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« Reply #105 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 12:51:20 »
Nick I support your idea of putting down folks that do nothing as in not voting, ie equivalecy of pounding sand. Plus I assume you and I are on the same "no discuss list". A great future time saver. Watch out Larry you could be next on her list.

I will discuss any and all things with anyone that truly wishes to have a discussion. When the conversation becomes nothing more than one side puffing their chest, offering "holier than thou", and attempting pointless humor, I will stand aside.

My time is short. I still hope to make this world a better place before I go. I don't know if He has something for me to do to contribute along those lines, but I am trying.

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« Reply #106 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 13:53:20 »
Crow I know you believe you are not puffing out your chest in a holier than thou manner, but it does come across that way. Just being honest with you. There are many good people here and it seems to some of us you think you have the answers. I don't think you do, but God bless your efforts. Just don't think you are adrift in a sea of spiritual morons here.

You said your time is short and I hope that is not referring to an illness or something. Of course all of us are short timers here on this planet.

Anyway, best of luck! Seriously.

And please vote! :-)

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« Reply #107 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 14:03:01 »
Crow I know you believe you are not puffing out your chest in a holier than thou manner, but it does come across that way. Just being honest with you. There are many good people here and it seems to some of us you think you have the answers. I don't think you do, but God bless your efforts. Just don't think you are adrift in a sea of spiritual morons here.

You said your time is short and I hope that is not referring to an illness or something. Of course all of us are short timers here on this planet.

Anyway, best of luck! Seriously.

And please vote! :-)
All I'm trying to do is offer some new ideas. It is obvious that the old ones don't work. To simply put down the new without proposing other possibilites serves no one. It would be like fire fighters letting a person perish because they always entered through the front door, but the front door is not accessible- even though one new guy suggests they might go around back.

At this moment, a child is being abused. Another is starving to death. A young woman is selling her body. A young man sticking a needle in his arm. Now, we can try something different and see if those things can be prevented in the future, or we can rationalize we're doing what God wants by doing what we've always done.

I don't think that I have the answers. I think He does, and I think He gave us those answers long ago.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #108 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 14:27:02 »
Just wanted you to know my true feelings. I am a faithful Christian and I presume you are. Let's all be the best we can be and unify when we can. But I will continue dogging you on the voting thing until someone surgically removes my blackberry from my cold dead hands. I am in no way against anything you propose other than a mass sit down strike on voting. I'm sorry but that's my true feelings.

I agree it's not profitable for us to continue discussion. I won't address you directly, but have no fear I will counter your voting sit down strike until my last breath or keystroke.


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« Reply #109 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 14:43:34 »
Just wanted you to know my true feelings. I am a faithful Christian and I presume you are. Let's all be the best we can be and unify when we can. But I will continue dogging you on the voting thing until someone surgically removes my blackberry from my cold dead hands. I am in no way against anything you propose other than a mass sit down strike on voting. I'm sorry but that's my true feelings.

I agree it's not profitable for us to continue discussion. I won't address you directly, but have no fear I will counter your voting sit down strike until my last breath or keystroke.


I have carefully and continously explained the not voting. It is a starting point, nothing more. Foregoing one election cycle to develop unity could change everything. But if you cannot do that, then continue doing what you've always done and continue getting what you've always got, I suppose.

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« Reply #110 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 14:47:23 »
Just wanted you to know my true feelings. I am a faithful Christian and I presume you are. Let's all be the best we can be and unify when we can. But I will continue dogging you on the voting thing until someone surgically removes my blackberry from my cold dead hands. I am in no way against anything you propose other than a mass sit down strike on voting. I'm sorry but that's my true feelings.

I agree it's not profitable for us to continue discussion. I won't address you directly, but have no fear I will counter your voting sit down strike until my last breath or keystroke.


I have carefully and continously explained the not voting. It is a starting point, nothing more. Foregoing one election cycle to develop unity could change everything. But if you cannot do that, then continue doing what you've always done and continue getting what you've always got, I suppose.

