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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2013, 09:57:39 AM »
On the Republican side, there really is a definitive sense that not only is greed OK, but it's needed for a vibrant economy. And the word  "freedom" is invoked to justify greed, along with many other arguments. As "the love of money produces it's many evils" a lot of the arguments that people adopt on the GOP side is a sense of personal selfishness. During the Healthcare debates over Obamacare, one argument that got a lot of traction in arguing against it all could be summed up as "Me and how it all affects me". That the Government might force "me" to pay more because "I" would  have to subsidize all those deadbeats in our society as well. And the GOP certainly has an abundance of false teachers who, through their radio and television programs will cause many to bear a lot of "false witness" against Obama and Democrats and thus people end up passing on a lot of political nonsense because they have "lifted up these false teachers who simply tell them what they want to hear politically.  To be sure, the GOP and the worldly elements of it  all is not as "of Christ" as it pretends to be. Many Christians simply fall into the very strong conforming elements of this world by believing in "man" and his so-called "right" political affiliations to fix what ails us a a society
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I disagree with this assessment.  The USA is suppose to be the land of opportunity for all who put forth the effort to be successful.  Taking from the rich to give to the poor was tried in 1917 by the Bolshvicks and it did not work for Russia and it will not work for America.  If fair share is what this administration wants, then overhaul the tax code for everyone. 

As for Obamacare, regarding false teachers ....that was pretty much done under false pretensions... as this legislation was passed without any of the written documents read fully.. and now it is coming to light just how expensive and unequal this bill will become.

There is secularism everywhere and the government is not immuned.  However, I believe that there are christian men and women who have a talent and a passion to try to get as much done in our government that would be fair and equiable for all mankind. 

Both parties could use a good "housecleaning" and an immediate return the morality
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2013, 09:59:01 AM »
On the Republican side, there really is a definitive sense that not only is greed OK, but it's needed for a vibrant economy. And the word  "freedom" is invoked to justify greed, along with many other arguments. As "the love of money produces it's many evils" a lot of the arguments that people adopt on the GOP side is a sense of personal selfishness. During the Healthcare debates over Obamacare, one argument that got a lot of traction in arguing against it all could be summed up as "Me and how it all affects me". That the Government might force "me" to pay more because "I" would  have to subsidize all those deadbeats in our society as well. And the GOP certainly has an abundance of false teachers who, through their radio and television programs will cause many to bear a lot of "false witness" against Obama and Democrats and thus people end up passing on a lot of political nonsense because they have "lifted up these false teachers who simply tell them what they want to hear politically.  To be sure, the GOP and the worldly elements of it  all is not as "of Christ" as it pretends to be. Many Christians simply fall into the very strong conforming elements of this world by believing in "man" and his so-called "right" political affiliations to fix what ails us a a society
Jamesone5 "


I disagree with this assessment.  The USA is suppose to be the land of opportunity for all who put forth the effort to be successful.  Taking from the rich to give to the poor was tried in 1917 by the Bolshvicks and it did not work for Russia and it will not work for America.  If fair share is what this administration wants, then overhaul the tax code for everyone. 

As for Obamacare, regarding false teachers ....that was pretty much done under false pretensions... as this legislation was passed without any of the written documents read fully.. and now it is coming to light just how expensive and unequal this bill will become.

There is secularism everywhere and the government is not immuned.  However, I believe that there are christian men and women who have a talent and a passion to try to get as much done in our government that would be fair and equiable for all mankind. 

Both parties could use a good "housecleaning" and an immediate return the morality.

