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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #35 on: Mon Dec 06, 2010 - 16:04:51 »
Unfortunately we must have a government in the meantime. I think a government where we strive to elect the best mem and women we can until He comes back to rule as King.

I walk with the Lord as most people I know who are Christians and we vote to select the best we can or mitigate the damage from the secular voters. We will never have operfection until Christ comes back. But we can be good stewards and try to the best of our ability. I abhor your approach, but I pray that God blesses your efforts AND mine. We can still be brothers. I realize we will never convince each other.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #36 on: Mon Dec 06, 2010 - 16:07:41 »
You are not interested in the effort it would take to bring about real change . . .

Neither is anyone who disagree with me.

See?  Anyone can spout stuff such as that.

It's not about agreeing with me, with you, or anyone else. It's about following our Lord.

But then, you are free to disagree with Him should you choose.

Yes, it is quite obvious I'm following the Lord and anyone who disagrees with me is Satan's henchman.

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Unfortunately we must have a government in the meantime. I think a government where we strive to elect the best mem and women we can until He comes back to rule as King.

I walk with the Lord as most people I know who are Christians and we vote to select the best we can or mitigate the damage from the secular voters. We will never have operfection until Christ comes back. But we can be good stewards and try to the best of our ability. I abhor your approach, but I pray that God blesses your efforts AND mine. We can still be brothers. I realize we will never convince each other.
You keep supporting that which is proven to be failed, and I will keep looking for a way to repair the failure.

You'll probably cancel out my efforts by doing what you've always done. And only by suceeding can I cancel out yours.  

Looks like a stacked deck.  ::lookaround::

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #38 on: Mon Dec 06, 2010 - 17:04:49 »
The only thing that will work is voting, and voting for people we believe will do right.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #39 on: Mon Dec 06, 2010 - 17:07:42 »
The only thing that will work is voting, and voting for people we believe will do right.

Its a shame such common sense needs explaining

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« Reply #40 on: Mon Dec 06, 2010 - 17:32:36 »
The only thing that will work is voting, and voting for people we believe will do right.
Voting will work when there are the right things and people to vote for. Voting for wrong produces wrong- even encourages wrong. Possibly, by going another direction now we can come to a place where voting has value. As it is, you are simply propping up a failed system.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #41 on: Mon Dec 06, 2010 - 17:38:50 »
The only thing that will work is voting, and voting for people we believe will do right.

You should have left out the only. 

A way even more positive than voting is running for office.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #42 on: Mon Dec 06, 2010 - 17:41:05 »
They couldn't handle the Jaimenator. My talents are better utilized here! ;-)

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #43 on: Mon Dec 06, 2010 - 17:44:28 »
Unfortunately we must have a government in the meantime. I think a government where we strive to elect the best mem and women we can until He comes back to rule as King.

I walk with the Lord as most people I know who are Christians and we vote to select the best we can or mitigate the damage from the secular voters. We will never have operfection until Christ comes back. But we can be good stewards and try to the best of our ability. I abhor your approach, but I pray that God blesses your efforts AND mine. We can still be brothers. I realize we will never convince each other.
You keep supporting that which is proven to be failed, and I will keep looking for a way to repair the failure.

You'll probably cancel out my efforts by doing what you've always done. And only by suceeding can I cancel out yours.  

Looks like a stacked deck.  ::lookaround::

I don't remember any specific way that you've given, other than to complain about what IS.

What are your specific plans?

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« Reply #44 on: Mon Dec 06, 2010 - 17:49:36 »
Unfortunately we must have a government in the meantime. I think a government where we strive to elect the best mem and women we can until He comes back to rule as King.

I walk with the Lord as most people I know who are Christians and we vote to select the best we can or mitigate the damage from the secular voters. We will never have operfection until Christ comes back. But we can be good stewards and try to the best of our ability. I abhor your approach, but I pray that God blesses your efforts AND mine. We can still be brothers. I realize we will never convince each other.
You keep supporting that which is proven to be failed, and I will keep looking for a way to repair the failure.

You'll probably cancel out my efforts by doing what you've always done. And only by suceeding can I cancel out yours.  

