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Question: Is it Constitutional to Force People to Buy Healthcare?
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« on: November 02, 2009, 10:33:40 PM »

As you should know, under Obama's socialized medicine plan Americans will be required to have health insurance or pay huge fines.

So the question is, if the government can force us to buy health care, what can they not force us to do?

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R.-Utah) believes the mandate is not constitutionally justified. Here's what he said, “...here would be the first time where our government would demand that people buy something that they may or may not want,” Hatch told CNSNews.com. “And, you know, if that’s the case, then we didn’t need a ‘Cash for Clunkers,’ all we had to do is have the federal government say you all got to buy new cars, no matter how tough it is on you. You know, they could require you to buy anything! And that isn’t America. That’s not freedom. That’s not constitutionally sound. Now, there may be some gimmicky way that they can do this, but I can’t think of a gimmicky way that would be constitutionally justified.”

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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 06:07:40 AM »

It is not constitutional unless one can show me where it specifically states that the we the people gave the authority to the government to require it of us.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 12:11:42 PM »

It is not constitutional unless one can show me where it specifically states that the we the people gave the authority to the government to require it of us.

I'm sure you'll just get a bunch of crickets chirping on that one. I don't think Obama cares one bit if anything he does is constitutional or not. He wants a socialist country and to be the dictator of it so the last thing he wants to do is do things by the constitution because he'd have to impeach himself.
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2009, 12:14:58 PM »

Someone voted "yes" ?  Scratching head....a little confused.

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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2009, 05:34:31 PM »

 Obama uses copies of the constitution for toilet paper.
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2009, 07:46:54 AM »

Not constitutional. You cannot be penalized for sitting peacefully at home and NOT buying something. It is a tax then isnt it, so why not call it a tax....say we will tax this amount, and simultaneously we will add this healthcare. Thats the only way they could conceivably make it constiututional.
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2009, 10:27:44 AM »

I think this discussion began before most of us were born.

"Is it Constitutional to Force People to Pay into Social Security?"

And, the liberal litany remains the  same:  Constitutional or not, if those who could afford to opt-out didn't contribute, the whole scheme would collapse, because then who would need it, along with the Federal government, couldn't afford to support it.
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2009, 11:43:07 AM »

In the early 20th century they debated the constitutional merits of collecting income taxes--being taxed not for buying anything but just for privately earning an income. That passed, social security passed, requiring health coverage would too if they wanted.
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2009, 11:51:32 AM »

Im not sure how trumpeting other unconstitutional programs speaks to the constitutionality of THIS program.
Please explain.
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2009, 12:17:59 PM »

In the early 20th century they debated the constitutional merits of collecting income taxes--being taxed not for buying anything but just for privately earning an income. That passed, social security passed, requiring health coverage would too if they wanted.

The Sixteen Amendment (1913) legalized income taxes...

Social security, or Obamacare, not so much... Frowning
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2009, 12:29:21 PM »

I'm not sure how trumpeting other unconstitutional programs speaks to the constitutionality of THIS program.
Please explain.

Well, you are correct, but the liberal retort if one questions the Constitutionality of Obamacare is that, to be consistant, one has to be against medicare and SS, or, as the more politically astute would put it, "You really advocating depriving Granny health care or food and shelter..."

[Of course, they would also argue that they should be able to (legally) buy cannabis if tobacco and liquor are legal...]
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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2009, 04:54:20 PM »

Great point Norm!
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