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« Reply #35 on: Thu Sep 02, 2010 - 02:03:56 »
Actually I am not confused. The Muslim's God is not the same as Jehovah. Or Jehovah is schizophrenic. It plays well to the masses for them to claim that though.

I am shocked you don't know the difference here........

Mormons are not Christian..... PERIOD!!!!

No more than a JW or any other cultist.........

Muslims are ppl of the book............  WHile I disagree w/ their teachings & beliefs they non the less believe in one God, the God of Abraham..........  The mormans.............????

IT IS NOT THE GOD OF ABRAHAM..........  What else needs to be said on that????????

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« Reply #36 on: Thu Sep 02, 2010 - 05:50:26 »
No the Islam God Allah is not the same God as Jehovah. Not just because he has a different name, but subtley different characteristics. The counterfeit must look a lot like the real. Allah is one god, but not Jehovah. The God of the Bible is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The God of the Koran is the God of Abraham, Issac and Ishmael. Close but no cigar. A counterfeit 100 dollar bill will look an awful lot like a real one. Only discerning eyes can see the difference. The Bible clearly points to and prophecies and tells about God that has a Son. The Koran clearly poo poos the notion. Jesus is the son of God or he is a liar, a liar can't be a good prophet. Granted the Jews missed this also, but their Holy Book was clear, they just missed it. They were given a spirit of stupor and blindness (Romans 11). etc, etc. Under Islam, a passport to Heaven is based on a continuous effort based on good deeds to other Muslims, but not to infidels. The exception is that of a Muslim who dies in Jihad, or Holy War against infidels! If killed fighting infidels, he then proceeds directly to Heaven, regardless of his worldly conduct. Christians aspire to Heaven based on an acceptance that Jesus is the Son of God; good works are secondary. Sort of similar if you read real fast, but again, no cigar.

I don't disagree on the Mormon god. If I thought Beck was pushing the Mormon God, I would be with ya. I haven't heard anything about him pushing the Mormon's God. If he does, let's nail him!
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« Reply #37 on: Thu Sep 02, 2010 - 14:19:00 »
we can leave the Muslim God for another debate.............  ::nodding::


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I don't disagree on the Mormon god. If I thought Beck was pushing the Mormon God, I would be with ya. I haven't heard anything about him pushing the Mormon's God. If he does, let's nail him!


Of course he is not gonna push the morman gawd.............  ::idea::

Kolob, sex w/ thousands of wives out there in space & all that.........

What he is doing is called fronting- he is pretending, wrapping, cushioning his lingO in christian speak............

If it was a Hindu using those terms it would probably be more apparent but because mormans use the name of Jesus & divine etc it cloaks........ The fact that it does not mean the same thing (Jesus & satan are brothers, sons of god, born on kolob)......

He is preaching another gospel, another jesus........... Because he sounds nice & talks about our founding fathers & all that means squat..........




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« Reply #38 on: Thu Sep 02, 2010 - 15:21:18 »
I watched most of his event in DC & his interview on fox after & I must say that pastor beck put on a good show...........

 I guess many of the ignorant folks that really have no idea what he is saying, found it entertaining........ ::tippinghat::

What does this say for Christianity??

What does it say for America??



Glenn Beck has been covertly bringing in Mormon teachings to his shows.  For instance, one segment right out of the Mormon pseudo-archaeology book dealt with the possibility that our Native American Indians wrote in Hebrew and may have been descended from the Jews.  Furthermore, he brought up debunked artifacts like that Bat Creed Stone and the Newark Holy Stones, long ago dismissed as hoaxes by experts.  For the most part, however, Beck's viewers wouldn't know the Bat Creek Stone from a bat, and certainly would be unaware that the bogus, Book of Mormon, teaches that Hebrews migrated to the Americas in ships and submarine-like vessels.

The "White Horse Prophecy" of the Mormons teaches that at a time when the US Constitution is hanging by a thread, the Mormon elders will save it.  Does Beck not see himself in this role?  He promotes a "universalist" view of God, saying he doesn't care what God you pray to.  But, the True God, the Holy Trinity, certainly does care.  Many Christian pastors, priests and Jewish rabbis and Muslim Imams have joined Beck's "black robe regiment."  I wonder if these religious leaders realize that by supporting Beck (even politically), they lend credence to his belief system?

