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« Reply #140 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 18:51:47 »

I don't know for sure, but besides the following words could unity when dwelled upon for two years fit the characterization of a fetish?

obsession
fixation
mania
craze
engrossment
inclination

Desire
Hope
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 The call for unity comes from Him, not me. Call it a fetish if you will, I consider it the least we can do in love of Christ.

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As stated many times, the "not vote" is to set up for a unified vote. It is to also serve notice to the potential candidates that there is a unified bloc that has demands to be met. Also, it's the opportunity for "Christians" to actually unite by doing nothing. Couldn't make it much easier.

I'm not on a "high horse" and have asked all in this discussion for their ideas. That's real ideas, not simply for giggles.

Well, your idea isn't going anywhere.  Is there a sand pile near the house?
You are correct. Do you find pleasure in seeing others fail? Do you like life just as it is? Do you even think of those suffering? Do you have any ideas, or just more humorless humor?

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People governing thenmselves is an exercise in voting and holding accountable. It's not an exercise in not voting and crying Oh No!
People governing themselves is an exercise in having the courage to bring about change. Yes, hold those elected accountable, but first have the courage to take another course. I'm afraid you are going to find these tea party pols to be the same as all other pols. As I said, they are all cut from the same cloth. Interesting that none ran under the Tea Party banner, but instead as repubs. Where was their courage? Which drummer will they follow? How far will they stray to get reelected once they feel that sweet surge of power?

Give me an honest assessment this time next year. Then realize you can do nothing about accountablity until the next election. Round and round it goes, the same ol' same ol'.

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« Reply #143 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 19:06:45 »
People governing thenmselves is an exercise in voting and holding accountable. It's not an exercise in not voting and crying Oh No!
People governing themselves is an exercise in having the courage to bring about change. Yes, hold those elected accountable, but first have the courage to take another course. I'm afraid you are going to find these tea party pols to be the same as all other pols. As I said, they are all cut from the same cloth. Interesting that none ran under the Tea Party banner, but instead as repubs. Where was their courage? Which drummer will they follow? How far will they stray to get reelected once they feel that sweet surge of power?

Give me an honest assessment this time next year. Then realize you can do nothing about accountablity until the next election. Round and round it goes, the same ol' same ol'.


Shows a gross ignorance of the Tea Party

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #144 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 19:14:55 »
Whatever process we inject peoiple into office there has to be accountabilitym Or we get what we have had. Immediate, loud, hostile in their face reaction each and every time they appear in public in their districts will do wonders, and no we don't have to wait for the next election. Like I said if Crow's method gives us scores of apostle Paul's in Congress, which it won't, they will have to be held accountable. The people we elect adhere or claim to adhere to some values. The must have rudders (us voters) in a representative republic. We do our job, the more likely it is they do theirs. Either way, Crow yours or mine, accountability can't be avoided. My way, we start earlier.

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People governing thenmselves is an exercise in voting and holding accountable. It's not an exercise in not voting and crying Oh No!
People governing themselves is an exercise in having the courage to bring about change. Yes, hold those elected accountable, but first have the courage to take another course. I'm afraid you are going to find these tea party pols to be the same as all other pols. As I said, they are all cut from the same cloth. Interesting that none ran under the Tea Party banner, but instead as repubs. Where was their courage? Which drummer will they follow? How far will they stray to get reelected once they feel that sweet surge of power?

Give me an honest assessment this time next year. Then realize you can do nothing about accountablity until the next election. Round and round it goes, the same ol' same ol'.


Shows a gross ignorance of the Tea Party
Enlighten me, then. To this point, the Tea Party is nothing more than an extension of the Republican Party. The so called Tea Party candidates all ran with an "R" by their name. In some cases, even that didn't work. Angle, O'Donnell, Miller. Heck, a write-in left of RINO beat Miller! No courage, no vision. Just more pols wanting to position themselves for the gain of being in office. But people have bought into it, so I guess you can't blame them.

Same ol' same ol'.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #146 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 19:18:44 »
The Dems and Obama was the problem that they addressed. If we hold them accountable, it was massively effective. The Tea Party was shouting that The GOP need not apply if it is going to be Dem lite. I say Amen. Now leta's hold them accountable.

