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« on: October 27, 2009, 06:44:37 AM »

Below is an e-mail I received.  Pretty disturbing.... I have done a little research on this and was led to a site that still has my mind reeling: [link removed]

If you go to this above site, you need to read from the bottom up, as the most recent posts are at the top.  I welcome anyone's thoughts on this....

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Every American needs to be made aware what is happening.

*Obama's giving the U.S. away*

It's time for the lemmings and sheeple to wake up. If this is true there
will not be a United States after December.

*Actual VIDEO of Lord Monckton Saying, "Obama Poised To Cede Sovereignty of
US in Copenhagen" **
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What follows has been confirmed from Europe and D.C. and elements of the
British Parliament and from within BUCKINGHAM itself. Since before OBAMA
became President there has been underway a secret plan to return the United
States to English Control. OBAMA has been promised the position of PRIME
MINISTER of THE UNITED STATES for as long as he wants it. He, the QUEEN and
THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT have been working on this with OBAMA since before he
became President. Papers have been signed by OBAMA and the QUEEN. That's
what she was doing over here, not trying to get deliveries out as was stated
when she arrived the first time. The possible abdication of her Throne being
bandied about on the net is SMOKE, A RED HERRING, to cover what was really
happening. This involves the British Parliament and is the likely reason why
the press has been excluded from Parliament for the first time since the
late 1600's. This is the reason CHARLES was in the CANADIAN town near the
U.S. a week ago, he was meeting with D.C. Traitors working with OBAMA.
Certain elements of the CANADIAN GOVERNMENT are in on this TREASONOUS PLOT
to overthrow the Sovereignty of The United States. The Plotters are again
saying "the United States Constitution is nothing but a piece of paper".
The U.N., or certain elements thereof, are in on this. How OBAMA, THE
QUEEN, THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT and THE U.N. propose to strip the United
States of its Sovereignty is unknown-yet. WE repeat, PAPERS HAVE BEEN
SIGNED. What is happening is known in the higher circles of Europe. THIS
IS NOT A JOKE. WAKE UP AMERICA.
Here are 2 more interesting pieces of information about Lord Monckton and
the treaty, please read and get educated.
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2009, 10:00:55 AM »

I've been watching the US going through the Prodigal son parable for some time now.

The US is on life support, supported with the support of all the Central Banks. Before you go on a witch hunt, check out the Bank of England's communication of Sept. 12, 2001, in which they opened the window and told the world they would buy all the US Dollars that anyone wanted to sell. The currency did not collapse and the rest is history. The Bank of England in that day was your benefactor.

Now, let's talk about the economic strategy of combining the US with England, Canada and the Commonwealth nations. A new market of over 1.3 billion people for US goods and services. No threat to sovereignty, every body else has their own problems, except China. That one is all of ours collectively. Japanese happy to work with China? Doubt it. Chinese people haven't got over the occupation yet.

What's wrong with the parliamentary system anyway? Its been around for centuries and is a system that has stood the test of time. I can't say the same for the US "Great Experiment". That's what is was, an experiment.
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2009, 10:21:39 AM »

NB, I tend to agree. The more I travel and spend time outside the US, the more I learn about parliamentary government, the more I see HUGE merit compared to what we do.
I was in ther UK for the recent party conventions and listened to the speeches, and I always avail myself to watching the parliament in action, and aside for its entertainment value..its also very very representative. having a plethora of parties that actually all have SOME stake in the game, and the then ability to link up with others because they prioritize issues, and link where they find agreement on high priority, coalitions etc.   i think its great.

here we try to say we have 2 choices. But within each choice they are all over the place, and it also forces them to act one way and govern another. In your system they could be what they are...openly...and if its minority, it gets diluted by the existence of a bunch of other parties.

i like it.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2009, 02:09:59 PM »

NB, I tend to agree. The more I travel and spend time outside the US, the more I learn about parliamentary government, the more I see HUGE merit compared to what we do.
I was in ther UK for the recent party conventions and listened to the speeches, and I always avail myself to watching the parliament in action, and aside for its entertainment value..its also very very representative. having a plethora of parties that actually all have SOME stake in the game, and the then ability to link up with others because they prioritize issues, and link where they find agreement on high priority, coalitions etc.   i think its great.

here we try to say we have 2 choices. But within each choice they are all over the place, and it also forces them to act one way and govern another. In your system they could be what they are...openly...and if its minority, it gets diluted by the existence of a bunch of other parties.

i like it.