I think Beck means well, and really has our country's destiny at heart - however, he also has a parallel agenda, and that is to promote the Mormon belief system and the Mormon view of history.  Most folks won't realize it, and many, I'm sure, will be drawn to Mormonism thinking it is simply another Protestant denomination.

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« Reply #39 on: Thu Sep 02, 2010 - 15:45:54 »
Frank, so the Mormons have their own version of Taqiyyah?!

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« Reply #40 on: Thu Sep 02, 2010 - 16:13:59 »
Glenn beck doesn't know anymore than what he has been taught.  (sounds familiar)   He isn't an ordained Elder or whatever their sanctioned leadership is called.

How can he be an elder since he isn't in his late teens or early twenties and rides around town on a bicycle wearing a white shirt.  At least, that's what I see of guys with name tags saying they are elders.

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« Reply #41 on: Thu Sep 02, 2010 - 16:18:55 »
The fact that it does not mean the same thing (Jesus & satan are brothers, sons of god, born on kolob)......


I've never heard of Kolob.  Is that near Krypton or The Land of A Thousand Dances?

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« Reply #42 on: Thu Sep 02, 2010 - 19:15:38 »
I watched most of his event in DC & his interview on fox after & I must say that pastor beck put on a good show...........

 I guess many of the ignorant folks that really have no idea what he is saying, found it entertaining........ ::tippinghat::

What does this say for Christianity??

What does it say for America??



Glenn Beck has been covertly bringing in Mormon teachings to his shows.  For instance, one segment right out of the Mormon pseudo-archaeology book dealt with the possibility that our Native American Indians wrote in Hebrew and may have been descended from the Jews.  Furthermore, he brought up debunked artifacts like that Bat Creed Stone and the Newark Holy Stones, long ago dismissed as hoaxes by experts.  For the most part, however, Beck's viewers wouldn't know the Bat Creek Stone from a bat, and certainly would be unaware that the bogus, Book of Mormon, teaches that Hebrews migrated to the Americas in ships and submarine-like vessels.

The "White Horse Prophecy" of the Mormons teaches that at a time when the US Constitution is hanging by a thread, the Mormon elders will save it.  Does Beck not see himself in this role?  He promotes a "universalist" view of God, saying he doesn't care what God you pray to.  But, the True God, the Holy Trinity, certainly does care.  Many Christian pastors, priests and Jewish rabbis and Muslim Imams have joined Beck's "black robe regiment."  I wonder if these religious leaders realize that by supporting Beck (even politically), they lend credence to his belief system?

I think Beck means well, and really has our country's destiny at heart - however, he also has a parallel agenda, and that is to promote the Mormon belief system and the Mormon view of history.  Most folks won't realize it, and many, I'm sure, will be drawn to Mormonism thinking it is simply another Protestant denomination.

Welcome board.............  ::nodding:: ::smile::

Great points & insight.........  I agree

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« Reply #43 on: Thu Sep 02, 2010 - 19:16:40 »
Frank, so the Mormons have their own version of Taqiyyah?!

I don't know what that is................

If by that you mean god then yea........

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« Reply #44 on: Thu Sep 02, 2010 - 19:25:04 »
Frank, so the Mormons have their own version of Taqiyyah?!

I don't know what that is................

If by that you mean god then yea........

Taqiyyah is the Muslim concept of lying being OK to further Islam. I was asking if Mormonism haas such a concept?

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« Reply #45 on: Thu Sep 02, 2010 - 19:25:49 »
The fact that it does not mean the same thing (Jesus & satan are brothers, sons of god, born on kolob)......





I've never heard of Kolob.  Is that near Krypton or The Land of A Thousand Dances?


Yes it is around there somewhere........ 

It is where he houses all his wives & kids.. 

SO if in the area beware of all those waving virgins, that is the mooslum planet, just keep going till you see lots of young males on bikes..........  ::whistle::

Detail of Joseph Smith Hypocephalus, which according to Joseph Smith, Jr. contains a representation of Kolob (reference numeral 1). According to Egyptologists, this depicts an Egyptian creation god.

