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Quote from: Jaime on June 13, 2011, 07:48:19 AM

If you vote Libertarian, you are effectively voting for the Democrat party, unintentionally. I hate it, but it's the truth. Just like any Green Party vote is an inadvertant Republican vote. I pray for much success for Ralph Nader!

The blame is not on the voter. It is on the majority party to put up a candidate worth voting for. That is not to demand perfection but it is to demand a reasonable candidate. Vote for the best candidate from your conscience.

I would add to vote for the candidate from your conscience with recognition of what that vote might do apart from one's intentions. If a good vote of conscience for a third party candidate that might garner 5% of the more conservative voters that might vote against the Obama type candidate (the worst of the worst), then that consequence must be considered. All votes impact more than just who we vote FOR.

As always, it is a case of the least worst must get the most votes, or the most worst will be elected. The perfect candidate has never run.

No we must defeat Obama or facilitate his re-election. That is my conscience. Yes by all means vote your absolute conscience in the primary and vote to win the general election. That is IF you are against another Obama term.

Christians living in Democracies must understand that you can be held accountable for the anti-Christian laws you agree to live under.

You must be actively, re-actively and proactively resisting ungodliness in your Democracies when Jesus Christ returns or otherwise you can be held accountable for capitulating with anti-Christian governments.

Perhaps we all need to be reminded that Christian Government is an Empire where Jesus Christ is KING of KINGS and LORD of LORDS.

Christian Government is not Democratic or Capitalistic.

You should be actively attempting to change your Constitutions to the New Covenant Laws of Jesus Christ or you can be held accountable for capitulating with a Satanic form of government.

Perhaps we all need to be reminded that King Nebuchadnezzar's Statue still stands.

What are you doing to tear down that statue? Nothing? Well, you'll have to explain it to Jesus when that time comes...

Read Rev 12 and you will see how Satan is Defeated.

The Apostasy is the great rebellion against the evil and Satanic World System we live under. 

We are still living under a divided and pagan Roman Empire.

The proof is that the Empire of GOD has not yet come. 

"It will never be better unless we make it better. Ignoring a flawed process will make it more flawed. Change comes from involvement, not boycott."

I couldn't agree more.  If we want God-fearing representatives in our government again, we have to get involved in some way.  Doing nothing is why America is falling from God's grace.  

Quote from: Jaime on December 05, 2010, 04:23:37 PM

"It will never be better unless we make it better. Ignoring a flawed process will make it more flawed. Change comes from involvement, not boycott."

I couldn't agree more.  If we want God-fearing representatives in our government again, we have to get involved in some way.  Doing nothing is why America is falling from God's grace.  

I only read in one place of scripture of falling from God's grace, and that is Galatians 5:4. "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." I wonder if we could add "Whosoever of you are justified by voting," as being fallen from grace?

Yeah, I voted for Bush, and there's no more abortion, prayer is in the schools again, and all is right in the world; in fact as I try to recall what it was he was gong to do, I don't know why I voted for him.
 
 

Until we go to heaven, we are a citizen of this world we live in. We have obligations to pray for our leaders, our government and to vote according to our beliefs and our consciousness. America has fallen from God's grace because we have fallen away from Him as well as taking His Name from anything public. A nation can fall from God's grace as well as an individual. Not voting, not praying or getting involved with the election of our officials is the same thing as not working for God.  The right to vote is a privilege given to Americans through the shed blood of our forefathers. Not being involved in the process is taking that same blood and ignoring it.

America's privilege of voting negates the following way of doing God's will? 2 Chronicles 7:14  If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

What you suggest is that because I pray for those spiritually starving of the world I should participate with them in their folly? Romans 13:5 says we are to be subject to them God puts over us "Not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake," but I do not see even the suggestion of voting for them. Wouldn't that be akin to wishing them "Godspeed?" 2 John 1:11. "For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."
 

Now you've got me on Jaime's bad side again, and he'll probably have to come and make a counter to this. Though he isn't posting for the time being, I see him peeking in; oh the humanity.
 

If you really believe that voting in this country's elections is wrong, then you definitely should not vote. 

I would like for you to show me where it is evil to vote and that by voting we are adding to the folly of evil doers? 

Are you without sin? 
  

Romans 8:1. "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus," and I do not think it is a sin to vote. I do think if I believed they were not going to do what they say they will, I would be wrong in voting for them and presently I do not see any I would vote for. Who do you think is the God graced candidate?

1 John 5:18. "We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not . ." 

Now this is our new nature in Christ that God sees us this way, but I do have a question. When was Romans 13:1 or Daniel 4:17 rescinded?

Romans 13:1. "There is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God." Dose this pertain to only those that have not got the right to vote?

Daniel 4:17  "This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men." Some think our present president is the basest of men; did you put him into office and if you did, would God be displeased with you?

Thanks.