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How should Christians Approach Politics?
« on: September 25, 2012, 04:04:14 PM »
I've created a thread to discuss this issue since it seems many threads in this forum have been sidetracked to address this question.

In the future discuss this topic in this thread, instead of taking other threads off course.

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How should Christians Approach Politics?
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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2012, 05:07:15 PM »
Romans 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

Even the one's we think are bad guys. Is criticizing the government rebelling against it? Sometimes I don't think free speech is a Christian thing either because we are reminded in the bible to control our tongues.

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2012, 03:16:21 PM »
Romans 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

Even the one's we think are bad guys. Is criticizing the government rebelling against it? Sometimes I don't think free speech is a Christian thing either because we are reminded in the bible to control our tongues.

The verses about respecting authority, not speaking against authority etc is meant for when the government is obeying Gods laws.

If a government was killing Christians or like in the old days when some Kings would run around raping women, God does not mean for us to remain silent.

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2012, 03:18:09 PM »
I think Christians should look at the issues with natural eyes and super natural eyes.

1.  Do the natural policies of the candidate make sense according to your knowledge and education?

2.  Do the supernatural issues line up with the word of God.  Example:  Are they going to bless Israel?  Are they going to support homosexuals? 

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2013, 05:43:40 AM »
Since our Nation"s Founding, there has always been these Church/State Issues and whether or not there truly is a Wall of Separation between the two elements.
As I Believer, I find that there should be somewhat a Wall of Separation as to how I approach things of the world{State] and my Faith {Church], because if one blends the two a Confirmatory will invariably result. One can have solid Biblical Beliefs that Abortion is wrong and homosexuality is a sin but, we Believers are guilty of fighting these Issues as the world does as we get enmeshed in the political process, and thus our "light" is dimmed on the Issues we so strongly oppose. when we align ourselves with Political Parties {as most Evangelicals claim an alignment with the GOP] we further dim that "light of Christ" because we accept other Issues that the Republicans support that are not exactly Biblical, and accept  and believe so many politically biases arguments supporting those other Issues. Lower taxes and gun rights are but a couple of the many biased-filled arguments.
Colossians 2:8 gives us a very stern warning as to how any of us can be "cheated" by things which are not according to Christ in a worldly way, which I believe describes Politics very well in this Society in which we live.

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2013, 08:34:49 PM »
I increasingly find myself disaffected by politics and not able to support any political party. The Republican Party takes conservative positions on issues like abortion which I support but show an absence of compassion for vulnerable people like the poor, disabled, immigrants, minority groups, some of whom are Christians and suffering. I am an almost nightly listener to the Christian Television Network's overnight program America's Prayer Meeting where people call in for prayer. Some of the suffering is immense with people without a source of income, about to be thrown out of homes and apartments, unable to pay for needed medical treatment, with no where to turn except this all night prayer meeting, supported by the donations of Christians and struggling to remain on the air. I would like to believe that Christians could and would be willing and able to shoulder the responsibility of helping hurting  people here in America and abroad. However I believe without government programs like Social Security, Medicaid, SSI, medicare, destitution and suffering would be far greater.  I am a Charismatic Christian, conservative on social issues but well to the left on issues of economic justice and not afraid to take unpopular stands.

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2013, 09:32:01 PM »
I increasingly find myself disaffected by politics and not able to support any political party. The Republican Party takes conservative positions on issues like abortion which I support but show an absence of compassion for vulnerable people like the poor, disabled, immigrants, minority groups, some of whom are Christians and suffering. I am an almost nightly listener to the Christian Television Network's overnight program America's Prayer Meeting where people call in for prayer. Some of the suffering is immense with people without a source of income, about to be thrown out of homes and apartments, unable to pay for needed medical treatment, with no where to turn except this all night prayer meeting, supported by the donations of Christians and struggling to remain on the air. I would like to believe that Christians could and would be willing and able to shoulder the responsibility of helping hurting  people here in America and abroad. However I believe without government programs like Social Security, Medicaid, SSI, medicare, destitution and suffering would be far greater.  I am a Charismatic Christian, conservative on social issues but well to the left on issues of economic justice and not afraid to take unpopular stands.

You are only to the left if you believe government should provide the economic justice. That is the role of Christianty, not a secular government.

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2013, 09:49:28 PM »
I presume that you are implying that a real Christian can't hold my political beliefs. Correct? This is exactly  the reason why I need to keep on speaking.

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2013, 04:58:20 AM »
Government should insure opportunity, not fix the results. I believe that is an American view. If you believe that Republicans are anti poor, I would say you are wrong. Republicans want to raise everyone's ship. Demos want and NEED a dependent electorate. As I have said many times, I have never worked for a poor man. The rich create jobs while creating wealth. Hurt the rich, hurt job creators. A job is the best known welfare program. It only seems like good vs evil if you listen to a constant demonizing drumbeat from the left. It is not a Christian party vs an uncaring party............Except on the abortion issue. If we continue on the slope of the culture of death, could euthanasia of the inconvenient elderly be far behind, solving the Social Security and Medicare issue ultimately. Let's get real!

