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Offline Captain Shays

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Re: Classical Liberal, Libertarian, Conservative
« Reply #35 on: Mon Feb 27, 2012 - 16:20:12 »

This is the reason behind our national debt because when the Fed creates that money out of thin air, they charge us interest on it. Man, I wish I could do that right now to pay my bills.


You'd be better off getting a clue what you are talking about unless, as I suspect, you, Tonka and a few others are actually here to make Ron Paul look bad.

Look at the audited financials of the federal reserve right here.  Go to page 5.  Look at the bottom.  For 2010 the Fed paid right at 97% of its income to the treasury. 










Nick. Did you actually READ the information that was provided in your own link?
Let me help you out here. This is from your own link

"As described in Note 4 to the Combined Financial Statements, the Reserve Banks have prepared these Combined Financial Statements in conformity with accounting principles established by the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, as set forth in the Financial Accounting Manual for Federal Reserve Banks, which is a comprehensive basis of accounting other than accounting principles generally accepted in the United States of America."

That my bo,y is not an audit by Congress who is the ONLY entity charged by our Constitution to coin our currency.

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Re: Classical Liberal, Libertarian, Conservative
« Reply #36 on: Mon Feb 27, 2012 - 17:44:36 »
We should also NEVER vote for candidates who want to control what we put or don't put into our own body. Those are choices that God gave to us and if we're not free over our own bodies then we're not free.
You mean like all the drugs we want to take? Let me know when you are out driving your car so I can stay home.

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« Reply #36 on: Mon Feb 27, 2012 - 17:44:36 »

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Re: Classical Liberal, Libertarian, Conservative
« Reply #37 on: Mon Feb 27, 2012 - 18:51:27 »

"accounting principles established by the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, which is a basis of accounting other than accounting principles generally accepted in the United States of America."



 I edited the FRB quote for clarity.

No need for oversight with the FRB, they just write their own rules & control their own outcomes.

Hey that's why they deserve the monopoly, that old time Babylonian economics is exactly what we need to support as Believers. ::eek::

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Re: Classical Liberal, Libertarian, Conservative
« Reply #38 on: Tue Feb 28, 2012 - 06:48:04 »
Of course it isn't an audit by Congress, my unlearned correspondent.  If you want the likes of Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Harry Reid to audit your stuff instead of having someone competent do it, then, by all means, give them a call.

Lets look at it, shall we:

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As described in Note 4 to the Combined Financial Statements, the Reserve Banks have prepared these
Combined Financial Statements in conformity with accounting principles established by the Board of
Governors of  the Federal Reserve System, as set  forth in the Financial Accounting Manual for Federal
Reserve Banks, which is a comprehensive basis of accounting other than accounting principles generally
accepted in  the United States of America. The effects on such Combined Financial Statements of the
differences between the accounting principles established by the Board of Governors of the Federal
Reserve System and accounting principles generally accepted in the United States of America are also
described in Note 4.

In short, you think you have something because they use a basis of accounting that is a little different from GAAP and explain it.  

Try again.  You're still naught for how many times you've tried.  That is, unless you are here to convince us that ignorance is the life blood of the Paul campaign.    

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Re: Classical Liberal, Libertarian, Conservative
« Reply #39 on: Tue Feb 28, 2012 - 15:21:54 »
We should also NEVER vote for candidates who want to control what we put or don't put into our own body. Those are choices that God gave to us and if we're not free over our own bodies then we're not free.
You mean like all the drugs we want to take? Let me know when you are out driving your car so I can stay home.

My brother. If ALL drugs were legalized the harm that one does to another person or their property would still remain illegal and punishable by law. In the meantime it would dramatically reduce violent crime along with the number of addicted persons as most credible study's have shown from the countries that have changed their drug laws.

Since the government is not our conscience they do not dictate to us what is right or wrong. In other words, just because it's legal doesn't make it right and just because it's illegal doesn't make it wrong.

Always remember that a crime is harm that one does to another or their property and bears with it the penalty of the laws designed to protect us and our property from that harm.

A vice is harm that one does to one's self or his own property and bears within the inherent penalty as the proper outcome and no other punishment is required. Otherwise we would have the government protecting us from every possible bad choice we could make. Oh wait. We already do. They are going after little girls for selling unauthorized lemonade and Quakers for selling unauthorized milk like they have done for hundreds of years.

