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« on: November 03, 2009, 08:08:56 PM »


  Another election?  Say what?

First results coming in are an encouragement for Republicans and a warning to Obama and his socialist policies.

In the race for Governor in Virginia, the Republican pulled a landslide against the Democrat.  Independents, apparently are quite dissatisfied with Obama and the Democrats and turned heavily in favor of the Republican who is pro-life  Clapping up high  It was a sweep for the Republicans, even tho Virginia voted for Obama last year.

Independents are also turning against the Democrats in the N.J. Governor's race and heavily voting in favor of the Republican candidate.  That race is still too close to call.

So, independents, who voted for Obama last year, are now voting against him and his policies.

That should put an end to this socialist health care fiasco.  When threatened of losing their seats in congress, as it appears now many would be if they vote for it, a congressman/woman will vote to preserve their seat...
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 08:20:36 PM »

It will be interesting to see what the turnout is since there is no Obama on the ticket and the only people who are really motivated to vote in Virgina are the Republicans since they suffered a rare defeat there last time.

Here in Iowa the turnout was extremely low. Many counties are reporting around 4% turnout today with only a few high precincts around 20% but most are very very low--of course there is no governor or legislators on the ticket (only local city offices) which makes it not very interesting for most.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 08:22:17 PM »

The reports of the death of conservatism had been greatly exaggerated. Hurry up midterms!!!
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2009, 09:00:55 PM »

It will be interesting to see what the turnout is since there is no Obama on the ticket and the only people who are really motivated to vote in Virgina are the Republicans since they suffered a rare defeat there last time.

That is a false statement...the part I emboldened...

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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2009, 09:26:38 PM »


This is so sweet...


WASHINGTON – Republicans surged to victory in governor's races in Virginia and New Jersey on Tuesday, wresting control from Democrats in both states as independents who swept Barack Obama to a historic 2008 victory broke big for the GOP. It was a troubling sign for the president and his party heading into an important midterm election year.

Conservative Republican Bob McDonnell's victory in the Virginia governor's race over Democrat R. Creigh Deeds and moderate Republican Chris Christie's ouster of unpopular New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine was a double-barreled triumph for a party looking to rebuild after being booted from power in national elections in 2006 and 2008.

Very rare in New Jersey! 

So much for socialism  eek!
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2009, 11:12:15 PM »

Exit polling indicated that voters didn't see election day as a referendum on the President.

Deeds lost first for being a dull campaigner early on and then campaigning as a pseudo-Republican later on: why should Democrats have turned out for him?

Corzine was already unpopular in NJ, and no amount of coat-tailing late on the President helped.

What was supposed to be the acid test for the purists purging the GOP: with over 85% percent of the vote counted, the Democrat, Owens, is winning NY-23, an area not presented by anyone but Republicans in decades.  Even if he ultimately loses to Hoffman, so much for the Palin, Thompson, Club for Growth, Pawlenty, etc. effect. If a purged/purist GOP is your idea of a great idea for 2010 and 2012, this should give you pause.  Gingrich was right before he was swept up in the euphoria over Hoffman: the GOP cannot grow by making their tent smaller.

In Maine, overturning gay marriage may be winning narrowing, but TABOR is losing big.

Bottom line is: be careful that you're not reading into the results what you want to see.
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2009, 11:33:56 PM »

Quote from: chestnutbrowncanary link=topic=39339.msg710642#msg710642

Bottom line is: be careful that you're not reading into the results what you want to see.
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2009, 03:50:25 AM »

And to you  Tipping hat, now that you have put your own spin on the results... Playing guitar

Perhaps so, but my so-called spin is fact-based: (1) Deeds did try to run away from Obama: he didn't draw Republicans, and Democratic voters stayed away. Overall turnout was lower than from last year, and Republicans did a better job of turnout with a better campaigner.

(2) Corzine was already unpopular in NJ and was not polling well throughout the election cycle. The voters confirmed the pre-election surveying.

