2008, 09:17:29 AM »


I believe that our US budget won't collapse our economy, but rather when the world "calls our loans" for all those Treasury Bonds they are holding. Its hard to tell, because on the one hand, they could "take out" America financially...but then who would buy their products? I'm pretty convinced that if the American financial system fails, everyone will.

I do agree, but I think it may happen a little different.....Like perhaps, ceasing assets owned...instead of calling in debt...They could control certain infrastructures
and control they will, but it still takes at the very least two to trade, barter, deal, etc....
the global economy is very real and becoming more realized.... in a very real sense, 'them' is 'us'

every morning the nyse opens on the heels of the asian markets
it's all different shades of the same world...


Right! The whole world economic system is becoming bound together....It is the begining of the New World Order (Or Globalization, if you perfer....They are the same thing)
okay, new world order
surely you're not suggesting that i should be scared of a new world order?

if it's god's plan, it's god's plan... am i to fight it?
as a believer, it's more of a reminder to get more people on board than a subject of worry and fear.



You are absolutely correct.....I welcome the "New World Order" or Globalization (if you prefer),  When we see that come to life, then Christ will be coming soon after that......No the NWO is nothing to fear for Christians, it is something we should welcome and be encouraged by.....Along with the rise of the Anti-Christ.....I welcome these things and know that when we begin to see these things unfold......The wickedness of this world is going to be punished; the greed of the most wealthy, their arrogance...and in the end they will be bowing to us servants of Christ..........No brother, I do welcome the NWO,   It is part of God's perfect plan,  SO you misunderstood, what I was trying to say.    (We are on the same page)

i admittedly have prejudices... i apologize... i'm actually learning that there is humility and reason within the christian community...

again, i apologize...
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« Reply #205 on: November 19, 2008, 07:55:04 AM »

Our economic system became flawed when it became the IMF.......
Before then, throughout history, it has always been backed by a "tangable" commodity. (Gold, silver, gems, barter/trade)

No, some folks only clung to the myth that such is possible.  The normal banking process makes a gold standard logically impossible.

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Now it is backed by nothing but debt and that is the reason it is failing.....Not Dem's, Not Republicans......Because it is nothing but debt, that drives our economy.

It is "backed", whatever that means, by what our economy has always actually been backed by, the productivity and ingenuity of our people.

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The economic stress we are in now is the economy leaving the debt backed system (The IMF) and converting back to a Gold standard.
The Market will crash!...It is only a matter of when (not if)

Since a gold standard is logically impossible, we won't be converting back to it. 

It appears that you are either a socialist or a communist, since you advocate a gold standard.  Which?  If you protest that you are neither, keep in mind that advocating a gold standard does make it so since you are for the government telling the miners what their product is worth. 
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« Reply #206 on: November 19, 2008, 08:08:33 AM »

14 pages when all that's really needed is a simple answer to this question:  Who would call these "Christian Nations"?

People's Republic of China
Republic of Cuba
North Korea
Laos
Vietnam
And just for old time's sake, the USSR during its 70 year experiment

Anyone?  Anyone?
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« Reply #207 on: November 19, 2008, 08:56:58 AM »

14 pages when all that's really needed is a simple answer to this question:  Who would call these "Christian Nations"?

People's Republic of China
Republic of Cuba
North Korea
Laos
Vietnam
And just for old time's sake, the USSR during its 70 year experiment

Anyone?  Anyone?

Is there anyone out there that is repulsed by even the idea of a 'christian nation' to begin with.
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« Reply #208 on: November 19, 2008, 09:16:16 AM »

Well, in my book there's really no such thing, but I think you get my drift.
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« Reply #209 on: November 19, 2008, 01:05:07 PM »

No, some folks only clung to the myth that such is possible.  The normal banking process makes a gold standard logically impossible.

It is "backed", whatever that means, by what our economy has always actually been backed by, the productivity and ingenuity of our people.

Since a gold standard is logically impossible, we won't be converting back to it. 

It appears that you are either a socialist or a communist, since you advocate a gold standard.  Which?  If you protest that you are neither, keep in mind that advocating a gold standard does make it so since you are for the government telling the miners what their product is worth.

Mere Nick, I see what you are saying, but in Corbley's defense:

The Federal Reserve is not a normal banking process, it has the power to "coin" money from nothing. I mean sure, we issue treasury bonds, but America is a consumption nation...we hardly produce anything. And even the things we do produce (US Auto Industry) are failing. So, if the dollar is backed by us (US citizen production) than its value is decreasing daily.

I don't think banks should convert back to a gold standard, I just feel the currency coiner (Fed) should be backed against a tangible asset (oil, metal, something). If Big American businesses fail (as they are now) the entire country goes down, not just the people who did the bad things, that's the flaw with our economic system.

The dollar's value is realized by the success of major American companies. The success of major American companies is realized by the investments interests of the entire world economy. The Federal Reserve is a non-government entity whose primary concern is keeping the entire world's currencies up.

All the current economic signs would suggest that idealized/realized currency value does not work. US businesses are failing, which in turn makes our citizens fail, which in turn makes the world fail. Which is why we will have one world currency, because it will be backed by the whole world and I'm sure the anti-christ will claim this will eliminate any ripple effects with business. If money is at peace, the world is at peace.

Lastly, the market value of gold would still be decided by supply/demand from the entire world...so the US government could not regulate its value (if they followed the laws of economics). If your money is backed by something, it doesn't render capitalism null, it simply doesn't allow people to live in a 'dream world' that America will always be on top because it is America & we have bigger guns. Its all tied together, fear, money, greed, and America is a superpower because we employ all 3. I love our freedoms, but I also think we need to pay for our mistakes and live realistically.
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