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2013, 10:00:03 AM »
On the Republican side, there really is a definitive sense that not only is greed OK, but it's needed for a vibrant economy. And the word  "freedom" is invoked to justify greed, along with many other arguments. As "the love of money produces it's many evils" a lot of the arguments that people adopt on the GOP side is a sense of personal selfishness. During the Healthcare debates over Obamacare, one argument that got a lot of traction in arguing against it all could be summed up as "Me and how it all affects me". That the Government might force "me" to pay more because "I" would  have to subsidize all those deadbeats in our society as well. And the GOP certainly has an abundance of false teachers who, through their radio and television programs will cause many to bear a lot of "false witness" against Obama and Democrats and thus people end up passing on a lot of political nonsense because they have "lifted up these false teachers who simply tell them what they want to hear politically.  To be sure, the GOP and the worldly elements of it  all is not as "of Christ" as it pretends to be. Many Christians simply fall into the very strong conforming elements of this world by believing in "man" and his so-called "right" political affiliations to fix what ails us a a society
Jamesone5


I disagree with this assessment.  The USA is suppose to be the land of opportunity for all who put forth the effort to be successful.  Taking from the rich to give to the poor was tried in 1917 by the Bolshvicks and it did not work for Russia and it will not work for America.  If fair share is what this administration wants, then overhaul the tax code for everyone. 

As for Obamacare, regarding false teachers ....that was pretty much done under false pretensions... as this legislation was passed without any of the written documents read fully.. and now it is coming to light just how expensive and unequal this bill will become.

There is secularism everywhere and the government is not immuned.  However, I believe that there are christian men and women who have a talent and a passion to try to get as much done in our government that would be fair and equiable for all mankind. 

Both parties could use a good "housecleaning" and an immediate return the morality.

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2013, 10:04:21 AM »
Okay folks as you can see I am not very good at modifying my posts.  Only meant to have modified once and yet I've done it 3 times.  Sorry and hope to learn how to do it better.

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2013, 11:49:11 AM »
On the Republican side, there really is a definitive sense that not only is greed OK, but it's needed for a vibrant economy. And the word  "freedom" is invoked to justify greed, along with many other arguments. As "the love of money produces it's many evils" a lot of the arguments that people adopt on the GOP side is a sense of personal selfishness. During the Healthcare debates over Obamacare, one argument that got a lot of traction in arguing against it all could be summed up as "Me and how it all affects me". That the Government might force "me" to pay more because "I" would  have to subsidize all those deadbeats in our society as well. And the GOP certainly has an abundance of false teachers who, through their radio and television programs will cause many to bear a lot of "false witness" against Obama and Democrats and thus people end up passing on a lot of political nonsense because they have "lifted up these false teachers who simply tell them what they want to hear politically.  To be sure, the GOP and the worldly elements of it  all is not as "of Christ" as it pretends to be. Many Christians simply fall into the very strong conforming elements of this world by believing in "man" and his so-called "right" political affiliations to fix what ails us a a society
Jamesone5


I disagree with this assessment.  The USA is suppose to be the land of opportunity for all who put forth the effort to be successful.  Taking from the rich to give to the poor was tried in 1917 by the Bolshvicks and it did not work for Russia and it will not work for America.  If fair share is what this administration wants, then overhaul the tax code for everyone. 

As for Obamacare, regarding false teachers ....that was pretty much done under false pretensions... as this legislation was passed without any of the written documents read fully.. and now it is coming to light just how expensive and unequal this bill will become.

There is secularism everywhere and the government is not immuned.  However, I believe that there are christian men and women who have a talent and a passion to try to get as much done in our government that would be fair and equiable for all mankind. 

Both parties could use a good "housecleaning" and an immediate return the morality
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It really matters not what the Bolshiviks did in 1917 because it is comparing apples to oranges here as the political systems are different. And, the argument that we are stealing from the rich to give to the poor is really a non-argument when one considers the fact that in the 50's, the 60's and the 70's this Nation went through the greatest economic expansions in the History of the world through much higher tax rates. Yes, I would agree to overhaul the tax code for all of us, which is how I've e-mailed my Senators and Congressperson.

