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Re: How is Mitt or Newt Different than Obama?
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2012, 08:46:55 AM »
A Christians first choice, should not be to destroy your enemy.  A Christians only reason to harm another in my understanding would be self defense, at the time of being attacked, or we know the attack will take place.

We have not been attacked by Iraq, Iran, Pakistan etc.  The only war that is justified is the Afghanistan war, and most of the citizens of that country did not even know a terrorist group from their country attacked the US.

God does not approve of war based on a fear of what might happen.

When we read the OT, we see examples where God did not approve of mans wars, king David could not build Gods holy temple because he had to uch mblood on his hands from all his wars.

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Re: How is Mitt or Newt Different than Obama?
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2012, 10:40:38 AM »
I'm amazed that:

Ron Paul predicted the attacks of 9-11:


Ron Paul predicted the housing/mortgage crash:

Ron Paul predicted the decline of the dollar and 2008 economic collapse:

If he was in office, this stuff wouldn't have happened! And now we sit back and are giving power to one of apparently two establishment, status-quo candidates (Mitt or Newt) who both contributed to the problem. They both supported cap and trade, an individual healthcare mandate, the bailouts, etc. And only recently gave lip service to Republicans as though they opposed those things.

How in the world Ron Paul is not the front runner is beyond me and only shows how brainwashed people truly are. We should put Ron Paul on our shoulders and carry him into Washington! He is EXACTLY what we need instead of more of the same with a few "conservative" slants to massive, liberal big government programs!

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Re: How is Mitt or Newt Different than Obama?
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2012, 01:15:30 PM »
Romney's the weakest of the bunch and he would be tremendously better than Obama. Newt was Speaker and balanced at least 4 budgets undef a Democrat President. Newt will Nuke Obama in the debates.

I would like to know if all the supporters of each of the GOP candidates will vote for the GOP nominee or will you stay home or vote 3rd party and effectively vote fir Obama?


One of Obama's major weaknesses as the President has been his noteable lack of leadership and management abilities.  We are perhaps fortunate in that regard.  Had he truly had such skills, we might be much worse off than we are.  I see Newt in much the same light.  His lack of leadership and management skills was a primary reason that his speakership was taken away from him. I think he would be far worse as President than as Speaker.

I think both Romney and Santorum have shown the necessary skills. But for whatever reason, Santorum does not seem to be able to convince most that he would be an acceptable candidate.  There seems to be something about him that turns off a lot of those very people he needs to win.  And I honestly do not know what it is. As far as I am concerned, that leaves only Romney.  He has shown both the leadership and the management skills necessary to be an effective President.  The fact that he is not quite so conservative as I might like is almost beside the point.  He is much more conservative than Obama.  He fundamentally is a free market capitalist, not the socialist that Obama clearly displays.



Romney is not for free markets or Constitutional regulation of trade by Congress. In his 2008 Economic Stimulus Statement
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=96086#axzz1kyCO1Nxe
He calls for "Conclude Existing Negotiations, Like The Doha Round," One has to know understand what that is & what that means.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doha_Development_Round It is about expanding the power & influence of the World Trade Organiztion.  The WTO is the world's governing body regulating trade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Organization#Organizational_structure

This is globally centrally planned world trade, there is nothing free market about it. It's not just socialist it's communistic.

It's why I made this post:
The only way we can move to a true free market is rescind our membership in the World Trade Organization. the WTO is the global regulating body consisting of unelected foreign officials ruling from Geneva Switzerland. The WTO has more power over our trade than Congress.

Newt Gingrich & Rick Santorum championed, promoted & voted for it in 1994. Romney stated in 2008 he wants to conclude the stalled DOHA negotiations which will expand WTO authority even further.

Until this major problem is fixed our economy will forever be at the mercy of foreign interests. There is only one man in the race who is willing to to rescind this collectivist boondoggle - Ron Paul.


Dr. Paul begins his rebuttal at 2:40

This is probably one of the most important issues affecting our nation, our economy, & our national security.


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Re: How is Mitt or Newt Different than Obama?
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2012, 02:54:26 PM »
Ron Paul on self defense

As an Air Force veteran, Ron Paul believes national defense is the single most important responsibility the Constitution entrusts to the federal government. ::holdingupflag::

In Congress, Ron Paul voted to authorize military force to hunt down Osama bin Laden and authored legislation to specifically target terrorist leaders and bring them to justice.

Acting as the world’s policeman  ::police:: and nation-building weakens our country, puts our troops in harm’s way, and sends precious resources to other nations in the midst of an historic economic crisis

That’s why, as Commander-in-Chief, Dr. Paul will lead the fight to:

* Make securing our borders the top national security priority. ::americanflag::

* Avoid long and expensive land wars that bankrupt our country by using constitutional means to capture or kill terrorist leaders who helped attack the U.S. and continue to plot further attacks.

* Guarantee our intelligence community’s efforts are directed toward legitimate threats and not spying ::theblues:: on innocent Americans through unconstitutional power grabs like the Patriot Act.