In Mormonism, Kolob is a star or planet mentioned in the Book of Abraham as the one nearest to the throne or residence of God. Mention of a celestial body by that name is found in the Book of Abraham, which is canonized by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Mormon fundamentalist organizations, the Restoration Church of Jesus Christ, and other Brighamite Latter Day Saint denominations. While the Book of Abraham refers to Kolob as a "star",[1] it also refers to planets as stars,[2] and therefore, some Mormon commentators consider Kolob to be a planet.[3]

Kolob is rarely discussed in modern Mormon religious contexts, but it is periodically a topic of discussion in Mormon apologetics. The idea also appears within Mormon culture, and a Mormon hymn treats the subject. Kolob is also the inspiration for the planet Kobol within the Battlestar Galactica universe, created by Glen A. Larson, a Mormon.[4]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob

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« Reply #46 on: Tue Sep 07, 2010 - 18:13:00 »
Anyone who has dealt with Mormons for a period know that Mormons lie through their teeth in order to not get caught in something false, or else to cover up an inconsistency.

that is not being pejorative, but accurate as those who posted in several LDS forums will attest to.

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For those who are pro-Beck:

Please think for one moment.

If Beck was a Muslim, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you?

If Beck was a Hindu, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you?

If Beck was a Bahai, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you?

If Beck was a Rastafarian, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you join him smoking a joint?

Obviously, your answer would be "No, thank you." in each of the above cases. WHY should it be different if a Mormon asks you to pray with him?

You see, if you were to examine that position in quotes above, it is necessary to conclude that there is somehow a congruency, an equality of belief with Mormonism, and Christianity. I do not think that you actually believe that, but maintain authenticity of Christianity, it is necessary that anyone who prays with another does so on the basis of equality of belief. That is why it is no big problem for a Baptist to pray with a Methodist, or a Roman Catholic, or a Reformed Episcopalian. The reason for that is that all those denominations share the same beliefs as outlined in the Ecumenical Creeds.

None of the other religions mentioned above on the questions can agree ANY to the Ecumenical Creeds. That is the gigantic hole in that position many seem to take when they support him.

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« Reply #47 on: Tue Sep 07, 2010 - 18:44:59 »

For those who are pro-Beck:

Please think for one moment.

If Beck was a Muslim, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you?

If Beck was a Hindu, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you?

If Beck was a Bahai, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you?

If Beck was a Rastafarian, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you join him smoking a joint?

Obviously, your answer would be "No, thank you." in each of the above cases. WHY should it be different if a Mormon asks you to pray with him?


Interesting post John T. On this forum I no longer assume anything concerning Glen Beck. It's evident according to Mormon doctrine he cannot believe the same things those Christian denominations you mention believe, yet his such professed righteous life where God owes him miracles and pays him off accordingly has made him somewhat of a hero here but what does that matter? Could some follow him into hell as the means to listen to his great plan for this country? Not only do I believe they could but would because he is just so wonderful and has all the answers of our salvation. Yea Beck, yea Beck should be the new call to arms against all not thinking as he does in this country. In the words of an enduring call against any not in sympathy with him, they must be pinheads.  ::smile::

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« Reply #48 on: Tue Sep 07, 2010 - 22:53:34 »
This could be interesting to watch. I don't discount the idea that the association with mainstream Christian voices in this effort could lead Beck away from Mormonism. One thing I will say about him--and the weird thing is that I basically like him and used to listen to him a lot--is that I think he's pretty open and honest.

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« Reply #49 on: Wed Sep 08, 2010 - 08:19:53 »
I don't think the urgency is to bring Beck to mainstream Christianity, but to bring this country's people back to God. If that is accomplished by a Mormon, I have no problem, as long as that Mormon doesn't drag the rest of us into Mormonism. I would not be upset if Beck was a Muslim making a call for the country to get back to God. Of course I would if he said HIS God. A generic call to get back to God is a worthy thing.

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« Reply #50 on: Wed Sep 08, 2010 - 09:01:31 »
Out of curiousity, around what year was this country with God?