As to Obamacare and false teachers---no one on either side really solidly addressed the fact that it all comes down to the fact that higher premiums and less coverage will be the result for all of us, whether the system is overhauled or not. Too many Uninsured  that we all have to pay  for and a very dysfunctional Healthcare delivery system  and  thus the question remains--"Do we allow some controls to bring about a semblance of functionality and get more of the Uninsured covered Or do we continue to kick the can down the road? It's simply amazing how many non-healthcare related dollars we each pay out in the current system. At one point during the debates before the [admittedly]  "rammed-through" affordable Healthcare Act the Insurance and Hospital Industries were spending upwards of 10 million  a week to shape the  arguments of the public against it all---it all came down to how it would affect these Industries and their bottom lines.

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2013, 11:53:04 PM »
As Christian's I believe we should be helping the poor and needy. About 14 years ago I joined a church which was against all government aasistance to the poor and needy. This concept was part of the doctrine of the church and was discussed in a class that they called Foundations that had to be taken for membership. They felt that it was the responsibility of the church and families to help people not the government. I told them that I did not agree with this but they accepted me into the church because it was not part of their core doctrine. I am willing to bet that there are members of this forum who recieve government benefits: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security Disability, Veterans benefits. Generallly in our society unless you are elderly or disabled medical benefits are part of your employment contract or agreement. There are however many people who work and who may have a serious medical condition, for example diabetes, which is very common and yet have no medical insurance. Because they cannot afford essential medications or treatments  they do wthout until they become disabled to the point that they no longer are able to work and then are able to qualify for medical assistance. People who have adeqaute medical insurance in many cases either lack compassion or awareness of what people without medical insurance or adequate medical insurance face. As Christians we have a responsibility to be our brothers keeper, to care about what happens to others and to support government policy that promotes the health of all of our citizens. Please understand that I believe in hard work, and sacrifice, including sacrifice for needy brothers and sisters, as laying down our lives is part of the narrow path that we must walk.

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2013, 12:47:05 AM »
I would not classify Social Security or VA Disability as "government benefits," as those are paid for in advance (with the payment of VA disability being made in blood) and are things which the beneficiary has a contractual entitlement to receive.  These are truly "entitlement programs" which both serve great functions in our nation.  I, as well as other members of my family, get VA Disability benefits which we earned on the battlefield.  Other members of my family have paid into the SSA their entire working lives with the understanding that after they retired, they would receive that money back as monthly payments to help with the costs of living after retirement.  These aren't unearned programs which should be done away with. 

I do agree that most of the social safety nets in place today should be done by the private sector, individuals, and churches.  The problem though, is that many of these people and groups simply refuse to help others either through a lack of religious belief or civic duty and therefore the government has stepped in to take over where private groups have stopped short. 

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2013, 05:14:22 AM »
Very carefully.  We should have as little to do with it as possible.  You have a right to vote, but not the right to speak evil of those in powers.  This world is not our world, we are looking and seeking for another one.  We should have the mind of Christ concerning such things. John 18:36.  We should never allow them or anyone else to speak evil of the God we profess to love and believe in.  This is their world, let them have it. I refuse to listen to men such as radio and TV men who are on each sides speaking evil of each other, and wasting my time, hearing lies from both sides!

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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2013, 08:10:06 AM »
The Lord should be Lord of our politics as well.
If we have been translated from thne kingdom  of darkness into the kingdom of Gods dear Son.

Then the greater  always included the lesser.Never the other way round.

Then it is the 'politics' if you will of the kingdom of God that should rule our hearts and minds .Not democrats or republicans  or  UK parties.

Think of three different countries . Make them different  and that you have some knowlodge of.

If what rules and governs that country  is found to rule and govern your country.Then what you find in that country will be found in yours.
That beign true .So also is this.
If what rules and governs a person  in that country ,is still found to rule and govern  them in your country.
Then what they had and built there they will have and build in your country.

In respect of the UK.

The Saxons did it.
The Danes.
Vikings
Normans.
and indeed so did the English.

That being  irefutable .

This also is true.

If what rules and governs heaven. Is found to rule and govern earth. Then what you find in heaven.You will find on earth.

or have you forgotten "Thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth a sit is in heaven"?

That being true .This also is true.

If what ruled and governed a person  in heaven. Was or is found  to rule and govern that person  on earth.
Then what they have in heaven .They will manifest and build on earth.