The problem with what you say is that it should be done your way or the only alternative is to do what has always been done. This presents the attitude that you

1. have all the answers on this issue,
2. have the only answer on this issue,
3. if no one else does it your way then they are in the wrong.

Maybe you have failed to communicate your position they way you intended it to be understood.

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« Reply #111 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 14:50:02 »

If you see a relationship with Christ as simply one on one, then what I say will mean nothing to you. If instead you see strength in the Body, the potential in unity, a greater love for our Lord and our neighbors in working together, then, it might. You say, "we all march to the God of our salvation according to His direction for each of us through the Holy Spirit," but I have to assume that direction does not include His commandments and His call for us to become One in the Body in your thinking. You say, "He shall supply all our need," but have to assume you think those needs aren't to be filled as One in the Body.

Two thousand years ago very specific- and simple- commandments and direction were given to the first believers. They did their best for a time, but over time it all began to fracture. No unity, no oneness, and no longer so specific and simple to understand. Different takes on all this began to encroach. Judgements and rationalizations and justifications to stray away from the commandments and directions.  The purity of our Savior, the course of the path, the progression to the worldly living He wishes His children to have all became blurred. And from that seems to have come the rationalization that commandments aren't necessarily commandments, that the Body does not mean unity, and we, as individuals, really don't have to do anything but say we believe Christ died for our sins.

There is a better life waiting to happen. Yes, "He shall supply all our need," but we are settling for so much less than He wants to supply. And that "supply" flows through us, not just to us. We are commissioned- no, we are commanded to find that better life. The love for our Lord and the love for one another are not suggestions, and they have nothing to do with eternal salvation. He gave those commandments for now, for this earthly time of living. He has given us eternity, and said, "It is finished", but has also given us the means for better right now. His work is done. Ours was supposed to begin long ago. Separately, we may find eternity, but together we change the world. But nothing changes unless we try. All I'm trying to do (by His direction) is get people to try.



You have truly taken the same ride on this merry-go-around to the nth degree, and still present no plan except boycotting voting; did God show this to you in His word of commands?

I did not see you helping those families in our assembly so I suspect you did not participate in the unity we had; oh the shame of it all. Listen closely if you will. If I follow God's instruction to me, and you follow God's commands to me, we will have unity; if not you just go your away and I'll go mine and I would suggest in not further accusing or suggesting others of not following God because they don't jump onto your bandwagon.

I've heard similar things in the following scripture.
Mark 14:3  And being in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as he sat at meat, there came a woman having an alabaster box of ointment of spikenard very precious; and she brake the box, and poured it on his head.
Mark 14:4  And there were some that had indignation within themselves, and said, Why was this waste of the ointment made?
Mark 14:5  For it might have been sold for more than three hundred pence, and have been given to the poor. And they murmured against her.
Mark 14:6  And Jesus said, Let her alone; why trouble ye her? she hath wrought a good work on me.
Mark 14:7  For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.
 
John 12:5  Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?

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« Reply #112 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 14:55:34 »
Just wanted you to know my true feelings. I am a faithful Christian and I presume you are. Let's all be the best we can be and unify when we can. But I will continue dogging you on the voting thing until someone surgically removes my blackberry from my cold dead hands. I am in no way against anything you propose other than a mass sit down strike on voting. I'm sorry but that's my true feelings.

I agree it's not profitable for us to continue discussion. I won't address you directly, but have no fear I will counter your voting sit down strike until my last breath or keystroke.


I have carefully and continuously explained the not voting. It is a starting point, nothing more. Foregoing one election cycle to develop unity could change everything. But if you cannot do that, then continue doing what you've always done and continue getting what you've always got, I suppose.

The problem with what you say is that it should be done your way or the only alternative is to do what has always been done. This presents the attitude that you

1. have all the answers on this issue,
2. have the only answer on this issue,
3. if no one else does it your way then they are in the wrong.

