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I was unaware that Duke supported Paul.  TO me that is like Amidinajad saying Hitler was a great guy. Big deal. They are both wrong. 

So are Duke and Paul.

I was unaware that Duke supported Paul.  TO me that is like Amidinajad saying Hitler was a great guy. Big deal. They are both wrong. 

So are Duke and Paul.

As Captain Shays pointed out, by your logic you could be in league with Charles Manson.

Point is your logic and comparisons are faulty.

Good one Jimmy! 

John - No I do not think we should stay home and unplug from the system.  That is the last thing we should do. 

But we should be PAINFULLY aware that the platforms of both parties contain unbiblical principles and that almost every politician is much less than we would want.

We should be in there to change the system of BOTH PARTIES to be more biblical.

How is that going to change the minds of the entrenched folks in Congress that are pro-choice? Most voters with sense know what it takes to get something DONE about abortion. It takes a sufficient majority to overcome a fillibuster and a sufficient majority to overcome a Presidential veto when a Dem is in that office. It isn't an issue of stomping our feet and grinding congress to a halt unsuccessfully. The Constitution defined exactly how these things should be addressed. We could amend the constiitution to change the rules, but of course that is even more difficult, for a reason. It's about working within the system to correct something that was fostered within the system. It's an issue that needs to be defeated at the voting booth. That's how a free people speak out.

But yeah, you need to stay home p.rhebein. Please don't vote.

I suppose you simply cannot understand things..............  , at no time have I ever stated tat I would "stay home," just neve did, yet you continually suggest that I have stated such.............

Now, as for a couple of comments you have directed towards me personally on this thread and another one, let me say I do not appreciate your "dismissive" attitude/statements.  Don't care what you believe, who you are, but don't come on with that crap with me, 'cause that dog won't hunt.

If you feel so "superior," then possibly you should have a little talk with Jesus, and be reminded of the importance of "humility" within a Christian's life.

3.  Neither is the charge that the GOP is somehow against the poor true.  We just want to see folks truly in need taken care of and establish an economic system where all able bodied folks can have a job or the opportunity to start and run their own business.  We also want to see this and other things done within the frame work of our constitution.

The GOP is the traditional voice of big business, just as the Dems are the voice of big labor.  No self respecting true republican would ever endorse a minimum wage,   collective bargaining, or restrictions on import and export.  Also none would endorse taxes on anyone but the working class. None of that is good for business.

Cheap illegal labor IS good for business.
No environmental hurdles is good for business.

To me all these seem like oppression of the poor which is against scripture.

Also, it is ironic that minimum wage increases more directly adversely affect the minimum wage earners than any other segment of our economy. When a Wal-Mart has to raise minimum wages, the prices go up. When their prices go up, the people that shop their pay more of their wages than they did before.

I have always been of the opinion that if minimum wage increases had no impact on prices, raise the minimum wage to $20 per hour. But of course minimum wage has tremendous impact on prices that businesses charge for their products. I spent 5 years on minimum wage, and it helped motivate me to realize it was not designed as a living wage for a family of 4.

Also, as I have stated on here before, my family's legacy is in the Democrat party, until the Democrat party changed. My family tree changed none of its values, but the party darned sure did. My mother-in-law just yesterday, recoiled in horror when I told her that the Democrat party platform supports abortion rights. Her daddy 60 years ago told her to never vote for a Republican.

And I have a visceral disdain for anything that even remotely sounds like a labor union. I have been threatened by a group of union construction workers that they would unscrew my arm and beat me over the head with them primarily because as a young trainee, I was producing about twice the work that they thought I should be. Later in life, I became a project manager and preached to these same guys that they MUST produce twice or three times as much in order to compete with the non-union wages. They were more than capable of doing so. Their superior training equipped them to do just that, but they refused and as a result, there is virtually no such thing as a union craftsman on a construction project in my part of the world. Stupidity coupled with hard-headedness won't buy the groceries.

Productivity helps the workers just as much as it helps the companies. My construction union story is a prime example. Those guys were willing to see their union go down the toilet of obsolescene rather than adapt to productivity realities.

What is hilariously sad to me is the constant harping on the oil company's profits. Their percentage of profits is way less than most industries. The shear magnitude of the numbers boggles peoples minds, but it an industry has mind boggling costs, it will likely have mind boggling gross profit numbers (not necessarily profit margins). If an industry invests hundreds of billions in it's activities, why is 10's of billions of profit so evil? If 5 to 11 percent profit is evil, Let's go after Microsoft with both barrels. They have a 20% plus profit margin.

Yes all that stuff is here in this country, the good ol' usa.  And that is why they look to 3rd world countries to make their goods.

I used to work for the 10th largest multinational (who got sued out of existence in the 1990s)

The plant I worked at in the mid 80s made truck and earthmoving equipment transmissions. They moved to Brazil because they could pay the workers $2 a day, and used indentured servant tactics to keep workers on the job.  They had 10 year old kids working on the shop floor.  And even with that, the people who were overseeing the move said the workers were not paid enough to rent housing so they all lived in tents on the plant property (and were charged rent for that even)

Democrats are just as involved with big business as Republicans, perhaps more.

Democrats are heavily invested in crony capitalism and thrive where business and government intersect.

In this country, raising the minimum wage makes very little change for those holding the minimum wage, but the inflation that results harms small businesses and the lower middle class.   Rebublicans don't oppress the poor nor do they care for the poor.  Democrats oppress the poor by enslaving them with government care.

There is no perfect political party, both parties definitely have their flaws. Though there IS a distinct difference in the two. Become involved in learning about the differences. Study the party platforms and strive to hold them accountable. The last thing someone needs to do is listen to what the two parties say about each other.