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« Reply #51 on: Wed Sep 08, 2010 - 09:16:22 »
It's relative. Can we ever get totally away from God, and can we ever totally arrive at God? I would say we are prob ably about as far away as we have been as a nation.

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« Reply #52 on: Wed Sep 08, 2010 - 09:18:47 »
Direction of the journey is all important, not necessarily the arrival at the destination. (If we could reach it at all).

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« Reply #53 on: Wed Sep 08, 2010 - 09:27:54 »
It's relative. Can we ever get totally away from God, and can we ever totally arrive at God? I would say we are prob ably about as far away as we have been as a nation.

I tend to think we were further away when we were treating women like property, enslaving blacks, and killing Indians to take their land.

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« Reply #54 on: Wed Sep 08, 2010 - 09:52:32 »
That's a valid point. No doubt some societal sins have been cured, but dependence on God seems to be further and further marginalized.

Still even if the good ol days weren't the good ol days, a call for a nation to turn to God is not a waste. Unless humanism is now our God.

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« Reply #55 on: Wed Sep 08, 2010 - 10:07:16 »

For those who are pro-Beck:

Please think for one moment.

If Beck was a Muslim, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you?

If Beck was a Hindu, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you?

If Beck was a Bahai, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you?

If Beck was a Rastafarian, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you join him smoking a joint?

Obviously, your answer would be "No, thank you." in each of the above cases. WHY should it be different if a Mormon asks you to pray with him?


Interesting post John T. On this forum I no longer assume anything concerning Glen Beck. It's evident according to Mormon doctrine he cannot believe the same things those Christian denominations you mention believe, yet his such professed righteous life where God owes him miracles and pays him off accordingly has made him somewhat of a hero here but what does that matter? Could some follow him into hell as the means to listen to his great plan for this country? Not only do I believe they could but would because he is just so wonderful and has all the answers of our salvation. Yea Beck, yea Beck should be the new call to arms against all not thinking as he does in this country. In the words of an enduring call against any not in sympathy with him, they must be pinheads.  ::smile::

"Could some follow him into hell..... "

It is interesting that you have determined his fate.  If I made the same comments about those who believe in "Faith Alone" or Premillennialism" might I expect you to take issue?

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« Reply #56 on: Wed Sep 08, 2010 - 10:14:25 »
The hydro-phobic musicators would definitely fall in that category. ;-)

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« Reply #57 on: Wed Sep 08, 2010 - 11:01:04 »
It's relative. Can we ever get totally away from God, and can we ever totally arrive at God? I would say we are prob ably about as far away as we have been as a nation.

I tend to think we were further away when we were treating women like property, enslaving blacks, and killing Indians to take their land.


Were we?  Or have we just been led to swap out those sins/wrong actions with others like abortion, materialism and the promotion of sexual perversion?

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« Reply #58 on: Wed Sep 08, 2010 - 11:19:22 »
I think the latter two were pretty much there earlier as well, given that slavery existed to prop up the southern economy and a ridiculous number of slave-owners had children with their slaves. I haven't researched it, but anecdotally, abortions in the antebellum south (and north as well, no doubt, though this would have been harder to hide in an urban society than a rural one) were pretty much winked at.

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« Reply #59 on: Wed Sep 08, 2010 - 11:23:22 »
I don't think the urgency is to bring Beck to mainstream Christianity, but to bring this country's people back to God. If that is accomplished by a Mormon, I have no problem, as long as that Mormon doesn't drag the rest of us into Mormonism. I would not be upset if Beck was a Muslim making a call for the country to get back to God. Of course I would if he said HIS God. A generic call to get back to God is a worthy thing.

God is a good thing...but; the Cross of Jesus is our countries only hope.  Mormans dismiss the cross; and rely on their moral filth...their own spiritual whiteness.  Leading the country down a road away from our Lord; is a sad thing...but, as Christians...we must hold on to the cross as our Redemption...and the only way for us to get back into communion with God.  

Our nation is falling apart because the cross of Christ is no longer visable.  To many are ashamed...a very sad thing.




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« Reply #60 on: Wed Sep 08, 2010 - 11:24:07 »


For those who are pro-Beck:

Please think for one moment.

If Beck was a Muslim, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you?

If Beck was a Hindu, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you?

