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Re: Communism vs. Christianity
« Reply #300 on: January 23, 2010, 08:03:48 AM »
The only examples of communism you know are forced, therefore you are projecting your known examples into the definition of communism, which doesn't include the word "forced" nor anything synonymous.  This is the definition I found of communism:

a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

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Re: Communism vs. Christianity
« Reply #301 on: January 23, 2010, 11:06:03 AM »
If you will google communalism your definition fits perfectly.
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« Reply #302 on: January 23, 2010, 11:07:32 AM »
The only examples of communism you know are forced, therefore you are projecting your known examples into the definition of communism, which doesn't include the word "forced" nor anything synonymous.  This is the definition I found of communism:

a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

Forced or not, communism suffers the same problem as capitalism or any other economic or governmental system.  People.
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« Reply #303 on: January 24, 2010, 07:12:12 PM »
The only examples of communism you know are forced, therefore you are projecting your known examples into the definition of communism, which doesn't include the word "forced" nor anything synonymous.  This is the definition I found of communism:

a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

Which can only be obtained by force as long as only one person in the state says he'll just continue to be the owner of his stuff.
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Suffering for your beliefs is called faithfulness, making others suffer for your beliefs is called being a jerk.

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« Reply #304 on: January 24, 2010, 07:13:24 PM »
The only examples of communism you know are forced, therefore you are projecting your known examples into the definition of communism, which doesn't include the word "forced" nor anything synonymous.  This is the definition I found of communism:

a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

Forced or not, communism suffers the same problem as capitalism or any other economic or governmental system.  People.

In which system can you more readily tell someone to pound sand?
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They turned me loose from the nervous hospital.  Said I was well.  Mmm hmm.

Suffering for your beliefs is called faithfulness, making others suffer for your beliefs is called being a jerk.

His cross, like the ark in the wilderness, is the center around which his people are to encamp; so that they cannot separate into factions, or withdraw from each other, without retiring at the same time from the presence of the cross.

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« Reply #305 on: January 25, 2010, 02:36:21 PM »
In our society, you CAN tell them all day, every day to pound sand, but unless you have a good deal of money, our politicians ain't listening to you and they don't care what you say,...so you might consider whether you should say anything at all.

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« Reply #306 on: February 24, 2010, 12:47:08 PM »

If communism is so evil and such a harsh thing for Christians to allow why is the church growing in a communist country?


Communism IS an evil and harsh thing, and Christianity is flourishing in Communist China not because Communism is so tolerant or wonderful but because the Gospel is so powerful and succeeds in spite of an evil regime. Has nothing to do WITH Communism, but everything to do WITH the GOSPEL AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.

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No question about it...communist countries have historically been atheist as a rule.
China is tolerating Christianity because they can't find a way to stop it without revealing their frustration against Christians through more imprisonment and persecution and thereby destroy their carefully cultivated image of recent years.

Most communist countries and dictatorships worship the leader in place of God.
In the past in China that was Mao, just recently here in America a couple of government officials have went on record praising Mao as well...go figure ::headscratch::

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« Reply #307 on: March 11, 2010, 06:40:14 PM »
First, China is socialist, not communist.  No country has ever successfully adopted a true communist government.

China allows private ownership of property and business.  It allows for free market enterprise among small businesses where people are free to choose between competing dealers for the best price on goods.  It allows companies to set their own wages for employees.  This is socialism, where the large decisions are made by government and handed down with no voting power by citizens.

Neither socialists nor communists dislike religion.  The dislike of religion comes from Lenninism.  As in USSR.  They believed that religion was a tool created by the upper classes to calm and subdue the working class, and therefore outlawed religion in order to help free the mind of the worker.  China has never outlawed religion.  Christianity, yes, but never religion.

Why did China outlaw Christianity?  For one, they believed it to be a western influence on society which was to be avoided in order to promote Chinese self worth.  Second, it was their belief that theirs was the correct religion.  Much the same as the Roman Catholics once believed that theirs was the only true religion and persecuted those who believed otherwise.

In all reality, communism has some really great ideas.  Fair, flat taxation policies; equal wages among workers; open access to knowledge and industry; the idea that anyone can be anything based only on his or her skills and not social class, race, religion, or upbringing.  These are all great things.  The problem with this form of government is it allows for no checks or balances against abuse by the ruling party other than violent overthrow by the workers.  To ensure violent overthrow isn't possible, the ruling class then denies the working class freedom of communication, access to information, access to weapons, and wages capable of sustaining an overthrow.

The saddest part is that I see these very things happening today in America and we are allowing it to happen.

I'll take socialized medicine any day as long as it is run by people who are subject to true oversight and held accountable, including using their own socialized medicine.  I would gladly live in a communist country so long as it was run by people who were subject to true oversight and held accountable.  I would not choose to live in any socialist regime the world has seen so far, and I am starting to rethink my choices about this one as it moves closer and closer to a democratic socialist regime where the working class is suppressed for the benefit of the ruling class. 
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« Reply #308 on: March 30, 2010, 09:39:04 PM »
I profit well and daily.  You misunderstand. I am not speaking out against profits(or prophets, for that matter).  I am just saying that Capitalism is NOT synonymous with Christianity. That's all. There are many times the two vary incredibly.  Many make a huge mistake and try to run the church like a business in the typical American business model. Wrong!! You can't read the NT or look at the life of Jesus and see a business or capitalism.  Capitalism is good, but it is not, by a long shot, endorsed anywhere as the God ordained way. God never ordained a government. As I stated earlier there is a passage in the NT that speaks about a first century church, maybe in Corinth, that pooled their resources and gave to any as they had need.  NO it wasn't forced, but if you will look, "forced" is not in the title at the top of this thread.  We are not like God, and cannot speak for Him where He has not spoken in sanctioning one government as "Christian" and another as "non Christian". His thoughts and ways are not our thoughts and ways. Even in a nation that doesn't recognize God,...Christianity thrived.

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Actually, the Jewish system was a capitalist one. Other than giving 10 percent for God's work and leaving for the poor what they dropped on the ground during harvest, they could keep whatever they produced. They could invest, spend, save, etc. The rule was that if a man wouldn't work, he shouldn't eat. So they knew that if a man was able-bodied but refusing to work, they owed him nothing. If you study the Jewish people in the days of the Old Testament, they were a almost completely pure free market (a.k.a. capitalistic) system.

Johnny, I think you are speaking from a philosophical standpoint because you don't believe we'll really lose our free market system. If you believed it was in danger as many do, I think you'd be speaking strongly against socialism and communism.
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