Looks like a stacked deck.  ::lookaround::

I don't remember any specific way that you've given, other than to complain about what IS.

What are your specific plans?
Well, I've presented them here hundreds of times, but will briefly go over it again for you.

Unity. Unity in the Body. Christians actually working as one; as instructed. Using the common ground of His commandments to change the world. Living for Him and not serving the world. Supporting each other; providing an example for all. Becoming that shining city on the hill. Drawing more and more to Him.

That's it. We don't get there by doing what we've always done. We have to go another Way. His Way.


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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #45 on: Mon Dec 06, 2010 - 17:57:18 »
Unfortunately we must have a government in the meantime. I think a government where we strive to elect the best mem and women we can until He comes back to rule as King.

I walk with the Lord as most people I know who are Christians and we vote to select the best we can or mitigate the damage from the secular voters. We will never have operfection until Christ comes back. But we can be good stewards and try to the best of our ability. I abhor your approach, but I pray that God blesses your efforts AND mine. We can still be brothers. I realize we will never convince each other.
You keep supporting that which is proven to be failed, and I will keep looking for a way to repair the failure.

You'll probably cancel out my efforts by doing what you've always done. And only by suceeding can I cancel out yours.  

Looks like a stacked deck.  ::lookaround::

I don't remember any specific way that you've given, other than to complain about what IS.

What are your specific plans?
Well, I've presented them here hundreds of times, but will briefly go over it again for you.

Unity. Unity in the Body. Christians actually working as one; as instructed. Using the common ground of His commandments to change the world. Living for Him and not serving the world. Supporting each other; providing an example for all. Becoming that shining city on the hill. Drawing more and more to Him.

That's it. We don't get there by doing what we've always done. We have to go another Way. His Way.



I am asking for specifics.  Not big ideas.

What will you specifically and personally do to change the system?

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« Reply #46 on: Mon Dec 06, 2010 - 18:13:49 »
Unfortunately we must have a government in the meantime. I think a government where we strive to elect the best mem and women we can until He comes back to rule as King.

I walk with the Lord as most people I know who are Christians and we vote to select the best we can or mitigate the damage from the secular voters. We will never have operfection until Christ comes back. But we can be good stewards and try to the best of our ability. I abhor your approach, but I pray that God blesses your efforts AND mine. We can still be brothers. I realize we will never convince each other.
You keep supporting that which is proven to be failed, and I will keep looking for a way to repair the failure.

You'll probably cancel out my efforts by doing what you've always done. And only by suceeding can I cancel out yours.  

Looks like a stacked deck.  ::lookaround::

I don't remember any specific way that you've given, other than to complain about what IS.

What are your specific plans?
Well, I've presented them here hundreds of times, but will briefly go over it again for you.

Unity. Unity in the Body. Christians actually working as one; as instructed. Using the common ground of His commandments to change the world. Living for Him and not serving the world. Supporting each other; providing an example for all. Becoming that shining city on the hill. Drawing more and more to Him.

That's it. We don't get there by doing what we've always done. We have to go another Way. His Way.



I am asking for specifics.  Not big ideas.

What will you specifically and personally do to change the system?
Well, specifically (as I keep stating over and over again), a united front of those following Christ would not participate in this flawed system- at least for a time. If change is desired, first notice has to be achieved. If however many millions of Christians in this country did just one thing in unity - such as not voting- notice would be served. I would think a statement of that unity with some specific objectives might also be in order. Something of a "Christian Contract with America", perhaps. Notice served that the Body is going another direction. Then, support of and for one another within this society. Business, heath care, etc, etc. Not an overthrow of the flawed, but an example of a better Way. An option for those wanting better.

America has a great base to build on. But..................................those we continue to place into power have no desire to build. We have to have the courage to lead. We have to be the example. We are not that example when we support the flawed. As it is we build nothing, and worse, allow the ongoing destruction.

We are capable of better. Much better.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #47 on: Mon Dec 06, 2010 - 18:55:49 »
Unfortunately we must have a government in the meantime. I think a government where we strive to elect the best mem and women we can until He comes back to rule as King.