Maybe you have failed to communicate your position they way you intended it to be understood.
In all cases, I offer my opinions expecting to get the opinions of others in return, and have said several times that I truly don't know if this is the best course or not. The hope in any discussion is to arrive at the best possible solution. Now, since no one is offering anything but "do what we've always done", I would say the "discussion" has been pointless.

The tried and failed is there for everyone to see. It's long past time for some new ideas. I offer mine and receive much in the way of criticism, but nothing in the way of other new ideas. The logical conclusion is those responding think everything is just fine as it is. Well, it is not, but it is up to each person to see that on their own. I cannot cure blindness.

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« Reply #113 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 15:07:35 »

If you see a relationship with Christ as simply one on one, then what I say will mean nothing to you. If instead you see strength in the Body, the potential in unity, a greater love for our Lord and our neighbors in working together, then, it might. You say, "we all march to the God of our salvation according to His direction for each of us through the Holy Spirit," but I have to assume that direction does not include His commandments and His call for us to become One in the Body in your thinking. You say, "He shall supply all our need," but have to assume you think those needs aren't to be filled as One in the Body.

Two thousand years ago very specific- and simple- commandments and direction were given to the first believers. They did their best for a time, but over time it all began to fracture. No unity, no oneness, and no longer so specific and simple to understand. Different takes on all this began to encroach. Judgements and rationalizations and justifications to stray away from the commandments and directions.  The purity of our Savior, the course of the path, the progression to the worldly living He wishes His children to have all became blurred. And from that seems to have come the rationalization that commandments aren't necessarily commandments, that the Body does not mean unity, and we, as individuals, really don't have to do anything but say we believe Christ died for our sins.

There is a better life waiting to happen. Yes, "He shall supply all our need," but we are settling for so much less than He wants to supply. And that "supply" flows through us, not just to us. We are commissioned- no, we are commanded to find that better life. The love for our Lord and the love for one another are not suggestions, and they have nothing to do with eternal salvation. He gave those commandments for now, for this earthly time of living. He has given us eternity, and said, "It is finished", but has also given us the means for better right now. His work is done. Ours was supposed to begin long ago. Separately, we may find eternity, but together we change the world. But nothing changes unless we try. All I'm trying to do (by His direction) is get people to try.



You have truly taken the same ride on this merry-go-around to the nth degree, and still present no plan except boycotting voting; did God show this to you in His word of commands?

I did not see you helping those families in our assembly so I suspect you did not participate in the unity we had; oh the shame of it all. Listen closely if you will. If I follow God's instruction to me, and you follow God's commands to me, we will have unity; if not you just go your away and I'll go mine and I would suggest in not further accusing or suggesting others of not following God because they don't jump onto your bandwagon.

I've heard similar things in the following scripture.
Mark 14:3  And being in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as he sat at meat, there came a woman having an alabaster box of ointment of spikenard very precious; and she brake the box, and poured it on his head.
Mark 14:4  And there were some that had indignation within themselves, and said, Why was this waste of the ointment made?
Mark 14:5  For it might have been sold for more than three hundred pence, and have been given to the poor. And they murmured against her.
Mark 14:6  And Jesus said, Let her alone; why trouble ye her? she hath wrought a good work on me.
Mark 14:7  For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.
 
John 12:5  Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
I have presented much of the past couple of years in a desire for unity. The voting issue is just one small thing- a possible place to get believers together behind the same cause, working towards the same results within the political system. Yes, God has shown me this to be a possibility. He shows me many things to be possibilities.

And I have accused no one of not following God. I do accuse all of not doing better- including myself. When I suggest something new it is met with, "Oh no, we must do what we've always done!" Where is the better in that?

As for your quoting of Mark, if you want to apply it to me and my efforts, then consider the real message of the woman and the alabaster box. She faithfully honored His first commandment. I am attempting to honor His second.

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« Reply #114 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 15:15:30 »
The logical conclusion is those responding think everything is just fine as it is.

