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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #90 on: December 27, 2010, 10:28:28 AM »

I believe in the smallest government possible, the least taxes possible, the greatest personal responsibility possible.


This is what you read in God's commands to you? It all sounds like the care of this world to me. What happened to "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's?"

We read where Paul said "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." Do you see him assembling people against the government of his time? Did you see Jesus complaining against Rome taking His tribute?   

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« Reply #91 on: December 27, 2010, 10:42:28 AM »

I believe in the smallest government possible, the least taxes possible, the greatest personal responsibility possible.


This is what you read in God's commands to you? It all sounds like the care of this world to me. What happened to "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's?"

We read where Paul said "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." Do you see him assembling people against the government of his time? Did you see Jesus complaining against Rome taking His tribute?   
No desire to "assemble people against the government." Give the government what it needs, but limit its needs by caring for one another. Do not farm out the responsibilites Christ has given us. Do what we are meant to do, live as we are meant to live and see the smallest possible governance. Remove world government as much as possible and replace it with His eternal guidance. We are meant to follow Him, not the ways of man. Render to Caesar, but make that which is Caesar's minimal.

Don't worry, it won't happen. Everyone can just go on complaining about taxes, intrustions, loss of freedom, etc, etc. By what is posted, that seems to be what the majority want, so it will be what we all get.
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« Reply #92 on: December 27, 2010, 10:44:24 AM »
I'm not calling you anything but your approach is the same.  Besides, how do you figures folks are failing to see anything different?  Folks certainly appear to see it differently than you, for the most part.
Anything different from what they've always seen. So, yes, "folks" see it differently than I do.
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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #93 on: December 27, 2010, 10:56:14 AM »
It's simple Nick, everyone is evil but Crow.
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« Reply #94 on: December 27, 2010, 12:55:05 PM »
God knows my heart. Honestly, I don't know if I am good or evil. He does, I trust Him, and I do my best to follow. I don't judge others, or compare myself against them. That is His call. Fifty years ago, He reached out to me. I ignored Him. I try my best now not to ignore Him. I don't know if what I advocate has any value, but do know it's at least a different way of looking at things than the tired old ways that have already proven as failure. I constantly reach out to others for new ideas. I reach out to Him for new ideas. I know we don't have it right because that's what He tells me. He tells me He loves us all, and we are to love each other, and if we ever do it will change everything. That's what I have to work with, and since it's from Him, that is enough.
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« Reply #95 on: December 27, 2010, 01:16:14 PM »
If ifs and buts were fruits and nuts, we could make a big fruitcake. ;-)
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« Reply #96 on: December 27, 2010, 01:20:15 PM »
And that's why I quit discussing things with you, Jaime.
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« Reply #97 on: December 27, 2010, 01:24:25 PM »
Thank you! Does that include any response?
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« Reply #98 on: December 28, 2010, 05:56:47 AM »
I'm not calling you anything but your approach is the same.  Besides, how do you figures folks are failing to see anything different?  Folks certainly appear to see it differently than you, for the most part.
Anything different from what they've always seen. So, yes, "folks" see it differently than I do.

It isn't a problem if they see things different than you do and how they see things right now doesn't tell you how they saw things last month or how they will next month.

The real problem is not that they don't always see things like you, but that they don't always see things like me. 
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They turned me loose from the nervous hospital.  Said I was well.  Mmm hmm.

Suffering for your beliefs is called faithfulness, making others suffer for your beliefs is called being a jerk.

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« Reply #99 on: December 28, 2010, 07:08:16 AM »
I'm not calling you anything but your approach is the same.  Besides, how do you figures folks are failing to see anything different?  Folks certainly appear to see it differently than you, for the most part.
Anything different from what they've always seen. So, yes, "folks" see it differently than I do.

It isn't a problem if they see things different than you do and how they see things right now doesn't tell you how they saw things last month or how they will next month.

The real problem is not that they don't always see things like you, but that they don't always see things like me. 
If that be the case, then at least have the gumption to express some ideas rather than just putting down the attempts of others to make life better. And please, real ideas, not just lame humor. The ongoing suffering of this world is not a joke.
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« Reply #100 on: December 28, 2010, 08:25:27 AM »
I'm not calling you anything but your approach is the same.  Besides, how do you figures folks are failing to see anything different?  Folks certainly appear to see it differently than you, for the most part.
Anything different from what they've always seen. So, yes, "folks" see it differently than I do.

It isn't a problem if they see things different than you do and how they see things right now doesn't tell you how they saw things last month or how they will next month.

The real problem is not that they don't always see things like you, but that they don't always see things like me. 
If that be the case, then at least have the gumption to express some ideas rather than just putting down the attempts of others to make life better. And please, real ideas, not just lame humor. The ongoing suffering of this world is not a joke.
 

I have close to 11,000 posts. Whenever one is expressing an idea, it is an unquestionably great idea.  Now get off your moral high horse and take a look at it and see it for the stick pony it really is.  The only idea you seem to be pounding is that you don't vote.  Ok, then, don't vote.  Whether someone chooses to vote or not is one of those things neither of us can do anything about so your rambling on about it is about as useful as you going out and pounding sand for a few hours.
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They turned me loose from the nervous hospital.  Said I was well.  Mmm hmm.