* End the nation-building that is draining troop morale, increasing our debt, and sacrificing lives with no end in sight.

* Follow the Constitution by asking Congress to declare war before one is waged.

* Only send our military into conflict with a clear mission and all the tools they need to complete the job – and then bring them home.

* Ensure our veterans receive the care, benefits, and honors they have earned when they return.

* Revitalize the military for the 21st century by eliminating waste in a trillion-dollar military budget.

* Prevent the TSA from forcing Americans to either be groped or ogled ::blushing:: just to travel on an airplane and ultimately abolish the unconstitutional agency.

* Stop taking money from the middle class and the poor to give to rich dictators through foreign aid.

As President, Ron Paul’s national defense policy will ensure that the greatest nation in human history is strong, secure, and respected.
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/national-defense/
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Re: How is Mitt or Newt Different than Obama?
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2012, 03:20:55 AM »
A Christians first choice, should not be to destroy your enemy.  A Christians only reason to harm another in my understanding would be self defense, at the time of being attacked, or we know the attack will take place. When we read the OT, we see examples where God did not approve of mans wars, king David could not build Gods holy temple because he had to uch mblood on his hands from all his wars.
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Re: How is Mitt or Newt Different than Obama?
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2012, 06:00:26 AM »
It is self defense to go after terrorists as we have. We should not wait until the attack happens. If we know an attack is planned or imminent, getting them is self defense. This ain't our father's or grandfather's war, where armies are gathering against us, this is evil individuals plotting huge acts of violence in ssecret and using our freedoms against us as tactics. In isolated cases, there have been countries in cahoots with these evil individuals offering sanctuary such as Afghanistan.

Plus if you read the OT, you will see if the Israelites had destroyed all the men, women and children of the Canaanite nations like God specified, we probably wouldn't be having the issues we have today. Not advocating genocide or justifying any killing necessarily, but the OT reference above made me remember that God did command basically genocide and the Israelites didn't obey. Could be some of the reason for the irreconcileable problems in the area today.
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Re: How is Mitt or Newt Different than Obama?
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2012, 07:47:31 AM »
It is self defense to go after terrorists as we have. We should not wait until the attack happens. If we know an attack is planned or imminent, getting them is self defense. This ain't our father's or grandfather's war, where armies are gathering against us, this is evil individuals plotting huge acts of violence in ssecret and using our freedoms against us as tactics. In isolated cases, there have been countries in cahoots with these evil individuals offering sanctuary such as Afghanistan.

Plus if you read the OT, you will see if the Israelites had destroyed all the men, women and children of the Canaanite nations like God specified, we probably wouldn't be having the issues we have today. Not advocating genocide or justifying any killing necessarily, but the OT reference above made me remember that God did command basically genocide and the Israelites didn't obey. Could be some of the reason for the irreconcileable problems in the area today.

This shows that people just don't truly realize how massively deep we are in debt and what a threat that is to our national security. It's killing us and we've got to stop it! The politicians will always have a boogie man to invent to spend more of our tax dollars fighting. There's always another war to fight. Yea! Let's go spend another trillion on blowing up Iran to defend Israel even though Israel has asked us to stay out of it and they are in a much better financial position then we are.

And then after Iran it will be Pakistan or Russia. Anything so that the Fed can print more money so our dollar isn't worth enough to be toilet paper. Geez. Just because someone can find a way to suggest a country is an enemy and could attack us doesn't make it so. And it's so inconsistent because we're sending Billion$ to our enemies. Why?! Neither Mitt nor Newt has proposed ending that (Ron has!). We send more to Israel's enemies individually than we do Israel. Ron Paul says that's wasteful and stupid. I mean, we're so broke countries should be sending money to us! And yet we just keep sending it away like we've got it to burn. But more of the same with Barack Romney or Newt Obama will fix it! Newt will put a coloney on the moon! It'll be the most fun 5 TRILLION we've ever spent! And we'll all dance in the streets because we won't have houses since the China-owned banks won't take our worthless dollars! Yea! More of the same! Don't vote for Ron Paul because freedom and prosperity aren't in vogue!
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Re: How is Mitt or Newt Different than Obama?
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2012, 10:58:57 AM »
It is self defense to go after terrorists as we have. We should not wait until the attack happens. If we know an attack is planned or imminent, getting them is self defense. This ain't our father's or grandfather's war, where armies are gathering against us, this is evil individuals plotting huge acts of violence in ssecret and using our freedoms against us as tactics. In isolated cases, there have been countries in cahoots with these evil individuals offering sanctuary such as Afghanistan.

Plus if you read the OT, you will see if the Israelites had destroyed all the men, women and children of the Canaanite nations like God specified, we probably wouldn't be having the issues we have today. Not advocating genocide or justifying any killing necessarily, but the OT reference above made me remember that God did command basically genocide and the Israelites didn't obey. Could be some of the reason for the irreconcileable problems in the area today.