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« Reply #147 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 19:19:59 »
Whatever process we inject peoiple into office there has to be accountabilitym Or we get what we have had. Immediate, loud, hostile in their face reaction each and every time they appear in public in their districts will do wonders, and no we don't have to wait for the next election. Like I said if Crow's method gives us scores of apostle Paul's in Congress, which it won't, they will have to be held accountable. The people we elect adhere or claim to adhere to some values. The must have rudders (us voters) in a representative republic. We do our job, the more likely it is they do theirs. Either way, Crow yours or mine, accountability can't be avoided. My way, we start earlier.
So where was that "immediate, loud, hostile in their face reaction" for the debt increases this month? The repubs had the power to make the lame duck totally lame, but did not. Beyond legislation to keep the government funded a few more weeks nothing else had to be done, but they did a whole lot. Certainly haven't seen any loud or hostile; just lots of excuses as to why they did what they did.

So I'm guessing we start that in their face next year?

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« Reply #148 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 19:24:24 »
The Dems and Obama was the problem that they addressed. If we hold them accountable, it was massively effective. The Tea Party was shouting that The GOP need not apply if it is going to be Dem lite. I say Amen. Now leta's hold them accountable.
And in 2008 it was the Repubs and Bush that were the problem addressed. So we play a fool's game of switch the checkers every two years?

Same ol' same ol'.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #149 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 19:29:47 »
Crow, we have a hellova mess un Wahsington with Obama and the Dem congress. With the new Republican house in January, we still have Obama in power and the Dems in the Senate from the tantum of 2006. The process is stacked against quick solution. A massive non vote is a turnpike in thw wrong direction. We can't afford 1 election cycle to experiment. Especially if accountability is needed in any event. Yes we scream and holler and get in their face just like DID in fact happen this summer. You can't deny that. If you claim accountability is not needed with even you method, you are seriously deluded. First hapf of our duty, elect. Second half, hold accountable. There is never a pass on the 2nd part.

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« Reply #150 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 19:36:09 »
Crow, we have a hellova mess un Wahsington with Obama and the Dem congress. With the new Republican house in January, we still have Obama in power and the Dems in the Senate from the tantum of 2006. The process is stacked against quick solution. A massive non vote is a turnpike in thw wrong direction. We can't afford 1 election cycle to experiment. Especially if accountability is needed in any event. Yes we scream and holler and get in their face just like DID in fact happen this summer. You can't deny that. If you claim accountability is not needed with even you method, you are seriously deluded. First hapf of our duty, elect. Second half, hold accountable. There is never a pass on the 2nd part.
I have heard no screaming and hollering this month as the Repubs went along with debt increases.

Absolutely, hold them accountable, but first quit electing people that could care less about accountability! Change course, step back and take a deep breath, unite. Then, maybe those we elect will hold themselves accountable.

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« Reply #151 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 19:38:16 »
People governing thenmselves is an exercise in voting and holding accountable. It's not an exercise in not voting and crying Oh No!
People governing themselves is an exercise in having the courage to bring about change. Yes, hold those elected accountable, but first have the courage to take another course. I'm afraid you are going to find these tea party pols to be the same as all other pols. As I said, they are all cut from the same cloth. Interesting that none ran under the Tea Party banner, but instead as repubs. Where was their courage? Which drummer will they follow? How far will they stray to get reelected once they feel that sweet surge of power?

Give me an honest assessment this time next year. Then realize you can do nothing about accountablity until the next election. Round and round it goes, the same ol' same ol'.


Shows a gross ignorance of the Tea Party
Enlighten me, then. To this point, the Tea Party is nothing more than an extension of the Republican Party. The so called Tea Party candidates all ran with an "R" by their name. In some cases, even that didn't work. Angle, O'Donnell, Miller. Heck, a write-in left of RINO beat Miller! No courage, no vision. Just more pols wanting to position themselves for the gain of being in office. But people have bought into it, so I guess you can't blame them.

Same ol' same ol'.


The Tea Party is made up of Dems, Repubs, and ind. The reason no dems ran that were supported by the Tea Party is because the powers that be in the Demcom party are all far left and worked to keep it that way. The reason no one ran under the Tea Party banner is because you can't. It is not a registered political party and they never intended for it to be. That was not the objective. There were a good many who were supported by the Tea Party that did get elected. So your obvious attempt to paint the Tea Party as ineffective is unfounded. And your unfounded assumption about the motivation behind the candidates and the Tea party is incorrect.

