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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #120 on: December 28, 2010, 02:42:16 PM »
the fact no new ideas are forthcoming
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This is untrue as well I suggest you go back and read through the thread.
Okay, I reviewed the entire thread. Not one new idea(s) (beyond my well trashed proposal).

If I overlooked something, please direct me to it.
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« Reply #121 on: December 28, 2010, 02:46:48 PM »
Holding politicians accountable IS the change we need. Not passive anything. Politics is an active full contact sport, nothing passive protest is NOT the answer ACTIVE in their face accountability is needed and what has been missing. First chapter written by the Tea Party. UNITY in action not inaction is requiredm No politician cares who good people don't vote for. 
Yah, "hold them accountable". Never heard that before.  ::doh::

And you think the pols wouldn't notice that several million organized believers boycotted an election? They may not be our best and brightest, but even they would notice that!!
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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #122 on: December 28, 2010, 03:21:18 PM »
Holding politicians accountable IS the change we need. Not passive anything. Politics is an active full contact sport, nothing passive protest is NOT the answer ACTIVE in their face accountability is needed and what has been missing. First chapter written by the Tea Party. UNITY in action not inaction is requiredm No politician cares who good people don't vote for. 
Yah, "hold them accountable". Never heard that before.  ::doh::

And you think the pols wouldn't notice that several million organized believers boycotted an election? They may not be our best and brightest, but even they would notice that!!


it doesn't matter if it has been heard before. What matters is what is actually being applied. "new" does not automatically indicate better. There are so many variables involved that it is impossible to narrow the fix down to just one thing like not voting. Maybe the answer is not a new idea but old ones actually being put to application.

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« Reply #123 on: December 28, 2010, 03:35:28 PM »
Holding politicians accountable IS the change we need. Not passive anything. Politics is an active full contact sport, nothing passive protest is NOT the answer ACTIVE in their face accountability is needed and what has been missing. First chapter written by the Tea Party. UNITY in action not inaction is requiredm No politician cares who good people don't vote for.  
Yah, "hold them accountable". Never heard that before.  ::doh::

And you think the pols wouldn't notice that several million organized believers boycotted an election? They may not be our best and brightest, but even they would notice that!!


it doesn't matter if it has been heard before. What matters is what is actually being applied. "new" does not automatically indicate better. There are so many variables involved that it is impossible to narrow the fix down to just one thing like not voting. Maybe the answer is not a new idea but old ones actually being put to application.
Agreed. And what I propose was first proposed nearly two thousand years old. And again, the not voting is a one time thing meant to make a statement- and create unity.  It's the unity He proposes. Then, the "application" begins.

And also again, I'm open to ideas, to new ways of applying the old if that be the best course, but as stated, I reviewed this entire thread and no new ideas, no new applications- just criticism.
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« Reply #124 on: December 28, 2010, 03:38:31 PM »
Holding politicians accountable IS the change we need. Not passive anything. Politics is an active full contact sport, nothing passive protest is NOT the answer ACTIVE in their face accountability is needed and what has been missing. First chapter written by the Tea Party. UNITY in action not inaction is requiredm No politician cares who good people don't vote for.  
Yah, "hold them accountable". Never heard that before.  ::doh::

And you think the pols wouldn't notice that several million organized believers boycotted an election? They may not be our best and brightest, but even they would notice that!!


it doesn't matter if it has been heard before. What matters is what is actually being applied. "new" does not automatically indicate better. There are so many variables involved that it is impossible to narrow the fix down to just one thing like not voting. Maybe the answer is not a new idea but old ones actually being put to application.
Agreed. And what I propose was first proposed nearly two thousand years old. And again, the not voting is a one time thing meant to make a statement- and create unity.  It's the unity He proposes. Then, the "application" begins.