This is not a logical conclusion at all but merely an assumption probably based what what you want to assume more than anything else. There are other reasons why one may not offer to you on this discussion any other alternatives. But if you are wanting to condemn those who do not agree with you then you set up false "logical conclusions".

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« Reply #115 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 15:22:30 »
Just because a bunch of people don't want to try an obvious loony idea, we are happy with the status quo? No way. The Tea Party made great inroads into change this last cycle. Perfect, not al all, but the true beginnings od a sea change for sure. Good people not voting is no solution or a threat to anything other good sense. Let's work on the unify and skip the sit down strike. Thank God, the people tired of Pelosi didn't try the sit down strike this November. We HOLD them accountable and scream like stiuck hogs if they don't do right. Good people sitting out is only good for bad.

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« Reply #116 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 15:25:10 »
The logical conclusion is those responding think everything is just fine as it is.

This is not a logical conclusion at all but merely an assumption probably based what what you want to assume more than anything else. There are other reasons why one may not offer to you on this discussion any other alternatives. But if you are wanting to condemn those who do not agree with you then you set up false "logical conclusions".


Correct. It is an assumption on my part based on the fact no new ideas are forthcoming. Logical conclusion is probably too strong of a term. I stand corrected.

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« Reply #117 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 15:29:32 »
the fact no new ideas are forthcoming
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This is untrue as well I suggest you go back and read through the thread.

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« Reply #118 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 15:32:17 »
Just because a bunch of people don't want to try an obvious loony idea, we are happy with the status quo? No way. The Tea Party made great inroads into change this last cycle. Perfect, not al all, but the true beginnings od a sea change for sure. Good people not voting is no solution or a threat to anything other good sense. Let's work on the unify and skip the sit down strike. Thank God, the people tired of Pelosi didn't try the sit down strike this November. We HOLD them accountable and scream like stiuck hogs if they don't do right. Good people sitting out is only good for bad.
Then offer something that produces unity. Every new idea has to have a starting point. I have offered one (which you rule as "obvious loony idea"), you don't like it, but present nothing yourself- except the do what we've always done.

And BTW, based on your "lesser of two evils" approach, I doubt very much if you will scream like stuck hogs if and when your folks don't do as you wish. LOTE will still comfort you they are better than Pelosi.  ::noworries::

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« Reply #119 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 15:32:23 »
Holding politicians accountable IS the change we need. Not passive anything. Politics is an active full contact sport, nothing passive protest is NOT the answer ACTIVE in their face accountability is needed and what has been missing. First chapter written by the Tea Party. UNITY in action not inaction is requiredm No politician cares who good people don't vote for. 

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« Reply #120 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 15:42:16 »
the fact no new ideas are forthcoming
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This is untrue as well I suggest you go back and read through the thread.
Okay, I reviewed the entire thread. Not one new idea(s) (beyond my well trashed proposal).

If I overlooked something, please direct me to it.
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« Reply #121 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 15:46:48 »
Holding politicians accountable IS the change we need. Not passive anything. Politics is an active full contact sport, nothing passive protest is NOT the answer ACTIVE in their face accountability is needed and what has been missing. First chapter written by the Tea Party. UNITY in action not inaction is requiredm No politician cares who good people don't vote for. 
Yah, "hold them accountable". Never heard that before.  ::doh::

And you think the pols wouldn't notice that several million organized believers boycotted an election? They may not be our best and brightest, but even they would notice that!!

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« Reply #122 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 16:21:18 »
Holding politicians accountable IS the change we need. Not passive anything. Politics is an active full contact sport, nothing passive protest is NOT the answer ACTIVE in their face accountability is needed and what has been missing. First chapter written by the Tea Party. UNITY in action not inaction is requiredm No politician cares who good people don't vote for. 
Yah, "hold them accountable". Never heard that before.  ::doh::

And you think the pols wouldn't notice that several million organized believers boycotted an election? They may not be our best and brightest, but even they would notice that!!


it doesn't matter if it has been heard before. What matters is what is actually being applied. "new" does not automatically indicate better. There are so many variables involved that it is impossible to narrow the fix down to just one thing like not voting. Maybe the answer is not a new idea but old ones actually being put to application.