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« Reply #152 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 19:43:34 »
Yes, we need to be loud and scream, NOW. I agree. ALL politicians are susceptible to being held accountable. You obviously didn't see all the townhall meetings this summer where the pols, most of whom were defeated this fall faced the angry crowds with shear terror in their eyes. If they can't be held accountable, we vote them out. That is the case with my or your plan. A congress full of Billy Grahans would still need to be held accountable. I am not saying we have reached accountability nervana, but it IS the missing ingredient with the present situation, or your plan. Another problem is there is a near or actual majority of secularist in the electorate that want nothing to do wth Christians or Christianity. They also understand accountability. The key is we need ALL of us to rise up and ACT, not shrink back into a bogus rebellion unified inactivity.
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« Reply #153 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 20:13:25 »
A lot of people thought the Tea Party was a bunch of hayseed racist motivated by the election of a Black President. I don't for a minute believe that is the case. Unless the House conforms to it's mandate, I would imagine you will see some rallies and angry mobs like we haven't seen in a long while. There are about 12 Democrat Senators that represent red states that are going to be as vulnerable as a prostate exam in 2012 because of the staggered terms. They were paying attention to the Tea Party in 2010, and will again in 2 years. House members are up every 2 years for election, so their "exam" comes fairly frequently.
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« Reply #154 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 20:15:08 »
Accountability is communicating the demand to "assume the position Sucker!"

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« Reply #155 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 21:22:39 »
The only person that wouldn't need our accountability is Jesus, and when he comes, we will not be worried about holding Him accountable. Until then every person, elected, metamorphed, teleported, etc into office will need accountability. They are humans representing a bunch of other humans and their wants and needs. We will want and need to keep whomever accountable. Something we haven't done a good job of. A good job of doing that would definitely not be doing more of the same. It would be different with different results.
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« Reply #156 on: Tue Dec 28, 2010 - 22:13:17 »
As stated many times, the "not vote" is to set up for a unified vote. It is to also serve notice to the potential candidates that there is a unified bloc that has demands to be met. Also, it's the opportunity for "Christians" to actually unite by doing nothing. Couldn't make it much easier.

I'm not on a "high horse" and have asked all in this discussion for their ideas. That's real ideas, not simply for giggles.

Well, your idea isn't going anywhere.  Is there a sand pile near the house?
You are correct.

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Do you find pleasure in seeing others fail?

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Do you like life just as it is?

Nope.  I pray that God will grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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Do you even think of those suffering?

Well, they don't vote in North Korea so there must not be any suffering there.


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« Reply #157 on: Thu Dec 30, 2010 - 08:01:17 »
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips

Which to me obviously includes vigilance in voting for the best candidates and vigilance in holding them accountable. We have lost this art of vigilance, but I believe it is and has begun to resurrect.

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« Reply #158 on: Tue Feb 01, 2011 - 14:00:18 »
I usually stay away from this forum or discussing politics, as I feel that many Christians approach their political actions as followers of their party rather then followers of Christ. I will probably get slammed for this, but this is what I see around me.

IMO followers of Christ first and foremost follow the 1st commandment -- to love God ALONG WITH ones neighbor. However, I don't see many Christians vote according to this commandment...but more according to the higher-ups in their political party that tell that party what to think and what and who to vote for.


Each person is going to see the world differently. If one has been well taken care of and lives in a nice neighborhood, and normally only hang around folks like themselves, then they will probably vote in a way where money is the priority...and most of the higher-ups that I can think of live this way.

 But if a person lives around folks/families who struggle with continual physical and mental health issues and find it hard to get the appropriate care, then they will probably vote for what could help them....and etc., and etc..

Nothing is perfect, absolutely nothing....so I don't consider voting for something only if it is perfect....I vote according to if it/her/him has possibilities. Possibilities that would most closely follow the 1st commandment.

Along with the 1st commandment I also think we must consider the whole picture/all the facts, when voting. That the USA is #1 in consumerism. #1 in all the world!! Having and possessing things is the most important thing here in the USA....which makes it quite clear that money is the #1 love. The CEO's of most big companies make lots of money and I dare say don't share much of it with their store clerks and workers....