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2013, 08:42:43 AM »
I presume that you are implying that a real Christian can't hold my political beliefs. Correct? This is exactly  the reason why I need to keep on speaking.
Not my place to set the rules on what's a "real Christian". That is something each and every one must find on their own. My personal belief is that followers of Christ are meant to be the teachers, the caregivers, the providers; the essence of everything that represents love. We are to be that shining light on the hill drawing more and more to Him simply by the way we live. We are meant to be the example of all that's good. None of that is the role of a secular government, such as we have. I further believe socalled "Christians" must shoulder much of the blame for the mess we now find ourselves in. Too many have farmed out their personal and collective responsibilities to government so they are free to seek out the pleasures of the world. We try very hard to convince ourselves that we are giving, sacrificing, and loving, but an itemizing of the worldly things we cherish and possess speaks otherwise. Look no further than the prosperity gospel that has become so popular, or the oft quoted line of Scripture that there "will always be the poor among us." These are nothing more than rationalizations to not meet the responsibility of allowing Christ to live in and through us. And in that rationalization we now expect government to solve all the problems.

There are enough who consider themselves "real Christians" in this country to solve all the problems, but we don't. Instead we turn to government. That is our failure, not the failure of government. And if we actually worked on solving those problems, there would be an ever increasing number of "real Christians" helping to solve the problems! Again, we are meant to be that light, and if that light ever shines it will draw more and more to it. We just have to have the courage to shine.

Once you take on a political idealogy, once you put a label on yourself, once you start expecting there to be political solutions for everything, you are lost. Well, most of us "real Christians" are lost. And perhaps in the end, we are not real.

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2013, 10:29:39 PM »
Politics is unfortunately can be a a distraction from Christian work and can become divisive. However it is very apparent to me that  if not for government programs many people in this country would be living under Dickensian conditions and destitution. Christian charity would not be a sufficient force and has never been throughout American history. I would like to believe that we could have communities resembling the second chapter of the book of Acts and this might be possible on a limited scale. However I believe that Christian  working together can do much to help people live transformed lives, partcularly when the emphasis is on Jesus and his saving power.

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2013, 12:19:41 PM »
Very carefully.

I believe each christian should be as involved in politics as much as they can.  This country needs christians in the governing process.  We need laws for our country which do not contradict God's laws.  This country needs to return to its christian roots and we need to be aware as christians what is happening to our country and what we as individuals can do. ::applause::

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2013, 07:55:46 PM »
Government should insure opportunity, not fix the results. I believe that is an American view. If you believe that Republicans are anti poor, I would say you are wrong. Republicans want to raise everyone's ship. Demos want and NEED a dependent electorate. As I have said many times, I have never worked for a poor man. The rich create jobs while creating wealth. Hurt the rich, hurt job creators. A job is the best known welfare program. It only seems like good vs evil if you listen to a constant demonizing drumbeat from the left. It is not a Christian party vs an uncaring party............Except on the abortion issue. If we continue on the slope of the culture of death, could euthanasia of the inconvenient elderly be far behind, solving the Social Security and Medicare issue ultimately. Let's get real!

 ::applause::  Well said.

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2013, 11:23:20 AM »
Jamie, well said indeed. 

Crowcamp, real christians can do God's work and still be involved with politics.  Would that we had more christians in politics who would work for God in that arena.

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2013, 04:38:47 AM »
Maybe this has always been the case in this Country, but we have a Political system right now where it's all very much of the "world" and the  very strong conforming elements the world can produce. And it's usually the more Radical elements on both sides of the major Parties who control the debates.

On the Republican side, there really is a definitive sense that not only is greed OK, but it's needed for a vibrant economy. And the word  "freedom" is invoked to justify greed, along with many other arguments. As "the love of money produces it's many evils" a lot of the arguments that people adopt on the GOP side is a sense of personal selfishness. During the Healthcare debates over Obamacare, one argument that got a lot of traction in arguing against it all could be summed up as "Me and how it all affects me". That the Government might force "me" to pay more because "I" would  have to subsidize all those deadbeats in our society as well. And the GOP certainly has an abundance of false teachers who, through their radio and television programs will cause many to bear a lot of "false witness" against Obama and Democrats and thus people end up passing on a lot of political nonsense because they have "lifted up these false teachers who simply tell them what they want to hear politically.  To be sure, the GOP and the worldly elements of it  all is not as "of Christ" as it pretends to be. Many Christians simply fall into the very strong conforming elements of this world by believing in "man" and his so-called "right" political affiliations to fix what ails us a a society

On the Democrat side, I do believe there are many Secularists who tend to lead some of the debates. That somehow, if our secular government throws enough money at a particular problem or provide more "safety nets" for the poorer in our society, that it all will simply work out in the end. They have their "false teachers teaching what itching ears want to hear" as well to their faithful.

Over the years, I have listened to many of the arguments for and against this "Wall' and whether there should be that element that Separates Church from State. To be sure, as a Believer I really believe there should be a Wall, at least adopted personally. In our Society today, politics present so much that can pull me into conforming into worldly ways and beliefs and thus pull me away from "what is of Christ" so very much.