This shows that people just don't truly realize how massively deep we are in debt and what a threat that is to our national security. It's killing us and we've got to stop it! The politicians will always have a boogie man to invent to spend more of our tax dollars fighting. There's always another war to fight. Yea! Let's go spend another trillion on blowing up Iran to defend Israel even though Israel has asked us to stay out of it and they are in a much better financial position then we are.

And then after Iran it will be Pakistan or Russia. Anything so that the Fed can print more money so our dollar isn't worth enough to be toilet paper. Geez. Just because someone can find a way to suggest a country is an enemy and could attack us doesn't make it so. And it's so inconsistent because we're sending Billion$ to our enemies. Why?! Neither Mitt nor Newt has proposed ending that (Ron has!). We send more to Israel's enemies individually than we do Israel. Ron Paul says that's wasteful and stupid. I mean, we're so broke countries should be sending money to us! And yet we just keep sending it away like we've got it to burn. But more of the same with Barack Romney or Newt Obama will fix it! Newt will put a coloney on the moon! It'll be the most fun 5 TRILLION we've ever spent! And we'll all dance in the streets because we won't have houses since the China-owned banks won't take our worthless dollars! Yea! More of the same! Don't vote for Ron Paul because freedom and prosperity aren't in vogue!

I say we don't fight any wars we don't have to. We must be prepared. Peace through strength. There is no strength though perceived weakness that our enemies have of us. I am never for fighting unnecessary wars. But I am ALL FOR being prepared so that we don't have to fight. Ron Paul could win this nomination if he would just admit that Iran is a threat to world peace. No one is advocating a new war. Though sometimes threats don't wait until it is fiscally convenient.
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Re: How is Mitt or Newt Different than Obama?
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2012, 08:07:47 PM »
So I take it from your response you will be casting an effecrive vote for Obama after Ron Paul fails  to get enough support for the nomination. I plan to vote for the GOP nominee whoever it is. He will be the only being on earth with any chance to defeat Obama.


I've been expecting the death of America for a few years now. In some ways it already is. Somebody who does what Ron Paul says he would do is just about the only thing that could give the country a chance.

That's where I'm coming from. People can freak out about global affairs all they want, but the country is almost certain to disintegrate completely at this rate--probably in favor of the east. The culture is deeply flawed and it is reflected in our lack of productivity (able-bodied men who could be growing food or building products for exports but somehow have absolutely nothing to do when they want to do something).

So unless Santorum or Gingrich go against their own track records and do what they promise, slashing tremendous amounts of government spending, the country is as good as dead at any rate.

To answer your question . . . well, check out this video:


There's a reason Ron Paul supporters believe the same way. They see Ron Paul as the only chance there is, realistically.
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Re: How is Mitt or Newt Different than Obama?
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2012, 08:42:13 PM »
We survived Carter and we will aurvive a one term Obama. Probably not a two term Obama. We haven't seen the true radical Obama until he secures a second term.
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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2012, 09:42:57 PM »

I've been expecting the death of America for a few years now. In some ways it already is. Somebody who does what Ron Paul says he would do is just about the only thing that could give the country a chance.

That's where I'm coming from. People can freak out about global affairs all they want, but the country is almost certain to disintegrate completely at this rate--probably in favor of the east. The culture is deeply flawed and it is reflected in our lack of productivity (able-bodied men who could be growing food or building products for exports but somehow have absolutely nothing to do when they want to do something).

So unless Santorum or Gingrich go against their own track records and do what they promise, slashing tremendous amounts of government spending, the country is as good as dead at any rate.

To answer your question . . . well, check out this video:


There's a reason Ron Paul supporters believe the same way. They see Ron Paul as the only chance there is, realistically.


This is why they are so desperate to pass a SOPA type law.  Us younger folks don't get our news from their media anymore. 

There is hope for the future of the U.S. as a free country, assuming we can get there in one piece.


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Re: How is Mitt or Newt Different than Obama?
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2012, 10:32:55 PM »
I'd like to point out that nobody has yet answered Tennman's OP.
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Re: How is Mitt or Newt Different than Obama?
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2012, 10:37:03 PM »
Who cares how or from whom they get it. They have said they will use it to destroy Israel, or try to. Creating as you well know a regional and worldwide crisis. I fully expect them to acquire a bomb rather than build one. Whether it's China, Russia or Pakistan or N. Korea. It will still go boom. But again, I don't see any difference in the threat. If they get it, we (the world) better look out. Even an unsuccessful attempt to deliver a nuke to Israel will not have isolated consequences. And please stop accusing me of fear mongering. I don't accuse you of stupid mongering.


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Re: How is Mitt or Newt Different than Obama?
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2012, 08:24:27 AM »
I'd like to point out that nobody has yet answered Tennman's OP.

It is loaded with false premises.  Besides, IIRC, Tennman is a Paul supporter.  I have walls around here I can talk to in person.
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Re: How is Mitt or Newt Different than Obama?
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2012, 01:19:05 PM »
Newt and Mitt have an "R" next to their name.  That is the only real difference.