Well, anyway...some things to think about....there's my 2c worth...

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« Reply #159 on: Tue Feb 01, 2011 - 16:45:05 »
IMO followers of Christ first and foremost follow the 1st commandment -- to love God ALONG WITH ones neighbor.

That's why I always vote for liberty.

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« Reply #160 on: Tue Feb 01, 2011 - 18:12:09 »
IMO followers of Christ first and foremost follow the 1st commandment -- to love God ALONG WITH ones neighbor.

That's why I always vote for liberty.


Liberty for who?

The big CEO who has had good fortune and having the liberty to pay his employees what he wants...and will, as he is just as money hungry as the politicians are. Oh, yes, he HAS liberty!! But how about the poor shmuck who makes $7.25 an hr with few or no benefits and even tho he really doesn't have the all around capability to do anything else, he does a good job and his job is needed. Does he have as much liberty as the millionaire?? Nope.

Loving my neighbor (IMO) means being careful there is fairness for all....at least as far as it depends on me (in my voting and etc). In this country certain groups of people have more liberty then others...as some groups (generally) automatically have less opportunities/freedoms then others.....African Americans (and other minority groups), the "lower" classes, the mentally ill, people with dwarfism and other conditions, the elderly, people with serious illnesses, the handicapped and children. These are not anecdotal, as there are many many people in this country who are in one or more of these groups.

"When you do it to the least of these my brethren, you do it to Me."

When Jesus was out and about, He paid more attention and had more concern for the vulnerable....so, so should we.

If there are some that don't have the same basic opportunities, then there really is not liberty and justice for all.

Life, liberty and the persuit of happiness.

Life - what is needed to stay alive.

Liberty - the freedom to aquire the very basics, SO that I can persue happiness.

 

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« Reply #161 on: Tue Feb 01, 2011 - 18:23:38 »
The guy making $7.25 an hour has the liberty to look for another job, or to take advantage of the many financial aid and education assistance programs that provide college and/or job training.

He's also free to work a second job, or to start a service type business on a shoestring.


There is no promise of "fairness" anywhere that I have ever found.  But the rewards of hard work and a willingness to do whatever it takes to care for one's family are many.

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« Reply #162 on: Tue Feb 01, 2011 - 19:09:39 »
Sounds like sending someone off and saying "Be warmed and filled!" without caring and then doing a thing personally about that persons suffering.......sorry, I just do not buy it.

If every person had equal cognitive or physical abilities with the same amount of opportunity as the typical, upper-class healthy white male...then yes, I would say what you are saying....but it is not so at all. And I'll tell you by lots of experiance, it is very hard to get help...very...and some of our more vulnerable Americans can not take it.

It is funny, what you said kinda sounds like what Scrooge said when asked to help feed the poor, "Aren't there workhouses? Isn't the Treadmill and the Poor Law still in full vigour? Aren't there prisons? Then let the poor go to those places!"
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« Reply #163 on: Tue Feb 01, 2011 - 21:04:52 »
It's not that hard to get help. I've helped a lot of people who wanted to improve their situation with filling out papers for financial aid, micro business loans, etc.

If someone is willing to work, I'm all for them.

I know a guy who started a business cleaning "pet doodie" out of people's yards with a spade, a five gallon bucket, and some plastic bags.  Today he employs a crew of people and makes a good living. It is funny - he went from haivng nothing to being one of those upwardly mobile healthy white men you disdain so.

Your whole class warfare vibe sounds noble - but teaching one group of people to mistrust and be suspicious and contemptible of another group because they committed the (non)sin of having money is just flat wrong.

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« Reply #164 on: Tue Feb 01, 2011 - 21:44:17 »
I am for helping the truly helpless and making sure as much as we can that everyone else has the opportunity to be all they can be. I think one political party has made a living out of keeping too many people poor and dependent on government. And I believe a job is the very best welfare program. Jobs created by "evil" corporations. Personally, I have never worked for a poor person. I am not rich, but I root for the rich folks every day. Folks like me wouldn't have a job without them.  I also don't believe that the wealth pie remains the same size and I don't believe people get rich at the expense of the poor, necessarily. I have an entire family tree that has pulled itself up out of poverty because of the opportunity and exceptionalism in this country. I have some advantages over others, but some others have advantages I can only dream about. I adamantly oppose and viscerally despise labor unions. They have done some good, but I believe they have contributed way more bad than good to society. I pray that conservatives will once again behave as conservatives.