The kingdoms of this world will become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ"
and"........ every knee shall.  bow and every tounge confess that Jesus  Christ is Lord"

in Christ
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« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2013, 02:15:41 AM »
Very carefully.  We should have as little to do with it as possible.  You have a right to vote, but not the right to speak evil of those in powers.  This world is not our world, we are looking and seeking for another one.  We should have the mind of Christ concerning such things. John 18:36.  We should never allow them or anyone else to speak evil of the God we profess to love and believe in.  This is their world, let them have it. I refuse to listen to men such as radio and TV men who are on each sides speaking evil of each other, and wasting my time, hearing lies from both sides!

RB

Yeah, I guess we should just ignore the North Koreans and the atrocities of a certain other religion that will remain nameless, and not bother supporting the politicians who come against them or thwarting the politicians who enable them. We should ignore the plight of the unborn, torn apart in their mothers wombs, where God Himself knit them together and say nothing of the politicians who support, encourage, and expect you to pay for such outrages.

God will judge us for what we have done and not done in this world before we gain entrance to the next. This is not a dress rehearsal.

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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2013, 02:31:44 AM »
As Christians we have a responsibility to be our brothers keeper, to care about what happens to others and to support government policy that promotes the health of all of our citizens. Please understand that I believe in hard work, and sacrifice, including sacrifice for needy brothers and sisters, as laying down our lives is part of the narrow path that we must walk.


The problem is that the government is NOT there when needed, I have had not one but TWO disabilities (one was corrected by surgery that I had to go back to work to obtain) and was refused SSDI because I have heard it said they refuse everybody the first time. Plus, you have to live with your disability and be out of work for a YEAR before you can even apply for SSDI.

Then to add insult to injury I see things like this:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/20/adult-baby-claims-disability-checks-will-continue-despite-coburn-complaint/

Once upon a time you may have been able to count on the government to keep it's word, that time has passed. I entered the ministry to do just what you are suggesting, to care for the sick, but I am only one person.
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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2013, 03:19:57 AM »
We should pray and fight for what we believe in. My Member of parliament is a Christian, so I have no problem voting for him. I believe that we should vote, that its our responsibility, and many believers are called into politics and I admire them, especially in the UK where being a Christian in the public eye is very hard and not at all popular.

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2014, 02:30:28 PM »
We as believers need to understand politics in relation to our purpose in this world. Our purpose is to bring people into God's kingdom, not to be concerned with the cares (or issues) of this world. God's kingdom is the believers real world for the Word says how God's kingdom is within the believer (Luke 17:21). If the believer is walking in the Spirit of God as opposed to the flesh (the things of this world) then that person is living in the Spirit of God's kingdom. This world and the kingdoms of this world are not God's world for Jesus himself said, "My kingdom is not of this world..." (John 18:36). Jesus also said speaking of this physical world that the "prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me (John 14:30). Again Jesus says of the believers and himself, "They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world" (John 17:16).

Our purpose is then not of the things of the world, but the bringing of those people in the world into God's world.  We should heed the warning of Jesus in Matthew 13:22 when he says, "He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world...choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful." The purpose of Jesus was to suffer and die for our sins so that we could "have life" and have it "more abundantly" ( John 10:10). We are to walk in faith, not fear. Hebrews 11:1 tells us that "faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." By faith, even one believer is more powerful than all evil combined because they are living from God's Spirit. Believers should have so much faith in God that they believe great movements of God's love and power spread throughout the world causing the people to come to salvation rather than focusing on this sin or that one while people are dying and going to hell. Rather than the message of the gospel being choked out by the things of the world help to get people saved so they will understand and want to be part of God's wonderful ways.

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Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2014, 08:24:31 PM »
I think Christians should just stay very far away from politics. It's not as if our involvement is going to improve anything. The world is only going to get worse as Jesus prepares to return, so what's the point? We can only poison our own souls by getting involved in the pettiness, corruption, and duplicity of politics. Just leave the godless heathens alone to prepare the way for the anti-Christ.