(3) NY Republicans do not share the recent ideological rigidity of the far rightists who insist they are the base of that party. Hoffman was an outsider, didn't live in the district, and was revealed in debates and interviews as someone unfamiliar with specific issues of concern to NY-23 voters.  Owens lives in the district and would be a Blue Dog Democrat whose fiscal conservatism and specific knowledge of NY-23 issues made him more attractive.  If the NY GOP want to win that seat back, they'll have to run someone who isn't like Hoffman or more like John McHugh before he became Secretary of the Army. Dick Armey and Sarah Palin aren't going to be able to offer anyone from their stable of acolytes.
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2009, 07:44:36 AM »

Of course voters dont LITERALLY vote for a candidate to repudiate the president. Those exit polls ask the wrong question.
Obama wasnt on the ballot. HIS IDEAS WERE! Indirectly, it DOES repudiate Obama because candidates that represent the opposite of him won.
Let this be a clue how this gets spun..."well we asked the voters if they were voting againts Obama and they said no, they were voting for or against the candidates on the ballot"    UM, well, thats specious to explain as not repudiating Obama-ISM. Of course it does.
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2009, 08:01:13 AM »

Obama wasnt on the ballot. HIS IDEAS WERE! Indirectly, it DOES repudiate Obama because candidates that represent the opposite of him won.

Not really, gubernatorial elections are invariably decided on local issues. Now, NY-23, that's a repudiation of Armeyism, Palinism, etc.  The purists threw their weight behind an outsider who was pretty much clueless on district issues, spouted Beckisms as if he were a mannequin, and lost a district parts of which hadn't elected a Democrat since 1850 when the alternative was voting for the Whig candidate.

Now that's a repudiation.
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2009, 10:49:55 AM »

I disagree with pundits who would say that state and local election results do not reflect voter attitude towards Congressional and Administration activities.  Perhaps that should be true, but since 90% of the Democrat's agenda has been about what has been traditionally local issues (health care, education, job growth and unemployment compensation...well just about everything by the war in Afghanistan), local issues are Administration/Congressional issues.

Of course, a win for a conservative candidate for governor could be a two-bladed sword: all these stimulus packages will be dropping money from DC for various make-work projects.

A conservative has the choice of accepting the money, thus, perhaps, compromising his principles, or refuse it, and risk the ire of his constituents, especially if their economy doesn't turn around, or he has to raise taxes.
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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2009, 11:56:15 AM »

Obama wasnt on the ballot. HIS IDEAS WERE! Indirectly, it DOES repudiate Obama because candidates that represent the opposite of him won.

Not really, gubernatorial elections are invariably decided on local issues. Now, NY-23, that's a repudiation of Armeyism, Palinism, etc.  The purists threw their weight behind an outsider who was pretty much clueless on district issues, spouted Beckisms as if he were a mannequin, and lost a district parts of which hadn't elected a Democrat since 1850 when the alternative was voting for the Whig candidate.

Now that's a repudiation.

I'll try again. YES Obamas policies ARE involved in this election. A policy, for example, would be "higher taxes"...that they are levied locally doesnt mean its incongruent with that same issue nationally.

Yep the purist lost, we cannot know how that would have gone had the RNC nominated the right guy to begin with can we? Nope.

Frankly, Id rather have the democrat win than a faux republican. At least we know where we stand. Poseurs are ruining our side.
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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2009, 12:10:03 PM »

I'm curious, what is the explanation for the fact that around 60% of the people polled in these two states said that Obama was not the reason they voted the way they did? Did the Republican in-fighting in New York bbetween the "conservative party" candidate and the moderate Republican candidate cause the Democrat to win? If there is any omen of things to come for republicans I think it can be found in that little incident.

Is the republican party open to someone who believes in total freedom for the individual for both economic freedom AND social freedom? Or does one have to be a conservative Christian to be a republican these days? It seems to me like that's the big question that is yet to be resolved and why there is no real leadership right now in the Republican party.
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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2009, 12:33:38 PM »

The success that the GOP will have in 2010, will be. Because of bad leadership in the Democrat Party, ie, the OPR Trio, (Obama, Pelosi and Reid). The three layered cake of hope for the GOP.
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2009, 01:05:01 PM »

I'm curious, what is the explanation for the fact that around 60% of the people polled in these two states said that Obama was not the reason they voted the way they did? Did the Republican in-fighting in New York bbetween the "conservative party" candidate and the moderate Republican candidate cause the Democrat to win? If there is any omen of things to come for republicans I think it can be found in that little incident.

Is the republican party open to someone who believes in total freedom for the individual for both economic freedom AND social freedom? Or does one have to be a conservative Christian to be a republican these days? It seems to me like that's the big question that is yet to be resolved and why there is no real leadership right now in the Republican party.

I answered this above. its policy...not LITERALY voting FOR or AGAINST Obama. Id like to give the voters more credit.

The ISSUES they voted coincide less with Obama, than with the GOP. Therefore, it repudiates his march leftward.

Why are libs so inclined to deny this? Fear?
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