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Re: Classical Liberal, Libertarian, Conservative
« Reply #40 on: Tue Feb 28, 2012 - 17:20:39 »
Good Morning Cap'n
As someone who has sold drugs legally for many years I can tell you, if people could get their hands on all the drugs they wanted, society would be in a gigantic mess in short order. Hard core use of narcotics and hallucinogens might not go up but the number of people abusing anti-anxiety drugs and muscle relaxants (which don't work anyway) would increase rapidly. There would also be widespread use of antibiotics for trival viral infections which would increase drug resistance in bacteria and affect us all. Without the present restrictions related to prescriptions drugs, drug prices would decrease (this happens every time a prescription drug goes OTC). On he surface this sounds like a good thing but it would severely restrict the dollars available for research. Unless you think we already have all the drugs we need, you can see that this is a bad thing.
The bottom line is that the average person does not have the training and knowledge needed to determine what drugs he needs. The government is doing you a service by limiting your access to drugs, both therapeutic and recreational.


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Re: Classical Liberal, Libertarian, Conservative
« Reply #41 on: Wed Feb 29, 2012 - 06:19:39 »
Are thousands of people being killed so I can buy some Goodies powder for a headache?  Maybe Goodies dealers being shot at by people from the BC powder cartel, etc?

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Re: Classical Liberal, Libertarian, Conservative
« Reply #42 on: Fri Mar 02, 2012 - 12:18:00 »
Good Morning Cap'n
As someone who has sold drugs legally for many years I can tell you, if people could get their hands on all the drugs they wanted, society would be in a gigantic mess in short order. Hard core use of narcotics and hallucinogens might not go up but the number of people abusing anti-anxiety drugs and muscle relaxants (which don't work anyway) would increase rapidly. There would also be widespread use of antibiotics for trival viral infections which would increase drug resistance in bacteria and affect us all. Without the present restrictions related to prescriptions drugs, drug prices would decrease (this happens every time a prescription drug goes OTC). On he surface this sounds like a good thing but it would severely restrict the dollars available for research. Unless you think we already have all the drugs we need, you can see that this is a bad thing.
The bottom line is that the average person does not have the training and knowledge needed to determine what drugs he needs. The government is doing you a service by limiting your access to drugs, both therapeutic and recreational.



Hi Snargles,

I am not suggesting that there be no restrictions. I am suggesting #1 that the federal government has no Constitutional authority to do so and that any restrictions remain at the state level.

Relative to "contrrolled dangerous substances" who is in control of them, but, the illegal cartels, gangs, smugglers, and the mob? The legal drugs are controlled by the government and I agree there should be controls as to the quality and who can use them so we can know for sure that what we put into our body is of a quality that is safe and the content is accurate. As it is now, any ad hock chemist can make something in his bath tub or basement lab which could contain contaminates or other impurities and we'll never know for sure that the dosages are accurate like we can with the legal drugs. That is another reason to legalize everything.

I put no weight in the argument that drug abuse would increase if we did that simply because those who want drugs now can get them and those who don't and know where to get them do n't use them by choice. If we legalized say LSD or Herion or Pot or whatever it's unrealistic to think people would all of a sudden say "oh herion is now legal I think I'll start using Herion".
In fact because of the illegal status of certain drugs that are in demand it throws the entire merket into the black market which is the cause of most of the vio0lent crimes associated with drugs along with the over doses and deaths due to impurities that dealers put into the drugs to increase their profit margin.
Also, unscrupulous drug dealers and gangs think nothing of selling drugs to anyone including our kids while a legal outlet would lose his entire livlihood if he made that mistake. So legalization would actually reduce the accessability to our children especially if we increased the jail time associated with selling drugs to minors in the event of legalization.
So on one hand I advocate legalization of everything but on the other I also advocate say a 20-30 year sentence for selling drugs to minors. I also advocate increasing the penality for other harm that one does to another either while high on drugs or alcohol or in the procurement of drugs. If a violent crime is committed after legalization the penality should be severe because that person is a violent preditor. But, if a person ingests a substance he is harming himself and in my opinion there is no room for the government to protect us from harm that we do to ourselves otherwise they will start to pass laws trying to protect us from everything and anything. Oh wait. They already do that.


 

     
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