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« Reply #123 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 16:35:28 »
Holding politicians accountable IS the change we need. Not passive anything. Politics is an active full contact sport, nothing passive protest is NOT the answer ACTIVE in their face accountability is needed and what has been missing. First chapter written by the Tea Party. UNITY in action not inaction is requiredm No politician cares who good people don't vote for.  
Yah, "hold them accountable". Never heard that before.  ::doh::

And you think the pols wouldn't notice that several million organized believers boycotted an election? They may not be our best and brightest, but even they would notice that!!


it doesn't matter if it has been heard before. What matters is what is actually being applied. "new" does not automatically indicate better. There are so many variables involved that it is impossible to narrow the fix down to just one thing like not voting. Maybe the answer is not a new idea but old ones actually being put to application.
Agreed. And what I propose was first proposed nearly two thousand years old. And again, the not voting is a one time thing meant to make a statement- and create unity.  It's the unity He proposes. Then, the "application" begins.

And also again, I'm open to ideas, to new ways of applying the old if that be the best course, but as stated, I reviewed this entire thread and no new ideas, no new applications- just criticism.

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« Reply #124 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 16:38:31 »
Holding politicians accountable IS the change we need. Not passive anything. Politics is an active full contact sport, nothing passive protest is NOT the answer ACTIVE in their face accountability is needed and what has been missing. First chapter written by the Tea Party. UNITY in action not inaction is requiredm No politician cares who good people don't vote for.  
Yah, "hold them accountable". Never heard that before.  ::doh::

And you think the pols wouldn't notice that several million organized believers boycotted an election? They may not be our best and brightest, but even they would notice that!!


it doesn't matter if it has been heard before. What matters is what is actually being applied. "new" does not automatically indicate better. There are so many variables involved that it is impossible to narrow the fix down to just one thing like not voting. Maybe the answer is not a new idea but old ones actually being put to application.
Agreed. And what I propose was first proposed nearly two thousand years old. And again, the not voting is a one time thing meant to make a statement- and create unity.  It's the unity He proposes. Then, the "application" begins.

And also again, I'm open to ideas, to new ways of applying the old if that be the best course, but as stated, I reviewed this entire thread and no new ideas, no new applications- just criticism.


then you need to go back an read it again

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« Reply #125 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 16:41:24 »
Holding politicians accountable IS the change we need. Not passive anything. Politics is an active full contact sport, nothing passive protest is NOT the answer ACTIVE in their face accountability is needed and what has been missing. First chapter written by the Tea Party. UNITY in action not inaction is requiredm No politician cares who good people don't vote for.  
Yah, "hold them accountable". Never heard that before.  ::doh::

And you think the pols wouldn't notice that several million organized believers boycotted an election? They may not be our best and brightest, but even they would notice that!!


it doesn't matter if it has been heard before. What matters is what is actually being applied. "new" does not automatically indicate better. There are so many variables involved that it is impossible to narrow the fix down to just one thing like not voting. Maybe the answer is not a new idea but old ones actually being put to application.
Agreed. And what I propose was first proposed nearly two thousand years old. And again, the not voting is a one time thing meant to make a statement- and create unity.  It's the unity He proposes. Then, the "application" begins.

And also again, I'm open to ideas, to new ways of applying the old if that be the best course, but as stated, I reviewed this entire thread and no new ideas, no new applications- just criticism.


then you need to go back an read it again
I will ask again, if you find any new ideas in this thread, please point them out to me. I have found none. You can keep telling me to read again, or supply what you are talking about.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #126 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 16:51:01 »
Several million good people not voting happens now. It gets no one's attention, other than the rhankfulness of the not so good. Hold politicians accountable. That is the ACTION that is missing. The Inaction of 20 million voters will only elect the not so good. A C C O U N T A B I L I T Y. It works when utilized. We have dropped that ball. Let's pick it up rather than putting the ball bakc in the rack.