If Beck was a Bahai, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you?

If Beck was a Rastafarian, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you join him smoking a joint?

Obviously, your answer would be "No, thank you." in each of the above cases. WHY should it be different if a Mormon asks you to pray with him?



Interesting post John T. On this forum I no longer assume anything concerning Glen Beck. It's evident according to Mormon doctrine he cannot believe the same things those Christian denominations you mention believe, yet his such professed righteous life where God owes him miracles and pays him off accordingly has made him somewhat of a hero here but what does that matter? Could some follow him into hell as the means to listen to his great plan for this country? Not only do I believe they could but would because he is just so wonderful and has all the answers of our salvation. Yea Beck, yea Beck should be the new call to arms against all not thinking as he does in this country. In the words of an enduring call against any not in sympathy with him, they must be pinheads.  ::smile::


"Could some follow him into hell..... "

It is interesting that you have determined his fate.  If I made the same comments about those who believe in "Faith Alone" or Premillennialism" might I expect you to take issue?



With the context of the post by John T, and the fact I believe there are some going to hell, there is the possibility we can follow a Satanist or other one into any other of the religions that are not of God. A person not saved could very well at that time be led into a works based religion instead of Christ as their means of salvation. I do also believe the coming antichrist will have all the right answers for the seemingly deliverance of the problems people are facing and will get a following.

Of course those who might sin and no longer be able to repent, or those that can jump out of Jesus' hand may be at risk also if there is such a thing.  ::smile::

Taking issue is not the issue concerning a person's salvation; that is God's business, but I do know if a Satanist would ask me to pray with them to their god I would have cause to say no. Would I vote for a Satanist to be our president? No. Would I follow anything they had to say? No or at least not knowingly.

I do remember a story of a woman that could never say anything but good of all she apprised. Asked what she thought of Satan she replied; he's always on the job. It appears as a nation we're willing to make a grab at any straw.

My thoughts.
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« Reply #61 on: Wed Sep 08, 2010 - 13:05:50 »
It's relative. Can we ever get totally away from God, and can we ever totally arrive at God? I would say we are prob ably about as far away as we have been as a nation.


I tend to think we were further away when we were treating women like property, enslaving blacks, and killing Indians to take their land.



Were we?  Or have we just been led to swap out those sins/wrong actions with others like abortion, materialism and the promotion of sexual perversion?


I just found this about 19th Century abortions:

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By 1858, the cost of an abortion ranged from $25 to over $100, an exorbitant price for any working woman earning $3-4 a week. In addition, abortions could be dangerous when performed by a quack, the medical science was still in its infancy, and the procedure was increasingly frowned upon by traditionally-minded physicians, not to mention religious and conservative figures.

States began to make the practice of abortion a crime following an 1858 campaign by the American Medical Association; it was successful and abortion was outlawed in most states by 1890. Physicians also opposed contraception methods on the grounds that they violated the natural purpose of sexuality and a woman's role as child-bearer and mother. They said that any sexual intercourse in which conception was prevented was tantamount to prostitution.


Interesting that abortion was actually legal until just before the Civil War.

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« Reply #63 on: Wed Sep 08, 2010 - 19:47:33 »
I just read this article on Relevant's website. It was originally posted on the blog of a dean at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Here's an excerpt:

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Mormonism and Mammonism are contrary to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. They offer another Lord Jesus than the One offered in the Scriptures and Christian tradition, and another way to approach Him. An embrace of these tragic new vehicles for the old Gnostic heresy is unloving to our Mormon friends and secularist neighbors, and to the rest of the watching world. Any “revival

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« Reply #64 on: Wed Sep 08, 2010 - 19:50:36 »
Just realized why the above article seemed so familiar; it's already been linked to and quoted on this thread. Still a good reminder. Let's not sell out Christianity for political gain.

