Author Topic: How should Christians approach politics? (Read 33972 times)

Mere Nick · « **Reply #165 on:** February 01, 2011, 09:45:48 PM »

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IMO followers of Christ first and foremost follow the 1st commandment -- to love God ALONG WITH ones neighbor.

That's why I always vote for liberty.

Liberty for who?

For all.

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The big CEO who has had good fortune and having the liberty to pay his employees what he wants...and will, as he is just as money hungry as the politicians are.

No, he is far more decent than politicians. He earned his wealth by serving others, his customers, better than his competitors did. Politicians don't earn theirs. Take Obama, for instance. He and his cronies are borrowing trillions to spend on themselves and their allies leaving the productive to pay it off, somehow.

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But how about the poor shmuck who makes $7.25 an hr with few or no benefits and even tho he really doesn't have the all around capability to do anything else, he does a good job and his job is needed. Does he have as much liberty as the millionaire?? Nope.

Does he HAVE liberty. Yep. The $7.25 is what he earns. If he wants so-called benefits, he actually has to earn those, too.

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Loving my neighbor (IMO) means being careful there is fairness for all....at least as far as it depends on me (in my voting and etc). In this country certain groups of people have more liberty then others...as some groups (generally) automatically have less opportunities/freedoms then others.....African Americans (and other minority groups), the "lower" classes, the mentally ill, people with dwarfism and other conditions, the elderly, people with serious illnesses, the handicapped and children. These are not anecdotal, as there are many many people in this country who are in one or more of these groups.

"When you do it to the least of these my brethren, you do it to Me."

When Jesus was out and about, He paid more attention and had more concern for the vulnerable....so, so should we.

If there are some that don't have the same basic opportunities, then there really is not liberty and justice for all.

Life, liberty and the persuit of happiness.

Life - what is needed to stay alive.

Liberty - the freedom to aquire the very basics, SO that I can persue happiness.

If you attend to the needs of those with less than you with your own time and money, that is is your choice and it is very commendable. If you vote to do it with other people's money, then it is shameful. It does appear you are saying what a wonderful country we would be with guns to our heads.

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #165 on:** February 01, 2011, 09:45:48 PM »

Mere Nick · « **Reply #166 on:** February 01, 2011, 09:48:04 PM »

Quote from: OldDad on February 01, 2011, 05:23:38 PM

There is no promise of "fairness" anywhere that I have ever found.

Yeah, the ol' "fairness" routine.

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #166 on:** February 01, 2011, 09:48:04 PM »

ela · « **Reply #167 on:** February 02, 2011, 08:02:58 PM »

Quote from: Mere Nick on February 01, 2011, 09:45:48 PM

Quote from: ela on February 01, 2011, 05:12:09 PM
Quote from: Mere Nick on February 01, 2011, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: ela on February 01, 2011, 01:00:18 PM
IMO followers of Christ first and foremost follow the 1st commandment -- to love God ALONG WITH ones neighbor.

That's why I always vote for liberty.

Liberty for who?

For all.

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The big CEO who has had good fortune and having the liberty to pay his employees what he wants...and will, as he is just as money hungry as the politicians are.

No, he is far more decent than politicians. He earned his wealth by serving others, his customers, better than his competitors did. Politicians don't earn theirs. Take Obama, for instance. He and his cronies are borrowing trillions to spend on themselves and their allies leaving the productive to pay it off, somehow.

Have you been in any given store lately? Pick up about any peice of merchandise and you'll see on the bottom, made in China. No, many, many CEO's make their wealth by serving themselves. They send their manufacturing overseas which severely depletes the jobs available over here...and then the employees they do have here are not paid what they are worth. The more money they make goes into their own pockets so they can have their jets and multiple homes.

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But how about the poor shmuck who makes $7.25 an hr with few or no benefits and even tho he really doesn't have the all around capability to do anything else, he does a good job and his job is needed. Does he have as much liberty as the millionaire?? Nope.

Does he HAVE liberty. Yep. The $7.25 is what he earns. If he wants so-called benefits, he actually has to earn those, too.

Did you actually read what I said? I was speaking of those in our country who for various reasons are the more vulnerable. If I had a mental illness or another vulnerability I would want to be treated in the same way I would treat others....wouldn't you? The golden rule is the main principle of Christiandom...so if we are not taking care of our own household - the people here in our own country - especially the weaker among us - then we cannot call ourselves a Christian nation.

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Loving my neighbor (IMO) means being careful there is fairness for all....at least as far as it depends on me (in my voting and etc). In this country certain groups of people have more liberty then others...as some groups (generally) automatically have less opportunities/freedoms then others.....African Americans (and other minority groups), the "lower" classes, the mentally ill, people with dwarfism and other conditions, the elderly, people with serious illnesses, the handicapped and children. These are not anecdotal, as there are many many people in this country who are in one or more of these groups.

"When you do it to the least of these my brethren, you do it to Me."

When Jesus was out and about, He paid more attention and had more concern for the vulnerable....so, so should we.

If there are some that don't have the same basic opportunities, then there really is not liberty and justice for all.

Life, liberty and the persuit of happiness.

Life - what is needed to stay alive.

Liberty - the freedom to aquire the very basics, SO that I can persue happiness.

If you attend to the needs of those with less than you with your own time and money, that is is your choice and it is very commendable. If you vote to do it with other people's money, then it is shameful. It does appear you are saying what a wonderful country we would be with guns to our heads.