I walk with the Lord as most people I know who are Christians and we vote to select the best we can or mitigate the damage from the secular voters. We will never have operfection until Christ comes back. But we can be good stewards and try to the best of our ability. I abhor your approach, but I pray that God blesses your efforts AND mine. We can still be brothers. I realize we will never convince each other.
You keep supporting that which is proven to be failed, and I will keep looking for a way to repair the failure.

You'll probably cancel out my efforts by doing what you've always done. And only by suceeding can I cancel out yours.  

Looks like a stacked deck.  ::lookaround::

I don't remember any specific way that you've given, other than to complain about what IS.

What are your specific plans?
Well, I've presented them here hundreds of times, but will briefly go over it again for you.

Unity. Unity in the Body. Christians actually working as one; as instructed. Using the common ground of His commandments to change the world. Living for Him and not serving the world. Supporting each other; providing an example for all. Becoming that shining city on the hill. Drawing more and more to Him.

That's it. We don't get there by doing what we've always done. We have to go another Way. His Way.



I am asking for specifics.  Not big ideas.

What will you specifically and personally do to change the system?
Well, specifically (as I keep stating over and over again), a united front of those following Christ would not participate in this flawed system- at least for a time. If change is desired, first notice has to be achieved. If however many millions of Christians in this country did just one thing in unity - such as not voting- notice would be served. I would think a statement of that unity with some specific objectives might also be in order. Something of a "Christian Contract with America", perhaps. Notice served that the Body is going another direction. Then, support of and for one another within this society. Business, heath care, etc, etc. Not an overthrow of the flawed, but an example of a better Way. An option for those wanting better.

America has a great base to build on. But..................................those we continue to place into power have no desire to build. We have to have the courage to lead. We have to be the example. We are not that example when we support the flawed. As it is we build nothing, and worse, allow the ongoing destruction.

We are capable of better. Much better.

And how will you approach this personally besides not voting?

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« Reply #48 on: Tue Dec 07, 2010 - 12:59:51 »
Unfortunately we must have a government in the meantime. I think a government where we strive to elect the best mem and women we can until He comes back to rule as King.

I walk with the Lord as most people I know who are Christians and we vote to select the best we can or mitigate the damage from the secular voters. We will never have operfection until Christ comes back. But we can be good stewards and try to the best of our ability. I abhor your approach, but I pray that God blesses your efforts AND mine. We can still be brothers. I realize we will never convince each other.
You keep supporting that which is proven to be failed, and I will keep looking for a way to repair the failure.

You'll probably cancel out my efforts by doing what you've always done. And only by suceeding can I cancel out yours.  

Looks like a stacked deck.  ::lookaround::

I don't remember any specific way that you've given, other than to complain about what IS.

What are your specific plans?
Well, I've presented them here hundreds of times, but will briefly go over it again for you.

Unity. Unity in the Body. Christians actually working as one; as instructed. Using the common ground of His commandments to change the world. Living for Him and not serving the world. Supporting each other; providing an example for all. Becoming that shining city on the hill. Drawing more and more to Him.

That's it. We don't get there by doing what we've always done. We have to go another Way. His Way.



I am asking for specifics.  Not big ideas.

What will you specifically and personally do to change the system?
Well, specifically (as I keep stating over and over again), a united front of those following Christ would not participate in this flawed system- at least for a time. If change is desired, first notice has to be achieved. If however many millions of Christians in this country did just one thing in unity - such as not voting- notice would be served. I would think a statement of that unity with some specific objectives might also be in order. Something of a "Christian Contract with America", perhaps. Notice served that the Body is going another direction. Then, support of and for one another within this society. Business, heath care, etc, etc. Not an overthrow of the flawed, but an example of a better Way. An option for those wanting better.

America has a great base to build on. But..................................those we continue to place into power have no desire to build. We have to have the courage to lead. We have to be the example. We are not that example when we support the flawed. As it is we build nothing, and worse, allow the ongoing destruction.

We are capable of better. Much better.

And how will you approach this personally besides not voting?
At this point in time, with dialogue. There is an ongoing effort to meet with church leaders, but finding fear seems to overcome most regarding the idea of unity. If I ever have the financial resources again, would most likely establish a website. Also, keep reaching out for the thoughts of others. Reasonable to assume there are deeper thinkers out there than I, and everything is open to improvement. Mostly, just trying to find a few folks of like mind that want to live for Christ. My not voting goes totally unnoticed. I few million not voting for a common cause would be noticed.