Hi Blah Blah.

In my opinion ,a parliamentary system works. Some of the oratory can be down right impressive.

I think at the regional level it could have merits for any country and the system of local councils and other forms of local decision making that go with it don't hurt also. Parliamentary systems also allow for a door number 3, the minority goverment, where the people are saying they don't like to give all the power to anyone of the parties and make them work together. It just a different system I know, but as I said before, it has stood the test of time.
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2009, 02:47:27 PM »

What's wrong with the parliamentary system anyway? Its been around for centuries and is a system that has stood the test of time. I can't say the same for the US "Great Experiment". That's what is was, an experiment.

The only thing wrong with our manner of Constitutional Representative Republic is that our government is not following it and the people have not held their feet to the fire.

If we can get the liberals out of power and return our government back to the founders ideals all our other problems would go away.
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2009, 08:16:15 PM »

So let me get this straight. One person posts an obviously lame attempt at generating irrational fear about the supposed downfall of the US by the end of the year. Then the posters decide that they want to replace our government with a parliamentary system. HA...down with Obama! Go British Parliament! *confused*
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2009, 07:14:33 AM »

Logismos
I am a political conservative but I am with you on this one.  It makes no sense.
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2009, 09:27:35 AM »

What's wrong with the parliamentary system anyway? Its been around for centuries and is a system that has stood the test of time. I can't say the same for the US "Great Experiment". That's what is was, an experiment.


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What's wrong with the parliamentary system anyway?

It's a feudal system of property ownership. In Canada, UK, Australia, etc... the Queen holds Allodial Title to all land or whomever she "grants" allodial ownership.

Allodial Title

Allodial - "Free; not holden of any lord or superior; owned without obligation of vassalage or fealty; the opposite of feudal."

Allodial Title is (was) the heart and sole of the construct of the United States of America.  This is how you hold title to your land, free and clear of any taxes or encumbrances.  The government cannot come onto your land, you are sovereign on your land.  Imagine owning land where you knew, if all went wrong, you could at least go and grow vegetables and survive - this is what the USA is meant to be.

In the Treaty of Paris, which ended the American Revolutionary war, the American people were given their lands in "Allodial Title".  Citizens owned all the property free and clear.  At some point the U.S. government returned the country to the feudal system of property ownership, forcing an obligation to pay duties / tax.


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Wikipedia:

Allodial title is a concept in some systems of property law. It describes a situation where real property (land, buildings and fixtures) is owned free and clear of any encumbrances, including liens, mortgages and tax obligations. Allodial title is inalienable, in that it cannot be taken by any operation of law for any reason whatsoever.

In common legal use, allodial title is used to distinguish absolute ownership of land by individuals from feudal ownership, where property ownership is dependent on relationship to a lord or the sovereign. Webster's first dictionary (1825 ed) says allodium is "land which is absolute property of the owner, real estate held in absolute independence, without being subject to any rent, service, or acknowledgement to a superior. It is thus opposed to feud."

True allodial title is rare, with most property ownership in the common law world—primarily, the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the Republic of Ireland—described more properly as being in fee simple. In particular, land is said to be "held of the Crown" in England and Wales and the Commonwealth realms. In England, there is no allodial land, all land being held of the Crown; even in the United States most lands are not allodial, as evidenced by the existence of property taxes. Some of the Commonwealth realms (particularly Australia) recognise native title, a form of allodial title that does not originate from a Crown grant.

In France, while allodial title existed before the French Revolution, it was rare and limited to ecclesiastical properties and property that had fallen out of feudal ownership. After the French Revolution allodial title became the norm in France and other civil law countries that were under Napoleonic legal influences. Interestingly Quebec adopted a form of allodial title when it abolished feudalism in the mid-nineteenth century making the forms of ownership in Upper and Lower Canada remarkably similar in substance.

Property owned under allodial title is referred to as allodial land, allodium, or an allod.

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A decent video about Allodial Title

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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2009, 09:48:48 AM »

What's wrong with the parliamentary system anyway? Its been around for centuries and is a system that has stood the test of time. I can't say the same for the US "Great Experiment". That's what is was, an experiment.

The only thing wrong with our manner of Constitutional Representative Republic is that our government is not following it and the people have not held their feet to the fire.