You speak here as though you don't vote?? If you vote to get this or that done...to get this or that bill passed...then, along with your money (if you've worked in this country all your working life), then of course it will always include the taxes of others. It is shameful if you only consider yourself when voting. When you vote in a way that does not also benefit your neighbors and fellow citizens as well. No man is an island...we are our brothers keeper...and the promise of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness does mean we, WE, vote to the best of our ability to ensure that all of us have the support to be able to stay alive (life) & liberty & etc...

Well...I'm done...bless you..

Jaime · « **Reply #168 on:** February 03, 2011, 05:25:07 AM »

That IS why I vote. So this country, its exceptionalism and its opportunities will be preserved for all. Feel good socialism and the ever growing tendency of trying to become a nanny state destroys that in my opinion. Help the truly helpless, no doubt. Everybody else,...........get after it!

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #168 on:** February 03, 2011, 05:25:07 AM »

Mere Nick · « **Reply #169 on:** February 03, 2011, 08:45:27 AM »

Quote from: ela on February 02, 2011, 08:02:58 PM

You speak here as though you don't vote??

I vote every time.

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If you vote to get this or that done...to get this or that bill passed...then, along with your money (if you've worked in this country all your working life), then of course it will always include the taxes of others.

I vote for those who are most likely to keep the federal government from trying to get "this or that" done unless it is instructed by the constitution to do it.

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It is shameful if you only consider yourself when voting.

No, I'm not a statist. I consider others when I vote. Therefore, I vote for the most libertarian candidates because in the realm of politics and government nothing is anywhere near as important as your liberty. What this country is all about is your liberty to do as you dang well please as long as you're not messing with other people or their stuff. And you also have the responsibility to face the consequences for your choices.

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When you vote in a way that does not also benefit your neighbors and fellow citizens as well.

If you don't vote for the liberty minded candidates then you are hurting, not benefiting, your neighbor.

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No man is an island...we are our brothers keeper...and the promise of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness does mean we, WE, vote to the best of our ability to ensure that all of us have the support to be able to stay alive (life) & liberty & etc...

No, we vote to ensure each other's liberty, not to promote the idea of looking at the productive the same way ticks look at dogs.

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #169 on:** February 03, 2011, 08:45:27 AM »

jmldn2 · « **Reply #170 on:** February 03, 2011, 03:36:16 PM »

My personal belief is that as Christians, we need to get involved in politics at some level, either local, state or federal. We absolutely need to vote. Our responsibility rests also in checking out all candidates, the issues at present in our land and then vote according to our conscience.

Hisdaughter · « **Reply #171 on:** April 03, 2011, 09:19:25 AM »

sjorgens · « **Reply #172 on:** April 08, 2011, 01:03:15 AM »

How should Christians approach politics Holding their nose.

larry2 · « **Reply #173 on:** April 08, 2011, 05:04:00 AM »

Quote from: sjorgens on April 08, 2011, 01:03:15 AM

How should Christians approach politics Holding their nose.

Possibly the same way we would as we climbed around in a garbage dump. Maybe that's the way God saw us as He gave Jesus to die for us, and loved us in spite of it because of the sacrifice made to clean us.

We can pray for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty, and then we're told in 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

God bless you in Jesus' name.

waywardson · « **Reply #174 on:** May 06, 2011, 01:03:03 PM »

I would say involvement is better than no involvement. Not all politcians are evil and out for money. A lot of corupt for sure, but always better to be involved that on the sidelines.

Lively Stone · « **Reply #175 on:** June 03, 2011, 06:48:44 PM »

Quote from: tooldtocare on June 03, 2011, 06:31:38 PM

Politics for a Christian is in the Middle East today. Where false prophets will tell you Moses is the savior when he was nothing more than a murder who murders a man in cold blood. The Pharaoh charges Moses for this crime and Moses then gathers his followers and flees. That episode is now referred to as the great Exodus.

Are you re-writing the Exodus? Moses wasn't fleeing Pharaoh. Get your story straight.

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Then Moses joins with David and attacks an unarmed city called Jerusalem and slaughters many within. They stay and rule by force over the city until the Romans kick them out. Today it is a repeat only it will not be the Romans who kick them out it will be.,,..,/:\.,.,

It is all there in the scriptures, I hope you check it out.

Yeah, right. Moses and Davy were pals.

Who wrote your Bible? Even a Braille bible refutes you.

Debrah · « **Reply #176 on:** June 13, 2011, 07:44:44 AM »

we should approach politics with God on our heart. Will the canadit running honor the ways of our God. Will he/she try to dictate or be a person who values the constitution and our freedoms.

The only canadits that fit this criteria is the Libertarian party. If you vote Democrat or republican you are voting for the government to tell you how to run your life, and the worlds.

Our founding fathers wanted a very small government, to create laws that protect, and armed forces that protect...it has gone passed this simple formula, now we have troops all over the world, and the government taking my money, and telling me they know how to spend it better than I do...

Jaime · « **Reply #177 on:** June 13, 2011, 07:48:19 AM »

If you vote Libertarian, you are effectively voting for the Democrat party, unintentionally. I hate it, but it's the truth. Just like any Green Party vote is an inadvertant Republican vote. I pray for much success for Ralph Nader!

larry2 · « **Reply #178 on:** June 13, 2011, 09:06:05 AM »

How should Christians approach politics? I just can't contain myself; by believing they're all crooks, and that the truth is not in them?

Jaime · « **Reply #179 on:** June 13, 2011, 09:08:12 AM »

No candidate is perfect, but there is a scale of gooder to worser. As in any human endeavor, we make a choice. I didn't marry a perfect woman, but I got as close as humanly possible, recognizing her remaining flaws.

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