And also again, I'm open to ideas, to new ways of applying the old if that be the best course, but as stated, I reviewed this entire thread and no new ideas, no new applications- just criticism.


then you need to go back an read it again

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« Reply #125 on: December 28, 2010, 03:41:24 PM »
Holding politicians accountable IS the change we need. Not passive anything. Politics is an active full contact sport, nothing passive protest is NOT the answer ACTIVE in their face accountability is needed and what has been missing. First chapter written by the Tea Party. UNITY in action not inaction is requiredm No politician cares who good people don't vote for.  
Yah, "hold them accountable". Never heard that before.  ::doh::

And you think the pols wouldn't notice that several million organized believers boycotted an election? They may not be our best and brightest, but even they would notice that!!


it doesn't matter if it has been heard before. What matters is what is actually being applied. "new" does not automatically indicate better. There are so many variables involved that it is impossible to narrow the fix down to just one thing like not voting. Maybe the answer is not a new idea but old ones actually being put to application.
Agreed. And what I propose was first proposed nearly two thousand years old. And again, the not voting is a one time thing meant to make a statement- and create unity.  It's the unity He proposes. Then, the "application" begins.

And also again, I'm open to ideas, to new ways of applying the old if that be the best course, but as stated, I reviewed this entire thread and no new ideas, no new applications- just criticism.


then you need to go back an read it again
I will ask again, if you find any new ideas in this thread, please point them out to me. I have found none. You can keep telling me to read again, or supply what you are talking about.
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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #126 on: December 28, 2010, 03:51:01 PM »
Several million good people not voting happens now. It gets no one's attention, other than the rhankfulness of the not so good. Hold politicians accountable. That is the ACTION that is missing. The Inaction of 20 million voters will only elect the not so good. A C C O U N T A B I L I T Y. It works when utilized. We have dropped that ball. Let's pick it up rather than putting the ball bakc in the rack.
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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #127 on: December 28, 2010, 03:54:13 PM »
If it is beyobd our ability to hold polticians accountable, it certainly will do no good to take a sword and fall on it it revolt. Hold the sword to their necks, unilateral mass disarming will only cause uncontrollable laughter.
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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #128 on: December 28, 2010, 03:57:39 PM »
How can accountability be so weird? We haven't utilized it in a long time which got us where we are. But threatening a sit in voter strike will send a message of horror? Don't think so.
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« Reply #129 on: December 28, 2010, 04:19:25 PM »
Several million good people not voting happens now. It gets no one's attention, other than the rhankfulness of the not so good. Hold politicians accountable. That is the ACTION that is missing. The Inaction of 20 million voters will only elect the not so good. A C C O U N T A B I L I T Y. It works when utilized. We have dropped that ball. Let's pick it up rather than putting the ball bakc in the rack.
It gets no attention because it is not a unified, advertised, in the news, from one base, effort. You want to hold the pols accountable? Develop a bloc of votes that changes the whole definition of those pols before they ever run. You bet, pick up the ball, but don't play the same old game.
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« Reply #130 on: December 28, 2010, 04:29:13 PM »
How can accountability be so weird? We haven't utilized it in a long time which got us where we are. But threatening a sit in voter strike will send a message of horror? Don't think so.
Nothing weird about accountability. What's weird is convincing yourself you have it when you don't. Accountablity is enforced by voting in new people. Only problem with that is that the new ones are cut from the same cloth as those that were thrown out. Developing a unified front based on the commandments of Christ will bring actual new people into the mix. The bloc established and made public in protest becomes a force that cannot be ignored. You think something great was accomplished in Nov. with the repub sweep. Mark my words, if you are honest with yourself, you are going to be very disappointed.