And the Body is not one, it is One.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #49 on: Tue Dec 07, 2010 - 22:31:37 »
Much double speak and nebulous nothings, Crow. You can do better than that. Well, really I don't think you can, because your position is indefensible.

And please don't pretend that you are the rare one here that lives for Christ.

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« Reply #50 on: Tue Dec 07, 2010 - 22:37:24 »




At this point in time, with dialogue. There is an ongoing effort to meet with church leaders, but finding fear seems to overcome most regarding the idea of unity. If I ever have the financial resources again, would most likely establish a website. Also, keep reaching out for the thoughts of others. Reasonable to assume there are deeper thinkers out there than I, and everything is open to improvement. Mostly, just trying to find a few folks of like mind that want to live for Christ. My not voting goes totally unnoticed. I few million not voting for a common cause would be noticed.

And the Body is not one, it is One.


Do you realize that at every election a few million people do not vote already and no one actually knows why?

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At this point in time, with dialogue. There is an ongoing effort to meet with church leaders, but finding fear seems to overcome most regarding the idea of unity. If I ever have the financial resources again, would most likely establish a website. Also, keep reaching out for the thoughts of others. Reasonable to assume there are deeper thinkers out there than I, and everything is open to improvement. Mostly, just trying to find a few folks of like mind that want to live for Christ. My not voting goes totally unnoticed. I few million not voting for a common cause would be noticed.

And the Body is not one, it is One.


Do you realize that at every election a few million people do not vote already and no one actually knows why?
A unified, advertised, "in the news" effort would have a why. That's the point.

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At this point in time, with dialogue. There is an ongoing effort to meet with church leaders, but finding fear seems to overcome most regarding the idea of unity. If I ever have the financial resources again, would most likely establish a website. Also, keep reaching out for the thoughts of others. Reasonable to assume there are deeper thinkers out there than I, and everything is open to improvement. Mostly, just trying to find a few folks of like mind that want to live for Christ. My not voting goes totally unnoticed. I few million not voting for a common cause would be noticed.

And the Body is not one, it is One.


Do you realize that at every election a few million people do not vote already and no one actually knows why?
A unified, advertised, "in the news" effort would have a why. That's the point.

And why would that convince anyone of the error of their ways?

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« Reply #53 on: Wed Dec 08, 2010 - 09:29:07 »
Much double speak and nebulous nothings, Crow. You can do better than that. Well, really I don't think you can, because your position is indefensible.

And please don't pretend that you are the rare one here that lives for Christ.
No, Jaime, I speak very clearly. You don't want to see it, so you never will. Keep defending your position and let us know how that's working out. Actually, you don't have to let us know; we just have to look around. What I advocate might fail, but what you advocate is already proven as failed.

The only thing "rare" about me is that I'm willing to try something different. And you are not. That "different" is not earth shattering, but at least different. It has possibilities. Continuing with the failed has only one possibility- more failure.

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« Reply #54 on: Wed Dec 08, 2010 - 09:35:49 »
You don't want to see it, so you never will.



Prove he doesn't want to see it. Where did he ever say he doesn't want to see it? You are simply making accusations without absolute facts. Your accusation is unfounded and not very nice.



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At this point in time, with dialogue. There is an ongoing effort to meet with church leaders, but finding fear seems to overcome most regarding the idea of unity. If I ever have the financial resources again, would most likely establish a website. Also, keep reaching out for the thoughts of others. Reasonable to assume there are deeper thinkers out there than I, and everything is open to improvement. Mostly, just trying to find a few folks of like mind that want to live for Christ. My not voting goes totally unnoticed. I few million not voting for a common cause would be noticed.

And the Body is not one, it is One.


Do you realize that at every election a few million people do not vote already and no one actually knows why?
A unified, advertised, "in the news" effort would have a why. That's the point.

