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« Reply #60 on: September 08, 2010, 10:24:07 AM »


For those who are pro-Beck:

Please think for one moment.

If Beck was a Muslim, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you?

If Beck was a Hindu, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you?

If Beck was a Bahai, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you?

If Beck was a Rastafarian, and he asked you to pray with him to god, would you join him smoking a joint?

Obviously, your answer would be "No, thank you." in each of the above cases. WHY should it be different if a Mormon asks you to pray with him?



Interesting post John T. On this forum I no longer assume anything concerning Glen Beck. It's evident according to Mormon doctrine he cannot believe the same things those Christian denominations you mention believe, yet his such professed righteous life where God owes him miracles and pays him off accordingly has made him somewhat of a hero here but what does that matter? Could some follow him into hell as the means to listen to his great plan for this country? Not only do I believe they could but would because he is just so wonderful and has all the answers of our salvation. Yea Beck, yea Beck should be the new call to arms against all not thinking as he does in this country. In the words of an enduring call against any not in sympathy with him, they must be pinheads.  ::smile::


"Could some follow him into hell..... "

It is interesting that you have determined his fate.  If I made the same comments about those who believe in "Faith Alone" or Premillennialism" might I expect you to take issue?



With the context of the post by John T, and the fact I believe there are some going to hell, there is the possibility we can follow a Satanist or other one into any other of the religions that are not of God. A person not saved could very well at that time be led into a works based religion instead of Christ as their means of salvation. I do also believe the coming antichrist will have all the right answers for the seemingly deliverance of the problems people are facing and will get a following.

Of course those who might sin and no longer be able to repent, or those that can jump out of Jesus' hand may be at risk also if there is such a thing.  ::smile::

Taking issue is not the issue concerning a person's salvation; that is God's business, but I do know if a Satanist would ask me to pray with them to their god I would have cause to say no. Would I vote for a Satanist to be our president? No. Would I follow anything they had to say? No or at least not knowingly.

I do remember a story of a woman that could never say anything but good of all she apprised. Asked what she thought of Satan she replied; he's always on the job. It appears as a nation we're willing to make a grab at any straw.

My thoughts.
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« Reply #61 on: September 08, 2010, 12:05:50 PM »
It's relative. Can we ever get totally away from God, and can we ever totally arrive at God? I would say we are prob ably about as far away as we have been as a nation.


I tend to think we were further away when we were treating women like property, enslaving blacks, and killing Indians to take their land.



Were we?  Or have we just been led to swap out those sins/wrong actions with others like abortion, materialism and the promotion of sexual perversion?


I just found this about 19th Century abortions:

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By 1858, the cost of an abortion ranged from $25 to over $100, an exorbitant price for any working woman earning $3-4 a week. In addition, abortions could be dangerous when performed by a quack, the medical science was still in its infancy, and the procedure was increasingly frowned upon by traditionally-minded physicians, not to mention religious and conservative figures.

States began to make the practice of abortion a crime following an 1858 campaign by the American Medical Association; it was successful and abortion was outlawed in most states by 1890. Physicians also opposed contraception methods on the grounds that they violated the natural purpose of sexuality and a woman's role as child-bearer and mother. They said that any sexual intercourse in which conception was prevented was tantamount to prostitution.


Interesting that abortion was actually legal until just before the Civil War.

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« Reply #63 on: September 08, 2010, 06:47:33 PM »
I just read this article on Relevant's website. It was originally posted on the blog of a dean at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Here's an excerpt:

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Mormonism and Mammonism are contrary to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. They offer another Lord Jesus than the One offered in the Scriptures and Christian tradition, and another way to approach Him. An embrace of these tragic new vehicles for the old Gnostic heresy is unloving to our Mormon friends and secularist neighbors, and to the rest of the watching world. Any “revival

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« Reply #64 on: September 08, 2010, 06:50:36 PM »
Just realized why the above article seemed so familiar; it's already been linked to and quoted on this thread. Still a good reminder. Let's not sell out Christianity for political gain.

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« Reply #65 on: September 08, 2010, 10:29:31 PM »
I watched the whole rally and all I heard from anyone was to get back to your good values and restore honor to our country. I heard no particular denomination mentioned or any preaching of any sort that would sway anyone to change their faith. Beck is a good man, a family man, and even if he doesn't suit your idea of someone who could lead the country back to their faith and the founding fathers, give him at least a little credit for trying in his own way to do something good. What are you doing to restore honor to our country? I for one, felt uplifted by the day and I believe anyone there did too.
It was a good day and not meant to lead anyone astray and I don't believe it did. Why do we always have to find a way to bring a good thing down? I would not be happy if Billy Graham did what Glenn Beck did, because I think he is just as wrong in what he believes as Glenn Beck. So, just because he doesn't hold the same doctrine you do does not mean, he did not do a good thing for the country. He is a work in progress, just as we all are. You may not be as saved as you think you are, either. I'm just saying...........

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« Reply #66 on: September 08, 2010, 10:49:00 PM »
My reading of the Bible tells me that the way we view Jesus is paramount, and there lies the difference. Billy Graham might disagree with me on a few doctrinal points; a Mormon disagrees with me on the identity of the One who is my salvation.

You can't compare the two things. And before Beck, few on the right would have tried.

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« Reply #67 on: September 09, 2010, 10:59:22 AM »
A few thoughts on all this discussion:

Do I agree with Mormonism's theology of Christ? Not at all.

