Author Topic: How can a Christian vote Democrat? (Read 6142 times)

Jaime · « **Reply #30 on:** March 29, 2012, 07:13:00 AM »

David Duke's voter support or lack thereof should be the measure. The GOP is not racist anymore than the Dems are racists because Robert Byrd was once in the KKK. Let's use some sense here.

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Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #30 on:** March 29, 2012, 07:13:00 AM »

DaveW · « **Reply #31 on:** March 29, 2012, 07:26:35 AM »

Quote from: Jaime on March 29, 2012, 07:13:00 AM

David Duke's voter support or lack thereof should be the measure. The GOP is not racist anymore than the Dems are racists because Robert Byrd was once in the KKK. Let's use some sense here.

Yeah - the dems are probably more racist than the repubs. Their elaborate welfare scheme seems custom engineered to keep blacks in poverty. And their over-the-top support of Planned Parenthood proves it. That orginization was started to eliminate blacks, Italians and other lower classes from the US via birth control.

My point is that both main parties are corrupt and unbiblical.

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #31 on:** March 29, 2012, 07:26:35 AM »

Johnb · « **Reply #32 on:** March 29, 2012, 07:36:55 AM »

You can find corruption in any system including Christianity. Your individual cases are no more valid than condemning Christianity because of Jim Jones or a pedophile priest or a CoC preacher that gets arrested for sexual assault.

The parties can not be unbiblical because the powers that be are there by the will of God.

Jaime · « **Reply #33 on:** March 29, 2012, 08:41:19 AM »

It's always a case of least worst or most worst, since Jesus ain't running.

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #33 on:** March 29, 2012, 08:41:19 AM »

Captain Shays · « **Reply #34 on:** March 29, 2012, 01:46:27 PM »

Quote from: DaveW on March 29, 2012, 07:06:30 AM

1 - David Duke, a grand dragon of the Louisiana KKK ran for President on the Repubilcan ticket. The GOP national committe supported him. That is very racist.

2 - It was all president Bush jr had to say about islam. He incorrectly stated that islam is frendly to us and our cause, and that only "radicals" and "extremists" who had a "hijacked" form of islam were opposed to us.

3 - The GOP is traditonally free trade and anti minimum wage and worker protection. They would LOVE for manufacturers to be able to hire people for 5 cents an hour. They oppose OSHA rules and seek to minimize liability in workplace injury and death. They also oppose any kind of workmans comp, unemployment benefits and any form of welfare.

4 - Ron Paul is running as a republican and has formerly been involved with the Liberatarians who are for NO GOVERNMENT. As with David Duke, the national and state GOP councils are allowing and supporting his candidacy in the primary season. THat means they are prepared to support HIS agenda should he take the nomination. (unlikely I know)

Did you EVER tyake the time to read WHY David Duke supports Ron Paul? If you had, you would know that it's not because Ron Paul is a racist or agrees with David Duke's positions.

Don't believe me. Take the time to go there yourself and read it for yourself. Duke supports Ron Paul beccause Ron Paul is for lower taxes, limited government, non interventionist foreign policy and sound money. David Duke agrees with those things and NEVER mentions that he thinks Ron Paul is a racist or agrees with him.

It's like this. Suppose Charles Mansion is opposed to child molestors and so do you. Does that mean you agree with his murders?

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #34 on:** March 29, 2012, 01:46:27 PM »

DaveW · « **Reply #35 on:** March 30, 2012, 05:17:09 AM »

I was unaware that Duke supported Paul. TO me that is like Amidinajad saying Hitler was a great guy. Big deal. They are both wrong.

So are Duke and Paul.

Johnb · « **Reply #36 on:** March 30, 2012, 06:43:33 AM »

David
So in a democratic republic (here by the will of God) you think a Christian's duty is to just stay home and not support any candidates? Is that what you are saying?

Alfred Combes · « **Reply #37 on:** March 30, 2012, 06:48:16 AM »

Quote from: DaveW on March 30, 2012, 05:17:09 AM

I was unaware that Duke supported Paul. TO me that is like Amidinajad saying Hitler was a great guy. Big deal. They are both wrong.

So are Duke and Paul.

As Captain Shays pointed out, by your logic you could be in league with Charles Manson.

Point is your logic and comparisons are faulty.

Jimmy · « **Reply #38 on:** March 30, 2012, 06:55:30 AM »

Quote from: Alfred Combes on March 30, 2012, 06:48:16 AM

Quote from: DaveW on March 30, 2012, 05:17:09 AM
I was unaware that Duke supported Paul. TO me that is like Amidinajad saying Hitler was a great guy. Big deal. They are both wrong.

So are Duke and Paul.

As Captain Shays pointed out, by your logic you could be in league with Charles Manson.

Point is your logic and comparisons are faulty.

He is using Hebrew block logic.

Sorry Dave, I couldn't resist it.

DaveW · « **Reply #39 on:** March 30, 2012, 10:50:03 AM »

Good one Jimmy!

John - No I do not think we should stay home and unplug from the system. That is the last thing we should do.