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Re: glenn beck-mormon evangelical??
« Reply #65 on: Wed Sep 08, 2010 - 23:29:31 »
I watched the whole rally and all I heard from anyone was to get back to your good values and restore honor to our country. I heard no particular denomination mentioned or any preaching of any sort that would sway anyone to change their faith. Beck is a good man, a family man, and even if he doesn't suit your idea of someone who could lead the country back to their faith and the founding fathers, give him at least a little credit for trying in his own way to do something good. What are you doing to restore honor to our country? I for one, felt uplifted by the day and I believe anyone there did too.
It was a good day and not meant to lead anyone astray and I don't believe it did. Why do we always have to find a way to bring a good thing down? I would not be happy if Billy Graham did what Glenn Beck did, because I think he is just as wrong in what he believes as Glenn Beck. So, just because he doesn't hold the same doctrine you do does not mean, he did not do a good thing for the country. He is a work in progress, just as we all are. You may not be as saved as you think you are, either. I'm just saying...........

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Re: glenn beck-morman evangelical??
« Reply #66 on: Wed Sep 08, 2010 - 23:49:00 »
My reading of the Bible tells me that the way we view Jesus is paramount, and there lies the difference. Billy Graham might disagree with me on a few doctrinal points; a Mormon disagrees with me on the identity of the One who is my salvation.

You can't compare the two things. And before Beck, few on the right would have tried.

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Re: glenn beck-morman evangelical??
« Reply #67 on: Thu Sep 09, 2010 - 11:59:22 »
A few thoughts on all this discussion:

Do I agree with Mormonism's theology of Christ? Not at all.

But in my work as a hospice chaplain, I get to talk one-on-one with a LOT of people who are facing death and are willing to talk about their faith. Many of them -- who belong to churches I disagree with and CULTS that I disagree with (cults = differing/errant teachings about Christ) don't really get into a lot if the nitty-gritty of what their church (or Mormon leaders) teach, but do affirm to me that they trust in Christ for their forgiveness, believe that He is the Son of God, that He died for their sins and rose again, and that they have humbly asked His forgiveness. I don't think God will judge them based on their church/cult membership, but on their heart of repentance and faith.

I also have patients that think they need to do extra things to help them get to heaven, but humbly trust in and know they need Christ's sacrifice and forgiveness. Might these not be true believers who are simply not well taught, or taught confusing things?

Is Glenn Beck doing something right in calling for honor and integrity and faith in our country? Yes. Can God use him whether he might be a true Christian or not? Yes, of course.

I do believe we need to be discerning, but I don't think we need to bash Glenn Beck or assume we know his heart. I think we can just be gracious, acknowledge what's right in Glenn's rally, and not feel we have to force him to completely fit into any one category.

The Pharisees had God all figured out as far as what categories and "boxes" were necessary to fit into God's program. And Christ kept being found outside those boxes. The Pharisees had a fit over this, and ultimately and righteously crucified the Son of God as a fraud. Big mistake.

Might we sometimes apply the same kind of categorical thinking a little too quickly? I've studied the Pharisees and Jesus' encounters with them for many years, and I think we can too easily become like them!

Wayne Hobbes
Author of "The Pharisee within Me"

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Re: glenn beck-morman evangelical??
« Reply #68 on: Thu Sep 09, 2010 - 12:06:16 »
 ::amen::

Wayno, I admit I used to be much more pharisaical than I am now, and I used to dismiss anything good anyone might do or say if they didn't agree with my doctrine or theology. I think Glen Beck or even a Mormon with a liberal idealogy can do and say things of benefit to us as a country and a people.

My parents were Democrats but adamantly anti JFK because he was Catholic, and looking back that was not reasonable. Of course my dad was even more anti LBJ because LBJ was a pure horses butt. Even with my dad's disdain for JFK, the day of his assasination, I remember as a fourth grader coming home to our farm house in West Texas and my dad coming in off the tractor that day, he opened the door and saw the news on TV and muttered, "That blankety blank LBJ," presuming that LBJ had something to do with JFK's death.

Beginning in the 64 election, my parents became Republicans.

I have wondered what my parents or myself for that matter would do if Romney, a Mormon, got the Republican nomination someday.
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Re: glenn beck-morman evangelical??
« Reply #69 on: Thu Sep 09, 2010 - 12:14:03 »
So, are you guys who are so accepting of Mormons ready to apologize to Serenity yet?


fwiw, I'm not saying that all Mormons are headed for the gaping maw; I'm questioning why the right is suddenly finding them acceptable.

 

     
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