If we can get the liberals out of power and return our government back to the founders ideals all our other problems would go away.

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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2009, 09:51:05 AM »

So let me get this straight. One person posts an obviously lame attempt at generating irrational fear about the supposed downfall of the US by the end of the year. Then the posters decide that they want to replace our government with a parliamentary system. HA...down with Obama! Go British Parliament! *confused*

I don't think its in our minds to change the US in any way shape or form. That's up to the People. We're just discussing observations on a system.
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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2009, 10:03:15 AM »

So, it all comes down to property rights and the sovereignty of the individual?Everyone is his / her own King?

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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2009, 01:12:16 PM »

So, it all comes down to property rights and the sovereignty of the individual?Everyone is his / her own King?



 Yes. The way I understand it is you were truly "king of your own castle" and the land it was sitting on. And I truly believe this is what made America "the wonder of the world" where individuals were given sovereign status (as far as Land and property rights).

 But I don't think sovereignty meant "as king of my Land, I hereby make myself the Judicial, Executive, and Legislative authority and I decree Murder shall be lawful on my Land". I don't believe individual sovereignty extended that far.
 
 Although there is a small group of "patriots" out there who believe exactly that...they are the Law of their Land...Really wacked out interpretations of individual sovereignty.

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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2009, 01:54:44 PM »

So, it all comes down to property rights and the sovereignty of the individual?Everyone is his / her own King?



 Yes. The way I understand it is you were truly "king of your own castle" and the land it was sitting on. And I truly believe this is what made America "the wonder of the world" where individuals were given sovereign status (as far as Land and property rights).

 But I don't think sovereignty meant "as king of my Land, I hereby make myself the Judicial, Executive, and Legislative authority and I decree Murder shall be lawful on my Land". I don't believe individual sovereignty extended that far.



 
 Although there is a small group of "patriots" out there who believe exactly that...they are the Law of their Land...Really wacked out interpretations of individual sovereignty.



I think you've hit the nail on the head, the individual interpretation of individual sovereignty.

Who then looks after sovereign issues in the US, I mean this to be issues of national sovereignty....Such as currency, the Banking infrastructure, strategic industries as decided so by the public?
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2009, 05:36:13 PM »

So, it all comes down to property rights and the sovereignty of the individual?Everyone is his / her own King?



 Yes. The way I understand it is you were truly "king of your own castle" and the land it was sitting on. And I truly believe this is what made America "the wonder of the world" where individuals were given sovereign status (as far as Land and property rights).

 But I don't think sovereignty meant "as king of my Land, I hereby make myself the Judicial, Executive, and Legislative authority and I decree Murder shall be lawful on my Land". I don't believe individual sovereignty extended that far.



 
 Although there is a small group of "patriots" out there who believe exactly that...they are the Law of their Land...Really wacked out interpretations of individual sovereignty.



I think you've hit the nail on the head, the individual interpretation of individual sovereignty.

Who then looks after sovereign issues in the US, I mean this to be issues of national sovereignty....Such as currency, the Banking infrastructure, strategic industries as decided so by the public?

 In any CREDITOR/DEBTOR relationship or contract who is calling the shots?

Proverbs says: "The Borrower/DEBTOR is servant to the Lender/CREDITOR".
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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2009, 09:45:31 AM »

So, it all comes down to property rights and the sovereignty of the individual?Everyone is his / her own King?



 Yes. The way I understand it is you were truly "king of your own castle" and the land it was sitting on. And I truly believe this is what made America "the wonder of the world" where individuals were given sovereign status (as far as Land and property rights).

 But I don't think sovereignty meant "as king of my Land, I hereby make myself the Judicial, Executive, and Legislative authority and I decree Murder shall be lawful on my Land". I don't believe individual sovereignty extended that far.



 
 Although there is a small group of "patriots" out there who believe exactly that...they are the Law of their Land...Really wacked out interpretations of individual sovereignty.



I think you've hit the nail on the head, the individual interpretation of individual sovereignty.

Who then looks after sovereign issues in the US, I mean this to be issues of national sovereignty....Such as currency, the Banking infrastructure, strategic industries as decided so by the public?

 In any CREDITOR/DEBTOR relationship or contract who is calling the shots?

Proverbs says: "The Borrower/DEBTOR is servant to the Lender/CREDITOR".

I agree i have to continue this below.
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