But then, I suppose you can hold them all accountable at the next election and put the dems back in. History repeating itself. Doing what we've always done and getting what we always get.
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« Reply #131 on: December 28, 2010, 04:30:03 PM »
Holding pols accountable is NOT the same old game. It's an ancient art that has been lost. Let's do the ACTIVE accountability. Calm complaining does no good, it has to be a hog squeal that can be heard in the halls of congress and cause them to be afraid to face those that elected them. I envision wide eyed looks of shear terror on the faces of politicians similar to those town meetings televised this summer.  Elections are affected by non-voters only in the way not intended. Let's try accountability. If we can't do that the way the system was designed, we have no business even entering grownup conversation about politics. If accountability, real accountability doesn't work, we all might as well just appoint a dictator, and forget it. We are not at wits end, we are where we should have been 25 or 30 years ago in frustration. We got lazy. It's a call to action, not a call to inaction.
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« Reply #132 on: December 28, 2010, 04:35:08 PM »
Yep, you have close to 11,000 posts- 99% of which are poor attempts at humor, mention of the word "buggery", or putting others down. Quite clearly, you have not followed my posts ( except to be critical) or you would know my "only idea" is to unify under Christ's commandments. The "not voting" is meant as a vehicle for that unity.

Why is not voting the vehicle for that unity?  Why can't it be pounding sand?

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Basically, people can participate by doing absolutely nothing. Again, if you had followed my posts you would know the not voting is only a starter, and that I believe everyone should vote- in unity, as one, with common purpose, by His commandments.

Well, not vote or vote in unity, which is it?  We could settle this all by just everyone waiting until I instruct them how to vote.  Obviously, those who vote differently are troublemakers and divisive.

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In a forum such as this, you have the opportunity to express ideas, to possibly arrive at something better, or you can simply use it to inflate your ego by putting others down. As always, your choice.

I'm not putting you down, just asking you to come down voluntarily from your moral high horse and wait with anticipation for my voting instructions.  
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« Reply #133 on: December 28, 2010, 04:38:45 PM »
Holding pols accountable is NOT the same old game. It's an ancient art that has been lost. Let's do the ACTIVE accountability. Calm complaining does no good, it has to be a hog squeal that can be heard in the halls of congress and cause them to be afraid to face those that elected them. I envision wide eyed looks of shear terror on the faces of politicians similar to those town meetings televised this summer.  Elections are affected by non-voters only in the way not intended. Let's try accountability. If we can't do that the way the system was designed, we have no business even entering grownup conversation about politics. If accountability, real accountability doesn't work, we all might as well just appoint a dictator, and forget it. We are not at wits end, we are where we should have been 25 or 30 years ago in frustration. We got lazy. It's a call to action, not a call to inaction.
Yep, I advocate action- real action that might finally make a difference. First, you have to have that starting point of unity. I am giving you that starting point. If you got a better one, I'm all ears. And no, the tea party is not the blueprint. They have done exactly what's been done in the past. Big rallies, flag waving, lots of noise, but nothing that speaks to a real unity. Unified nonparticipation, well publicized, with specific demands set forth will change everything that follows. You want action? That's real action.
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« Reply #134 on: December 28, 2010, 04:45:08 PM »
Yep, you have close to 11,000 posts- 99% of which are poor attempts at humor, mention of the word "buggery", or putting others down. Quite clearly, you have not followed my posts ( except to be critical) or you would know my "only idea" is to unify under Christ's commandments. The "not voting" is meant as a vehicle for that unity.

Why is not voting the vehicle for that unity?  Why can't it be pounding sand?

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Basically, people can participate by doing absolutely nothing. Again, if you had followed my posts you would know the not voting is only a starter, and that I believe everyone should vote- in unity, as one, with common purpose, by His commandments.

Well, not vote or vote in unity, which is it?  We could settle this all by just everyone waiting until I instruct them how to vote.  Obviously, those who vote differently are troublemakers and divisive.

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In a forum such as this, you have the opportunity to express ideas, to possibly arrive at something better, or you can simply use it to inflate your ego by putting others down. As always, your choice.

I'm not putting you down, just asking you to come down voluntarily from your moral high horse and wait with anticipation for my voting instructions.  
The not voting could well be pounding sand. It is also trying something new. Doing the same will result in the same. That has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

As stated many times, the "not vote" is to set up for a unified vote. It is to also serve notice to the potential candidates that there is a unified bloc that has demands to be met. Also, it's the opportunity for "Christians" to actually unite by doing nothing. Couldn't make it much easier.

I'm not on a "high horse" and have asked all in this discussion for their ideas. That's real ideas, not simply for giggles.
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