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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2010, 04:57:18 PM »
Unfortunately we must have a government in the meantime. I think a government where we strive to elect the best mem and women we can until He comes back to rule as King.

I walk with the Lord as most people I know who are Christians and we vote to select the best we can or mitigate the damage from the secular voters. We will never have operfection until Christ comes back. But we can be good stewards and try to the best of our ability. I abhor your approach, but I pray that God blesses your efforts AND mine. We can still be brothers. I realize we will never convince each other.
You keep supporting that which is proven to be failed, and I will keep looking for a way to repair the failure.

You'll probably cancel out my efforts by doing what you've always done. And only by suceeding can I cancel out yours.  

Looks like a stacked deck.  ::lookaround::

I don't remember any specific way that you've given, other than to complain about what IS.

What are your specific plans?
Well, I've presented them here hundreds of times, but will briefly go over it again for you.

Unity. Unity in the Body. Christians actually working as one; as instructed. Using the common ground of His commandments to change the world. Living for Him and not serving the world. Supporting each other; providing an example for all. Becoming that shining city on the hill. Drawing more and more to Him.

That's it. We don't get there by doing what we've always done. We have to go another Way. His Way.



I am asking for specifics.  Not big ideas.

What will you specifically and personally do to change the system?

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2010, 05:13:49 PM »
Unfortunately we must have a government in the meantime. I think a government where we strive to elect the best mem and women we can until He comes back to rule as King.

I walk with the Lord as most people I know who are Christians and we vote to select the best we can or mitigate the damage from the secular voters. We will never have operfection until Christ comes back. But we can be good stewards and try to the best of our ability. I abhor your approach, but I pray that God blesses your efforts AND mine. We can still be brothers. I realize we will never convince each other.
You keep supporting that which is proven to be failed, and I will keep looking for a way to repair the failure.

You'll probably cancel out my efforts by doing what you've always done. And only by suceeding can I cancel out yours.  

Looks like a stacked deck.  ::lookaround::

I don't remember any specific way that you've given, other than to complain about what IS.

What are your specific plans?
Well, I've presented them here hundreds of times, but will briefly go over it again for you.

Unity. Unity in the Body. Christians actually working as one; as instructed. Using the common ground of His commandments to change the world. Living for Him and not serving the world. Supporting each other; providing an example for all. Becoming that shining city on the hill. Drawing more and more to Him.

That's it. We don't get there by doing what we've always done. We have to go another Way. His Way.



I am asking for specifics.  Not big ideas.

What will you specifically and personally do to change the system?
Well, specifically (as I keep stating over and over again), a united front of those following Christ would not participate in this flawed system- at least for a time. If change is desired, first notice has to be achieved. If however many millions of Christians in this country did just one thing in unity - such as not voting- notice would be served. I would think a statement of that unity with some specific objectives might also be in order. Something of a "Christian Contract with America", perhaps. Notice served that the Body is going another direction. Then, support of and for one another within this society. Business, heath care, etc, etc. Not an overthrow of the flawed, but an example of a better Way. An option for those wanting better.

America has a great base to build on. But..................................those we continue to place into power have no desire to build. We have to have the courage to lead. We have to be the example. We are not that example when we support the flawed. As it is we build nothing, and worse, allow the ongoing destruction.

We are capable of better. Much better.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2010, 05:13:49 PM »

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2010, 05:55:49 PM »
Unfortunately we must have a government in the meantime. I think a government where we strive to elect the best mem and women we can until He comes back to rule as King.

I walk with the Lord as most people I know who are Christians and we vote to select the best we can or mitigate the damage from the secular voters. We will never have operfection until Christ comes back. But we can be good stewards and try to the best of our ability. I abhor your approach, but I pray that God blesses your efforts AND mine. We can still be brothers. I realize we will never convince each other.
You keep supporting that which is proven to be failed, and I will keep looking for a way to repair the failure.

You'll probably cancel out my efforts by doing what you've always done. And only by suceeding can I cancel out yours.  

Looks like a stacked deck.  ::lookaround::

I don't remember any specific way that you've given, other than to complain about what IS.

What are your specific plans?
Well, I've presented them here hundreds of times, but will briefly go over it again for you.

Unity. Unity in the Body. Christians actually working as one; as instructed. Using the common ground of His commandments to change the world. Living for Him and not serving the world. Supporting each other; providing an example for all. Becoming that shining city on the hill. Drawing more and more to Him.

That's it. We don't get there by doing what we've always done. We have to go another Way. His Way.



I am asking for specifics.  Not big ideas.