And why would that convince anyone of the error of their ways?
As I've already stated, the not voting is only one step in the process of change. It is the beginning. It creates the notice. A few million with a common purpose, well stated to the pols, acting in unity, could eventually have a huge effect on correcting the errors. Remember, their goal is getting elected. If a large bloc of votes are available, they'll conform to the wishes of that bloc. We may not be able to change the type of people that run for elected office, but in time we can greatly influence how they function while in office. Nothing can happen overnight, but it can over time.

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« Reply #56 on: Wed Dec 08, 2010 - 09:40:51 »
You don't want to see it, so you never will.



Prove he doesn't want to see it. Where did he ever say he doesn't want to see it? You are simply making accusations without absolute facts. Your accusation is unfounded and not very nice.



Jaime and I have been having this discussion for months. If you wish, you can review posts and see how positions never change. He believes we must vote, we must do what we've always done. I would say that shows a desire to not see anything different.

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« Reply #57 on: Wed Dec 08, 2010 - 09:41:12 »


 We may not be able to change the type of people that run for elected office, but in time we can greatly influence how they function while in office. Nothing can happen overnight, but it can over time.


And this is your error. Unless we have quality people in office no system of lack of voting will help. Systems are not the answer only people. Your plan will not work

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« Reply #58 on: Wed Dec 08, 2010 - 09:44:54 »
I would say that shows a desire to not see anything different.

So there is no other motivation? There is no other desire except the one that supports your intentions? I would say this accusation against others is not honest as it refuses to consider other intentions or views. You cannot really support this view.

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 We may not be able to change the type of people that run for elected office, but in time we can greatly influence how they function while in office. Nothing can happen overnight, but it can over time.


And this is your error. Unless we have quality people in office no system of lack of voting will help. Systems are not the answer only people. Your plan will not work
I think the quality of people would improve over time. As it is, we know they will never improve.

But there are many that think as you do, rev. No need in trying anything different because it would never work. Luckily, over the course of history people have tried the different. Otherwise, we'd still be living in caves.  ::smile::

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« Reply #60 on: Wed Dec 08, 2010 - 09:52:06 »

I think the quality of people would improve over time.

Based on what?

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As it is, we know they will never improve.


No of course not if people like yourself are only focused on systems rather than sound people.

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But there are many that think as you do, rev. No need in trying anything different because it would never work.

Don't equate my disagreement with you as a desire to do nothing different. Its just not honest.


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« Reply #61 on: Wed Dec 08, 2010 - 09:53:28 »
I would say that shows a desire to not see anything different.

So there is no other motivation? There is no other desire except the one that supports your intentions? I would say this accusation against others is not honest as it refuses to consider other intentions or views. You cannot really support this view.
My only "intention" is to try to make things better. What I'm offering may not be the best way, could even fail miserably, but at least it is not just doing what we've always done as Jaime advocates.

I'm not a smart man, but at least am willing to try a different way. To say we should just do what we've always done shows no willingness for change. I'm open to ideas. To this point, none have been presented. Repeating, I would say that shows a desire to not see anything different.

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« Reply #62 on: Wed Dec 08, 2010 - 09:59:27 »

I think the quality of people would improve over time.

Based on what?

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As it is, we know they will never improve.


No of course not if people like yourself are only focused on systems rather than sound people.

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But there are many that think as you do, rev. No need in trying anything different because it would never work.

Don't equate my disagreement with you as a desire to do nothing different. Its just not honest.


Based on those wanting to be elected coming to understand they will not receive the votes of that particular bloc unless they are truly representing that bloc. Also, based on that bloc eventually reaching a point where they can present their own candidates.

And you are misreading what I'm saying. I'm not focused on a "system", but rather the change of that system with the right people.

And....................... if you desire different, then present some ideas, please. Otherwise, you appear to think along the same line as Jaime and simply disagee without offering alternatives. Of course, there is the alternative to just keep doing what we've always done. If you consider that a real alternative.

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« Reply #63 on: Wed Dec 08, 2010 - 10:02:41 »
Repeating, I would say that shows a desire to not see anything different.