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« Reply #127 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 16:54:13 »
If it is beyobd our ability to hold polticians accountable, it certainly will do no good to take a sword and fall on it it revolt. Hold the sword to their necks, unilateral mass disarming will only cause uncontrollable laughter.

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« Reply #128 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 16:57:39 »
How can accountability be so weird? We haven't utilized it in a long time which got us where we are. But threatening a sit in voter strike will send a message of horror? Don't think so.

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« Reply #129 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 17:19:25 »
Several million good people not voting happens now. It gets no one's attention, other than the rhankfulness of the not so good. Hold politicians accountable. That is the ACTION that is missing. The Inaction of 20 million voters will only elect the not so good. A C C O U N T A B I L I T Y. It works when utilized. We have dropped that ball. Let's pick it up rather than putting the ball bakc in the rack.
It gets no attention because it is not a unified, advertised, in the news, from one base, effort. You want to hold the pols accountable? Develop a bloc of votes that changes the whole definition of those pols before they ever run. You bet, pick up the ball, but don't play the same old game.

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« Reply #130 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 17:29:13 »
How can accountability be so weird? We haven't utilized it in a long time which got us where we are. But threatening a sit in voter strike will send a message of horror? Don't think so.
Nothing weird about accountability. What's weird is convincing yourself you have it when you don't. Accountablity is enforced by voting in new people. Only problem with that is that the new ones are cut from the same cloth as those that were thrown out. Developing a unified front based on the commandments of Christ will bring actual new people into the mix. The bloc established and made public in protest becomes a force that cannot be ignored. You think something great was accomplished in Nov. with the repub sweep. Mark my words, if you are honest with yourself, you are going to be very disappointed.

But then, I suppose you can hold them all accountable at the next election and put the dems back in. History repeating itself. Doing what we've always done and getting what we always get.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #131 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 17:30:03 »
Holding pols accountable is NOT the same old game. It's an ancient art that has been lost. Let's do the ACTIVE accountability. Calm complaining does no good, it has to be a hog squeal that can be heard in the halls of congress and cause them to be afraid to face those that elected them. I envision wide eyed looks of shear terror on the faces of politicians similar to those town meetings televised this summer.  Elections are affected by non-voters only in the way not intended. Let's try accountability. If we can't do that the way the system was designed, we have no business even entering grownup conversation about politics. If accountability, real accountability doesn't work, we all might as well just appoint a dictator, and forget it. We are not at wits end, we are where we should have been 25 or 30 years ago in frustration. We got lazy. It's a call to action, not a call to inaction.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #132 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 17:35:08 »
Yep, you have close to 11,000 posts- 99% of which are poor attempts at humor, mention of the word "buggery", or putting others down. Quite clearly, you have not followed my posts ( except to be critical) or you would know my "only idea" is to unify under Christ's commandments. The "not voting" is meant as a vehicle for that unity.

Why is not voting the vehicle for that unity?  Why can't it be pounding sand?

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Basically, people can participate by doing absolutely nothing. Again, if you had followed my posts you would know the not voting is only a starter, and that I believe everyone should vote- in unity, as one, with common purpose, by His commandments.

Well, not vote or vote in unity, which is it?  We could settle this all by just everyone waiting until I instruct them how to vote.  Obviously, those who vote differently are troublemakers and divisive.

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In a forum such as this, you have the opportunity to express ideas, to possibly arrive at something better, or you can simply use it to inflate your ego by putting others down. As always, your choice.

I'm not putting you down, just asking you to come down voluntarily from your moral high horse and wait with anticipation for my voting instructions.  