What will you specifically and personally do to change the system?
Well, specifically (as I keep stating over and over again), a united front of those following Christ would not participate in this flawed system- at least for a time. If change is desired, first notice has to be achieved. If however many millions of Christians in this country did just one thing in unity - such as not voting- notice would be served. I would think a statement of that unity with some specific objectives might also be in order. Something of a "Christian Contract with America", perhaps. Notice served that the Body is going another direction. Then, support of and for one another within this society. Business, heath care, etc, etc. Not an overthrow of the flawed, but an example of a better Way. An option for those wanting better.

America has a great base to build on. But..................................those we continue to place into power have no desire to build. We have to have the courage to lead. We have to be the example. We are not that example when we support the flawed. As it is we build nothing, and worse, allow the ongoing destruction.

We are capable of better. Much better.

And how will you approach this personally besides not voting?

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #48 on: December 07, 2010, 11:59:51 AM »
Unfortunately we must have a government in the meantime. I think a government where we strive to elect the best mem and women we can until He comes back to rule as King.

I walk with the Lord as most people I know who are Christians and we vote to select the best we can or mitigate the damage from the secular voters. We will never have operfection until Christ comes back. But we can be good stewards and try to the best of our ability. I abhor your approach, but I pray that God blesses your efforts AND mine. We can still be brothers. I realize we will never convince each other.
You keep supporting that which is proven to be failed, and I will keep looking for a way to repair the failure.

You'll probably cancel out my efforts by doing what you've always done. And only by suceeding can I cancel out yours.  

Looks like a stacked deck.  ::lookaround::

I don't remember any specific way that you've given, other than to complain about what IS.

What are your specific plans?
Well, I've presented them here hundreds of times, but will briefly go over it again for you.

Unity. Unity in the Body. Christians actually working as one; as instructed. Using the common ground of His commandments to change the world. Living for Him and not serving the world. Supporting each other; providing an example for all. Becoming that shining city on the hill. Drawing more and more to Him.

That's it. We don't get there by doing what we've always done. We have to go another Way. His Way.



I am asking for specifics.  Not big ideas.

What will you specifically and personally do to change the system?
Well, specifically (as I keep stating over and over again), a united front of those following Christ would not participate in this flawed system- at least for a time. If change is desired, first notice has to be achieved. If however many millions of Christians in this country did just one thing in unity - such as not voting- notice would be served. I would think a statement of that unity with some specific objectives might also be in order. Something of a "Christian Contract with America", perhaps. Notice served that the Body is going another direction. Then, support of and for one another within this society. Business, heath care, etc, etc. Not an overthrow of the flawed, but an example of a better Way. An option for those wanting better.

America has a great base to build on. But..................................those we continue to place into power have no desire to build. We have to have the courage to lead. We have to be the example. We are not that example when we support the flawed. As it is we build nothing, and worse, allow the ongoing destruction.

We are capable of better. Much better.

And how will you approach this personally besides not voting?
At this point in time, with dialogue. There is an ongoing effort to meet with church leaders, but finding fear seems to overcome most regarding the idea of unity. If I ever have the financial resources again, would most likely establish a website. Also, keep reaching out for the thoughts of others. Reasonable to assume there are deeper thinkers out there than I, and everything is open to improvement. Mostly, just trying to find a few folks of like mind that want to live for Christ. My not voting goes totally unnoticed. I few million not voting for a common cause would be noticed.

And the Body is not one, it is One.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #49 on: December 07, 2010, 09:31:37 PM »
Much double speak and nebulous nothings, Crow. You can do better than that. Well, really I don't think you can, because your position is indefensible.

And please don't pretend that you are the rare one here that lives for Christ.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #50 on: December 07, 2010, 09:37:24 PM »




At this point in time, with dialogue. There is an ongoing effort to meet with church leaders, but finding fear seems to overcome most regarding the idea of unity. If I ever have the financial resources again, would most likely establish a website. Also, keep reaching out for the thoughts of others. Reasonable to assume there are deeper thinkers out there than I, and everything is open to improvement. Mostly, just trying to find a few folks of like mind that want to live for Christ. My not voting goes totally unnoticed. I few million not voting for a common cause would be noticed.

And the Body is not one, it is One.


Do you realize that at every election a few million people do not vote already and no one actually knows why?

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #51 on: December 08, 2010, 08:22:03 AM »




At this point in time, with dialogue. There is an ongoing effort to meet with church leaders, but finding fear seems to overcome most regarding the idea of unity. If I ever have the financial resources again, would most likely establish a website. Also, keep reaching out for the thoughts of others. Reasonable to assume there are deeper thinkers out there than I, and everything is open to improvement. Mostly, just trying to find a few folks of like mind that want to live for Christ. My not voting goes totally unnoticed. I few million not voting for a common cause would be noticed.