Suffering for your beliefs is called faithfulness, making others suffer for your beliefs is called being a jerk.

His cross, like the ark in the wilderness, is the center around which his people are to encamp; so that they cannot separate into factions, or withdraw from each other, without retiring at the same time from the presence of the cross.

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« Reply #101 on: December 28, 2010, 08:53:49 AM »
I'm not calling you anything but your approach is the same.  Besides, how do you figures folks are failing to see anything different?  Folks certainly appear to see it differently than you, for the most part.
Anything different from what they've always seen. So, yes, "folks" see it differently than I do.

It isn't a problem if they see things different than you do and how they see things right now doesn't tell you how they saw things last month or how they will next month.

The real problem is not that they don't always see things like you, but that they don't always see things like me. 
If that be the case, then at least have the gumption to express some ideas rather than just putting down the attempts of others to make life better. And please, real ideas, not just lame humor. The ongoing suffering of this world is not a joke.
 

I have close to 11,000 posts. Whenever one is expressing an idea, it is an unquestionably great idea.  Now get off your moral high horse and take a look at it and see it for the stick pony it really is.  The only idea you seem to be pounding is that you don't vote.  Ok, then, don't vote.  Whether someone chooses to vote or not is one of those things neither of us can do anything about so your rambling on about it is about as useful as you going out and pounding sand for a few hours.
Yep, you have close to 11,000 posts- 99% of which are poor attempts at humor, mention of the word "buggery", or putting others down. Quite clearly, you have not followed my posts ( except to be critical) or you would know my "only idea" is to unify under Christ's commandments. The "not voting" is meant as a vehicle for that unity. Basically, people can participate by doing absolutely nothing. Again, if you had followed my posts you would know the not voting is only a starter, and that I believe everyone should vote- in unity, as one, with common purpose, by His commandments.

In a forum such as this, you have the opportunity to express ideas, to possibly arrive at something better, or you can simply use it to inflate your ego by putting others down. As always, your choice.
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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #102 on: December 28, 2010, 09:25:01 AM »

My question is this Crow, if you are pleasing the Lord in what you do, why is it necessary to attempt and organize the remainder of us? Will we not stand before Jesus to receive our own rewards? If I determine to give through the assembly I attend, do you have a problem with that? Do you have a special group you want supported more than another? I do hope you realize that we all march to the God of our salvation according the His direction for each of us through the Holy Spirit, and not man. I have seen whole families kept through trials for years at church and I am satisfied with that. I truly am not worried that Ceasar doesn't care for me; God does He shall supply all our need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #103 on: December 28, 2010, 10:21:22 AM »
Nick I support your idea of putting down folks that do nothing as in not voting, ie equivalecy of pounding sand. Plus I assume you and I are on the same "no discuss list". A great future time saver. Watch out Larry you could be next on her list.
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« Reply #104 on: December 28, 2010, 11:45:14 AM »

My question is this Crow, if you are pleasing the Lord in what you do, why is it necessary to attempt and organize the remainder of us? Will we not stand before Jesus to receive our own rewards? If I determine to give through the assembly I attend, do you have a problem with that? Do you have a special group you want supported more than another? I do hope you realize that we all march to the God of our salvation according the His direction for each of us through the Holy Spirit, and not man. I have seen whole families kept through trials for years at church and I am satisfied with that. I truly am not worried that Ceasar doesn't care for me; God does He shall supply all our need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
If you see a relationship with Christ as simply one on one, then what I say will mean nothing to you. If instead you see strength in the Body, the potential in unity, a greater love for our Lord and our neighbors in working together, then, it might. You say, "we all march to the God of our salvation according to His direction for each of us through the Holy Spirit," but I have to assume that direction does not include His commandments and His call for us to become One in the Body in your thinking. You say, "He shall supply all our need," but have to assume you think those needs aren't to be filled as One in the Body.

Two thousand years ago very specific- and simple- commandments and direction were given to the first believers. They did their best for a time, but over time it all began to fracture. No unity, no oneness, and no longer so specific and simple to understand. Different takes on all this began to encroach. Judgements and rationalizations and justifications to stray away from the commandments and directions.  The purity of our Savior, the course of the path, the progression to the worldly living He wishes His children to have all became blurred. And from that seems to have come the rationalization that commandments aren't necessarily commandments, that the Body does not mean unity, and we, as individuals, really don't have to do anything but say we believe Christ died for our sins.

There is a better life waiting to happen. Yes, "He shall supply all our need," but we are settling for so much less than He wants to supply. And that "supply" flows through us, not just to us. We are commissioned- no, we are commanded to find that better life. The love for our Lord and the love for one another are not suggestions, and they have nothing to do with eternal salvation. He gave those commandments for now, for this earthly time of living. He has given us eternity, and said, "It is finished", but has also given us the means for better right now. His work is done. Ours was supposed to begin long ago. Separately, we may find eternity, but together we change the world. But nothing changes unless we try. All I'm trying to do (by His direction) is get people to try.
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