But we should be PAINFULLY aware that the platforms of both parties contain unbiblical principles and that almost every politician is much less than we would want.

We should be in there to change the system of BOTH PARTIES to be more biblical.

Johnb · « **Reply #40 on:** March 30, 2012, 12:56:40 PM »

1. We are voting on political platforms not scripture. Not saying we should endorse abortion etc. Just that we are not trying to establish a theocracy.

2. Your charges against the GOP are unfounded. I am sure there are racist folks in all parties and walks of life but there is nothing inherently racist about the GOP platform.

3. Neither is the charge that the GOP is somehow against the poor true. We just want to see folks truly in need taken care of and establish an economic system where all able bodied folks can have a job or the opportunity to start and run their own business. We also want to see this and other things done within the frame work of our constitution.

4. If you want to understand what the truly poor go through visit a few third world countries and you will see that we have few truly poor folks in this country.

p.rehbein · « **Reply #41 on:** March 31, 2012, 07:49:53 AM »

Quote from: Jaime on March 29, 2012, 05:46:25 AM

How is that going to change the minds of the entrenched folks in Congress that are pro-choice? Most voters with sense know what it takes to get something DONE about abortion. It takes a sufficient majority to overcome a fillibuster and a sufficient majority to overcome a Presidential veto when a Dem is in that office. It isn't an issue of stomping our feet and grinding congress to a halt unsuccessfully. The Constitution defined exactly how these things should be addressed. We could amend the constiitution to change the rules, but of course that is even more difficult, for a reason. It's about working within the system to correct something that was fostered within the system. It's an issue that needs to be defeated at the voting booth. That's how a free people speak out.

But yeah, you need to stay home p.rhebein. Please don't vote.

I suppose you simply cannot understand things..............

, at no time have I ever stated tat I would "stay home," just neve did, yet you continually suggest that I have stated such.............

Now, as for a couple of comments you have directed towards me personally on this thread and another one, let me say I do not appreciate your "dismissive" attitude/statements. Don't care what you believe, who you are, but don't come on with that crap with me, 'cause that dog won't hunt.

If you feel so "superior," then possibly you should have a little talk with Jesus, and be reminded of the importance of "humility" within a Christian's life.

Jaime · « **Reply #42 on:** March 31, 2012, 08:07:17 AM »

You have stated there is no difference in the parties, And I'm pretty sure you have defended staying home and not participating in the process. That is why I hope you do stay home and not vote. But I simply CAN understand that there IS a big difference. Neither party is perfect and I am certainly not perfect. Avoid me if you want and I will avoid you. I only care what you believe about politics because it matters.

I might have gotten you and Larry mixed up, I know we three have had some "good natured" jabs at one another over politics. If I did mix you up with Larry, I apologize. It's Larry that shouldn't vote. If you still think there is no difference in the parties, you are still seriously messed up, but I love ya brother. And I still hope you don't vote.

By the way, I figure I am no less humble than you are. So don't try to hunt that dog either, 'cause it's a chihuahua.

DaveW · « **Reply #43 on:** March 31, 2012, 08:28:50 PM »

Quote from: Johnb on March 30, 2012, 12:56:40 PM

3. Neither is the charge that the GOP is somehow against the poor true. We just want to see folks truly in need taken care of and establish an economic system where all able bodied folks can have a job or the opportunity to start and run their own business. We also want to see this and other things done within the frame work of our constitution.

The GOP is the traditional voice of big business, just as the Dems are the voice of big labor. No self respecting true republican would ever endorse a minimum wage, collective bargaining, or restrictions on import and export. Also none would endorse taxes on anyone but the working class. None of that is good for business.

Cheap illegal labor IS good for business.
No environmental hurdles is good for business.

To me all these seem like oppression of the poor which is against scripture.

Johnb · « **Reply #44 on:** April 01, 2012, 05:30:09 AM »

Quote from: DaveW on March 31, 2012, 08:28:50 PM

Quote from: Johnb on March 30, 2012, 12:56:40 PM

3. Neither is the charge that the GOP is somehow against the poor true. We just want to see folks truly in need taken care of and establish an economic system where all able bodied folks can have a job or the opportunity to start and run their own business. We also want to see this and other things done within the frame work of our constitution.
The GOP is the traditional voice of big business, just as the Dems are the voice of big labor. No self respecting true republican would ever endorse a minimum wage, collective bargaining, or restrictions on import and export. Also none would endorse taxes on anyone but the working class. None of that is good for business.

Cheap illegal labor IS good for business.
No environmental hurdles is good for business.

To me all these seem like oppression of the poor which is against scripture.

Again broad generalities with no bases in fact but simply using political propaganda of both sides.

This republican is a former member of the St Louis labor council selected by other union members because I have never been afraid to speak my mind.

Republicans want everyone to share in both the wealth and keep taxes low for everyone. The concept that we want only the working class to pay taxes is bogus. We do think everyone should have some skin in the game even if it is only $1. A System that we have now where half of people pay no taxes can not succeed.
The rest of what you said is so retarded it does not even deserve an answer.
Making wild unsubstantiated claims against whole groups is certainly "unbiblical".

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