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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #165 on: Tue Feb 01, 2011 - 22:45:48 »
IMO followers of Christ first and foremost follow the 1st commandment -- to love God ALONG WITH ones neighbor.

That's why I always vote for liberty.


Liberty for who?

For all.

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The big CEO who has had good fortune and having the liberty to pay his employees what he wants...and will, as he is just as money hungry as the politicians are.

No, he is far more decent than politicians.  He earned his wealth by serving others, his customers, better than his competitors did.  Politicians don't earn theirs.  Take Obama, for instance.  He and his cronies are borrowing trillions to spend on themselves and their allies leaving the productive to pay it off, somehow.

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But how about the poor shmuck who makes $7.25 an hr with few or no benefits and even tho he really doesn't have the all around capability to do anything else, he does a good job and his job is needed. Does he have as much liberty as the millionaire?? Nope.

Does he HAVE liberty.  Yep. The $7.25 is what he earns.  If he wants so-called benefits, he actually has to earn those, too.

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Loving my neighbor (IMO) means being careful there is fairness for all....at least as far as it depends on me (in my voting and etc). In this country certain groups of people have more liberty then others...as some groups (generally) automatically have less opportunities/freedoms then others.....African Americans (and other minority groups), the "lower" classes, the mentally ill, people with dwarfism and other conditions, the elderly, people with serious illnesses, the handicapped and children. These are not anecdotal, as there are many many people in this country who are in one or more of these groups.

"When you do it to the least of these my brethren, you do it to Me."

When Jesus was out and about, He paid more attention and had more concern for the vulnerable....so, so should we.

If there are some that don't have the same basic opportunities, then there really is not liberty and justice for all.

Life, liberty and the persuit of happiness.

Life - what is needed to stay alive.

Liberty - the freedom to aquire the very basics, SO that I can persue happiness.


If you attend to the needs of those with less than you with your own time and money, that is is your choice and it is very commendable.  If you vote to do it with other people's money, then it is shameful.  It does appear you are saying what a wonderful country we would be with guns to our heads.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #166 on: Tue Feb 01, 2011 - 22:48:04 »
There is no promise of "fairness" anywhere that I have ever found.

Yeah, the ol' "fairness" routine. 

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« Reply #167 on: Wed Feb 02, 2011 - 21:02:58 »
IMO followers of Christ first and foremost follow the 1st commandment -- to love God ALONG WITH ones neighbor.

That's why I always vote for liberty.


Liberty for who?

For all.

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The big CEO who has had good fortune and having the liberty to pay his employees what he wants...and will, as he is just as money hungry as the politicians are.

No, he is far more decent than politicians.  He earned his wealth by serving others, his customers, better than his competitors did.  Politicians don't earn theirs.  Take Obama, for instance.  He and his cronies are borrowing trillions to spend on themselves and their allies leaving the productive to pay it off, somehow.

Have you been in any given store lately? Pick up about any peice of merchandise and you'll see on the bottom, made in China. No, many, many CEO's make their wealth by serving themselves. They send their manufacturing overseas which severely depletes the jobs available over here...and then the employees they do have here are not paid what they are worth. The more money they make goes into their own pockets so they can have their jets and multiple homes.

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But how about the poor shmuck who makes $7.25 an hr with few or no benefits and even tho he really doesn't have the all around capability to do anything else, he does a good job and his job is needed. Does he have as much liberty as the millionaire?? Nope.

Does he HAVE liberty.  Yep. The $7.25 is what he earns.  If he wants so-called benefits, he actually has to earn those, too.
 

Did you actually read what I said? I was speaking of those in our country who for various reasons are the more vulnerable. If I had a mental illness or another vulnerability I would want to be treated in the same way I would treat others....wouldn't you? The golden rule is the main principle of Christiandom...so if we are not taking care of our own household - the people here in our own country - especially the weaker among us - then we cannot call ourselves a Christian nation.