But in my work as a hospice chaplain, I get to talk one-on-one with a LOT of people who are facing death and are willing to talk about their faith. Many of them -- who belong to churches I disagree with and CULTS that I disagree with (cults = differing/errant teachings about Christ) don't really get into a lot if the nitty-gritty of what their church (or Mormon leaders) teach, but do affirm to me that they trust in Christ for their forgiveness, believe that He is the Son of God, that He died for their sins and rose again, and that they have humbly asked His forgiveness. I don't think God will judge them based on their church/cult membership, but on their heart of repentance and faith.

I also have patients that think they need to do extra things to help them get to heaven, but humbly trust in and know they need Christ's sacrifice and forgiveness. Might these not be true believers who are simply not well taught, or taught confusing things?

Is Glenn Beck doing something right in calling for honor and integrity and faith in our country? Yes. Can God use him whether he might be a true Christian or not? Yes, of course.

I do believe we need to be discerning, but I don't think we need to bash Glenn Beck or assume we know his heart. I think we can just be gracious, acknowledge what's right in Glenn's rally, and not feel we have to force him to completely fit into any one category.

The Pharisees had God all figured out as far as what categories and "boxes" were necessary to fit into God's program. And Christ kept being found outside those boxes. The Pharisees had a fit over this, and ultimately and righteously crucified the Son of God as a fraud. Big mistake.

Might we sometimes apply the same kind of categorical thinking a little too quickly? I've studied the Pharisees and Jesus' encounters with them for many years, and I think we can too easily become like them!

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« Reply #68 on: September 09, 2010, 11:06:16 AM »
 ::amen::

Wayno, I admit I used to be much more pharisaical than I am now, and I used to dismiss anything good anyone might do or say if they didn't agree with my doctrine or theology. I think Glen Beck or even a Mormon with a liberal idealogy can do and say things of benefit to us as a country and a people.

My parents were Democrats but adamantly anti JFK because he was Catholic, and looking back that was not reasonable. Of course my dad was even more anti LBJ because LBJ was a pure horses butt. Even with my dad's disdain for JFK, the day of his assasination, I remember as a fourth grader coming home to our farm house in West Texas and my dad coming in off the tractor that day, he opened the door and saw the news on TV and muttered, "That blankety blank LBJ," presuming that LBJ had something to do with JFK's death.

Beginning in the 64 election, my parents became Republicans.

I have wondered what my parents or myself for that matter would do if Romney, a Mormon, got the Republican nomination someday.
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« Reply #69 on: September 09, 2010, 11:14:03 AM »
So, are you guys who are so accepting of Mormons ready to apologize to Serenity yet?


fwiw, I'm not saying that all Mormons are headed for the gaping maw; I'm questioning why the right is suddenly finding them acceptable.

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« Reply #70 on: September 09, 2010, 11:19:07 AM »
So, are you guys who are so accepting of Mormons ready to apologize to Serenity yet?


fwiw, I'm not saying that all Mormons are headed for the gaping maw; I'm questioning why the right is suddenly finding them acceptable.

What about Serenity?

I don't see the right saying Mormons are acceptable in their religion, but are you saying they are incapable of saying or inspiring anything good, since the Mormon in question is a knuckle dragging conservative?

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« Reply #71 on: September 09, 2010, 11:44:39 AM »

Might we sometimes apply the same kind of categorical thinking a little too quickly? I've studied the Pharisees and Jesus' encounters with them for many years, and I think we can too easily become like them!


Dear Wayno, I do believe the following scripture regardless of one's doctrine.

Romans 10:13  For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 10:14  How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?   

Is it needful they follow my understanding of doing that? Not in my opinion but at the same time a doctrine that believes God started of as just a man as we are, they can become a god, and that Satan was Jesus' brother give rise to ask who they really believe God is.

Theirs is a salvation of works and am I to believe or take their word for it that they are praying as one in Christ born of God? Can I and a Jew pray together and enter God's throne of grace to obtain mercy and grace in our time of need? How do we being unequally yoked unite together to approach God? We can't or does that Jew go to God in Jesus' name? We read in Amos 3:3  Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

My thoughts.

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« Reply #72 on: September 09, 2010, 11:56:29 AM »
So, are you guys who are so accepting of Mormons ready to apologize to Serenity yet?


fwiw, I'm not saying that all Mormons are headed for the gaping maw; I'm questioning why the right is suddenly finding them acceptable.

What about Serenity?

I don't see the right saying Mormons are acceptable in their religion, but are you saying they are incapable of saying or inspiring anything good, since the Mormon in question is a knuckle dragging conservative?

Serenity takes all kinds of grief for not condemning people who do good, even if they don't have things on straight. Some who are now so accepting of Beck have been among those who have attacked her for this. Not you, but some.

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« Reply #73 on: September 09, 2010, 11:58:36 AM »
btw, for those who come from an RM background, Mormon understanding of baptism is very close to ours, likely because of Sidney Rigdon's influence. I have an uncle who's a Mormon, and I think this familiarity helped draw him in.

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« Reply #74 on: September 09, 2010, 11:59:54 AM »
So, are you guys who are so accepting of Mormons ready to apologize to Serenity yet?


fwiw, I'm not saying that all Mormons are headed for the gaping maw; I'm questioning why the right is suddenly finding them acceptable.

What about Serenity?

I don't see the right saying Mormons are acceptable in their religion, but are you saying they are incapable of saying or inspiring anything good, since the Mormon in question is a knuckle dragging conservative?

Serenity takes all kinds of grief for not condemning people who do good, even if they don't have things on straight. Some who are now so accepting of Beck have been among those who have attacked her for this. Not you, but some.

Serenity's whole point has been, that people can't do good unless they ARE Christians or partakers of the Holy Spirit somehow, whether they are believers or not. I still disagree with that.