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #133 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 17:38:45 »
Holding pols accountable is NOT the same old game. It's an ancient art that has been lost. Let's do the ACTIVE accountability. Calm complaining does no good, it has to be a hog squeal that can be heard in the halls of congress and cause them to be afraid to face those that elected them. I envision wide eyed looks of shear terror on the faces of politicians similar to those town meetings televised this summer.  Elections are affected by non-voters only in the way not intended. Let's try accountability. If we can't do that the way the system was designed, we have no business even entering grownup conversation about politics. If accountability, real accountability doesn't work, we all might as well just appoint a dictator, and forget it. We are not at wits end, we are where we should have been 25 or 30 years ago in frustration. We got lazy. It's a call to action, not a call to inaction.
Yep, I advocate action- real action that might finally make a difference. First, you have to have that starting point of unity. I am giving you that starting point. If you got a better one, I'm all ears. And no, the tea party is not the blueprint. They have done exactly what's been done in the past. Big rallies, flag waving, lots of noise, but nothing that speaks to a real unity. Unified nonparticipation, well publicized, with specific demands set forth will change everything that follows. You want action? That's real action.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #134 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 17:45:08 »
Yep, you have close to 11,000 posts- 99% of which are poor attempts at humor, mention of the word "buggery", or putting others down. Quite clearly, you have not followed my posts ( except to be critical) or you would know my "only idea" is to unify under Christ's commandments. The "not voting" is meant as a vehicle for that unity.

Why is not voting the vehicle for that unity?  Why can't it be pounding sand?

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Basically, people can participate by doing absolutely nothing. Again, if you had followed my posts you would know the not voting is only a starter, and that I believe everyone should vote- in unity, as one, with common purpose, by His commandments.

Well, not vote or vote in unity, which is it?  We could settle this all by just everyone waiting until I instruct them how to vote.  Obviously, those who vote differently are troublemakers and divisive.

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In a forum such as this, you have the opportunity to express ideas, to possibly arrive at something better, or you can simply use it to inflate your ego by putting others down. As always, your choice.

I'm not putting you down, just asking you to come down voluntarily from your moral high horse and wait with anticipation for my voting instructions.  
The not voting could well be pounding sand. It is also trying something new. Doing the same will result in the same. That has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

As stated many times, the "not vote" is to set up for a unified vote. It is to also serve notice to the potential candidates that there is a unified bloc that has demands to be met. Also, it's the opportunity for "Christians" to actually unite by doing nothing. Couldn't make it much easier.

I'm not on a "high horse" and have asked all in this discussion for their ideas. That's real ideas, not simply for giggles.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #135 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 17:58:35 »
As stated many times, the "not vote" is to set up for a unified vote. It is to also serve notice to the potential candidates that there is a unified bloc that has demands to be met. Also, it's the opportunity for "Christians" to actually unite by doing nothing. Couldn't make it much easier.

I'm not on a "high horse" and have asked all in this discussion for their ideas. That's real ideas, not simply for giggles.

Well, your idea isn't going anywhere.  Is there a sand pile near the house?

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« Reply #136 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 18:27:46 »

I don't know for sure, but besides the following words could unity when dwelled upon for two years fit the characterization of a fetish?

obsession
fixation
mania
craze
engrossment
inclination

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #137 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 18:45:17 »
Accountability is the change needed. Even if We did wha crow advocated, and elected scores of great folks the next time around, what what would we have to do then? HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.I don't mean to seem like I'm yelling, but I am. Whatever is done whoever is elected they musr be held accountable. THAT is the sea change, not a passive event participated in by a couple of million folks that accomllish elected the worst of the worst, by not voting.

And yes of course the Tea Party has made a difference, a historical change is the tenor and direction of congress, IF we apply the "A" word. If we elect 535 apostle Pauls, it will do no good unless we hold them accountable. Hear this word, feel it, touch it,ove it. It is the answer. Sit in strike is not.

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« Reply #138 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 18:46:53 »
People governing thenmselves is an exercise in voting and holding accountable. It's not an exercise in not voting and crying Oh No!

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« Reply #139 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 18:50:57 »
The way I know the Tea Party made a difference is by the smell of fear in the air and the cowed wide eyed terror of the congressmen at the townhall meetings. You don't think angry people can't stike fear in a politicians heart? I know? That is all they fear!