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Loving my neighbor (IMO) means being careful there is fairness for all....at least as far as it depends on me (in my voting and etc). In this country certain groups of people have more liberty then others...as some groups (generally) automatically have less opportunities/freedoms then others.....African Americans (and other minority groups), the "lower" classes, the mentally ill, people with dwarfism and other conditions, the elderly, people with serious illnesses, the handicapped and children. These are not anecdotal, as there are many many people in this country who are in one or more of these groups.

"When you do it to the least of these my brethren, you do it to Me."

When Jesus was out and about, He paid more attention and had more concern for the vulnerable....so, so should we.

If there are some that don't have the same basic opportunities, then there really is not liberty and justice for all.

Life, liberty and the persuit of happiness.

Life - what is needed to stay alive.

Liberty - the freedom to aquire the very basics, SO that I can persue happiness.


If you attend to the needs of those with less than you with your own time and money, that is is your choice and it is very commendable.  If you vote to do it with other people's money, then it is shameful.  It does appear you are saying what a wonderful country we would be with guns to our heads.

  You speak here as though you don't vote?? If you vote to get this or that done...to get this or that bill passed...then, along with your money (if you've worked in this country all your working life), then of course it will always include the taxes of others. It is shameful if you only consider yourself when voting. When you vote in a way that does not also benefit your neighbors and fellow citizens as well. No man is an island...we are our brothers keeper...and the promise of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness does mean we, WE, vote to the best of our ability to ensure that all of us have the support to be able to stay alive (life) & liberty & etc...

Well...I'm done...bless you..



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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #168 on: Thu Feb 03, 2011 - 06:25:07 »
That IS why I vote. So this country, its exceptionalism and its opportunities will be preserved for all. Feel good socialism and the ever growing tendency of  trying to become a nanny state destroys that in my opinion. Help the truly helpless, no doubt. Everybody else,...........get after it!

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #169 on: Thu Feb 03, 2011 - 09:45:27 »
You speak here as though you don't vote??

I vote every time.

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If you vote to get this or that done...to get this or that bill passed...then, along with your money (if you've worked in this country all your working life), then of course it will always include the taxes of others.

I vote for those who are most likely to keep the federal government from trying to get "this or that" done unless it is instructed by the constitution to do it.

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It is shameful if you only consider yourself when voting.

No, I'm not a statist.  I consider others when I vote.  Therefore, I vote for the most libertarian candidates because in the realm of politics and government nothing is anywhere near as important as your liberty.  What this country is all about is your liberty to do as you dang well please as long as you're not messing with other people or their stuff.  And you also have the responsibility to face the consequences for your choices.

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When you vote in a way that does not also benefit your neighbors and fellow citizens as well.

If you don't vote for the liberty minded candidates then you are hurting, not benefiting, your neighbor.

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No man is an island...we are our brothers keeper...and the promise of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness does mean we, WE, vote to the best of our ability to ensure that all of us have the support to be able to stay alive (life) & liberty & etc...

No, we vote to ensure each other's liberty, not to promote the idea of looking at the productive the same way ticks look at dogs.




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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #170 on: Thu Feb 03, 2011 - 16:36:16 »
My personal belief is that as Christians, we need to get involved in politics at some level, either local, state or federal.  We absolutely need to vote.  Our responsibility rests also in checking out all candidates, the issues at present in our land and then vote according to our conscience. 

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #171 on: Sun Apr 03, 2011 - 10:19:25 »
 ::amen!::

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
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 How should Christians approach politics Holding their nose.  ::tippinghat::

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #173 on: Fri Apr 08, 2011 - 06:04:00 »

How should Christians approach politics Holding their nose.  ::tippinghat::


Possibly the same way we would as we climbed around in a garbage dump. Maybe that's the way God saw us as He gave Jesus to die for us, and loved us in spite of it because of the sacrifice made to clean us.

We can pray for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty, and then we're told in 2 Chronicles 7:14  If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

God bless you in Jesus' name.

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Re: How should Christians approach politics?
« Reply #174 on: Fri May 06, 2011 - 14:03:03 »
I would say involvement is better than no involvement. Not all politcians are evil and out for money. A lot of corupt for sure, but always better to be involved that on the sidelines.

 

     
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