And the Body is not one, it is One.


Do you realize that at every election a few million people do not vote already and no one actually knows why?
A unified, advertised, "in the news" effort would have a why. That's the point.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #52 on: December 08, 2010, 08:25:10 AM »




At this point in time, with dialogue. There is an ongoing effort to meet with church leaders, but finding fear seems to overcome most regarding the idea of unity. If I ever have the financial resources again, would most likely establish a website. Also, keep reaching out for the thoughts of others. Reasonable to assume there are deeper thinkers out there than I, and everything is open to improvement. Mostly, just trying to find a few folks of like mind that want to live for Christ. My not voting goes totally unnoticed. I few million not voting for a common cause would be noticed.

And the Body is not one, it is One.


Do you realize that at every election a few million people do not vote already and no one actually knows why?
A unified, advertised, "in the news" effort would have a why. That's the point.

And why would that convince anyone of the error of their ways?

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« Reply #53 on: December 08, 2010, 08:29:07 AM »
Much double speak and nebulous nothings, Crow. You can do better than that. Well, really I don't think you can, because your position is indefensible.

And please don't pretend that you are the rare one here that lives for Christ.
No, Jaime, I speak very clearly. You don't want to see it, so you never will. Keep defending your position and let us know how that's working out. Actually, you don't have to let us know; we just have to look around. What I advocate might fail, but what you advocate is already proven as failed.

The only thing "rare" about me is that I'm willing to try something different. And you are not. That "different" is not earth shattering, but at least different. It has possibilities. Continuing with the failed has only one possibility- more failure.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #54 on: December 08, 2010, 08:35:49 AM »
You don't want to see it, so you never will.



Prove he doesn't want to see it. Where did he ever say he doesn't want to see it? You are simply making accusations without absolute facts. Your accusation is unfounded and not very nice.



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« Reply #55 on: December 08, 2010, 08:37:55 AM »




At this point in time, with dialogue. There is an ongoing effort to meet with church leaders, but finding fear seems to overcome most regarding the idea of unity. If I ever have the financial resources again, would most likely establish a website. Also, keep reaching out for the thoughts of others. Reasonable to assume there are deeper thinkers out there than I, and everything is open to improvement. Mostly, just trying to find a few folks of like mind that want to live for Christ. My not voting goes totally unnoticed. I few million not voting for a common cause would be noticed.

And the Body is not one, it is One.


Do you realize that at every election a few million people do not vote already and no one actually knows why?
A unified, advertised, "in the news" effort would have a why. That's the point.

And why would that convince anyone of the error of their ways?
As I've already stated, the not voting is only one step in the process of change. It is the beginning. It creates the notice. A few million with a common purpose, well stated to the pols, acting in unity, could eventually have a huge effect on correcting the errors. Remember, their goal is getting elected. If a large bloc of votes are available, they'll conform to the wishes of that bloc. We may not be able to change the type of people that run for elected office, but in time we can greatly influence how they function while in office. Nothing can happen overnight, but it can over time.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #56 on: December 08, 2010, 08:40:51 AM »
You don't want to see it, so you never will.



Prove he doesn't want to see it. Where did he ever say he doesn't want to see it? You are simply making accusations without absolute facts. Your accusation is unfounded and not very nice.



Jaime and I have been having this discussion for months. If you wish, you can review posts and see how positions never change. He believes we must vote, we must do what we've always done. I would say that shows a desire to not see anything different.

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 We may not be able to change the type of people that run for elected office, but in time we can greatly influence how they function while in office. Nothing can happen overnight, but it can over time.


And this is your error. Unless we have quality people in office no system of lack of voting will help. Systems are not the answer only people. Your plan will not work

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« Reply #58 on: December 08, 2010, 08:44:54 AM »
I would say that shows a desire to not see anything different.

So there is no other motivation? There is no other desire except the one that supports your intentions? I would say this accusation against others is not honest as it refuses to consider other intentions or views. You cannot really support this view.

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« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2010, 08:48:49 AM »


 We may not be able to change the type of people that run for elected office, but in time we can greatly influence how they function while in office. Nothing can happen overnight, but it can over time.


And this is your error. Unless we have quality people in office no system of lack of voting will help. Systems are not the answer only people. Your plan will not work
I think the quality of people would improve over time. As it is, we know they will never improve.

But there are many that think as you do, rev. No need in trying anything different because it would never work. Luckily, over the course of history people have tried the different. Otherwise, we'd still be living in caves.  ::smile::