Of course you do. That fits your agenda. What is not being said (because most everyone else already understands this) is what I have told you. Focusing on systems is doomed to fail from the start. Every system is corruptible. Even yours. What we need to focus on is finding sound quality candidates and vote for them. If you want to get a million people together to do something get them to vote for good candidates. This is basic and should just be understood but I will explain this to you anyway, if you are not voting then no good candidate can be voted for. That is antithetical to the change you say you want. You are throwing out the baby with the bath water.

And your repeated accusation is, again, not honest. It is possible is shows something much different as I have just explained to you.

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« Reply #64 on: Wed Dec 08, 2010 - 10:54:27 »
Repeating, I would say that shows a desire to not see anything different.

Of course you do. That fits your agenda. What is not being said (because most everyone else already understands this) is what I have told you. Focusing on systems is doomed to fail from the start. Every system is corruptible. Even yours. What we need to focus on is finding sound quality candidates and vote for them. If you want to get a million people together to do something get them to vote for good candidates. This is basic and should just be understood but I will explain this to you anyway, if you are not voting then no good candidate can be voted for. That is antithetical to the change you say you want. You are throwing out the baby with the bath water.

And your repeated accusation is, again, not honest. It is possible is shows something much different as I have just explained to you.
Agreed- "sound quality candidates". And by making a unified statement of not supporting the unsound and unqualified, we can hopefully see the sound and quality emerge. Get those million (or more) together to vote for good, but do not simply vote for that which is the least bad. As stated several times now, the unified action of not voting is not intended to go on forever. It is a statement, and there would be much more to the statement than simply not voting. It is saying, we, this group, united, will no longer support the flawed. We will go another way and if you want us back you have to come that way. We will no longer follow, but will now lead. And BTW, as Christians that is what we suppposed to do. Lead.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #65 on: Wed Dec 08, 2010 - 11:09:25 »
Crow again as usual you have offered nothing. Voting for good people of course offers the possibility of change. Not voting offers no hope of anything but the worst of the same.

I think what you think you mean is a whole different system of government like a parliamenary system or something. But with our system voting is the only hope and our system is the best in the world.

The evil ones in the world would love nothing more than millions of Christians sitting on their collective thumbs in a meaningless and counterproductive protest.

But good people not boting is exactly what the folks you claim to not like, actually hope for, a moronic Christian sit down strike in the polls. That is called stepping aside and acquiescing to evil. 

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #66 on: Wed Dec 08, 2010 - 11:17:15 »
Crow again as usual you have offered nothing. Voting for good people of course offers the possibility of change. Not voting offers no hope of anything but the worst of the same.

I think what you think you mean is a whole different system of government like a parliamenary system or something. But with our system voting is the only hope and our system is the best in the world.

The evil ones in the world would love nothing more than millions of Christians sitting on their collective thumbs in a meaningless and counterproductive protest.

But good people not boting is exactly what the folks you claim to not like, actually hope for, a moronic Christian sit down strike in the polls. That is called stepping aside and acquiescing to evil. 
Nope, no "whole different system of government", just not your "vote and hope" approach that is a proven failure.

Step off the sled for just a moment. Do not add to the weight that's carrying it down the slope. It's a start. If you are not willing to start, if you are not willing to step off, then you can be sure the sled keeps going just as it always has.

"Meaningless and counterproductive"? Look at what you've done, continue to do, and advocate doing going forward, then consider that statement.

Please call me when the meaningless and counterproductive comes to an end.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #67 on: Wed Dec 08, 2010 - 11:33:08 »

Nope, no "whole different system of government", just not your "vote and hope" approach that is a proven failure.




So how do you know that is his approach. You impose something you cannot know. Just because its not your ridiculous way does not mean it is simply vote and hope.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #68 on: Wed Dec 08, 2010 - 11:40:11 »

Nope, no "whole different system of government", just not your "vote and hope" approach that is a proven failure.




So how do you know that is his approach. You impose something you cannot know. Just because its not your ridiculous way does not mean it is simply vote and hope.
No, rev, it's what Jaime keeps stating- over and over and over. Just continue to vote and all will get better.

That's how I know. He keeps telling me.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #69 on: Wed Dec 08, 2010 - 11:40:18 »
It's just his platitudinous ludicrousity, Rev.

And bo Crow, your way is not even a start, it is a non start,