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« on: Tue Mar 06, 2012 - 08:18:41 »
Duncan Lee Hunter (born May 31, 1948) is an American politician. He was a Republican member of the House of Representatives from California's 52nd, 45th and 42nd districts from 1981 to 2009.

Hunter was the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee during the 108th and 109th Congress. Hunter sought the Republican Party nomination for President of the United States for 2008,[1] but his campaign failed to attract significant voters or delegates in early primary and caucus states,[2] and he dropped out after the Nevada Republican caucuses.

He served in South Vietnam from 1970 to 1971 during the Vietnam War[8] in the Army Rangers' 75th Ranger Regiment, attached to the 173rd Airborne Brigade.[9] He participated in 24 helicopter assaults[7] as well as in small-number, night-time reconnaissance patrols.[10] He held the rank of First Lieutenant,[8] and was awarded the Bronze Star,[7] Air Medal,[8] and service ribbons such as the Vietnam Service Medal.[8] He has said, "I didn't do anything special in the U.S. Army, but I served with very special soldiers I will never forget."[8]

Making use of the G.I. Bill in 1973, he enrolled at the San Diego campus of the Western State University College of Law and earned a Bachelor of Science in Law and Juris Doctor in 1976. Hunter worked farming and construction jobs to supplement his income while finishing his degree. He was admitted to the State Bar of California on December 22, 1976,[11] but has held inactive status since January 1, 1983.[11][12]

Hunter married Lynne Layh in 1973. Hunter's son, Duncan Duane Hunter (born 1976), a Captain in the United States Marine Corps Reserve, was deployed to Iraq in 2003 and 2004 and Afghanistan in 2007. On November 4, 2008, Duncan D. Hunter was elected to succeed his father as the congressional representative of the California's 52nd congressional district. Hunter has another son, Samuel.

Hunter's family attends First Baptist Church of Alpine, which is affiliated with the San Diego Southern Baptist Association. Hunter's Alpine, California home burned down during the October 2003 Cedar Fire. The loss topped $500,000, but insurance covered most of it.[13] Hunter was critical of then-Governor Gray Davis's response to the fire.[14

House Armed Services

Hunter became chairman of the House Armed Services Committee in 2002. As such, he sponsored legislation authorizing defense department fiscal year activities from FY2004 to FY2007. During consideration of the FY2006 Defense Authorization Act, Hunter offered an amendment to the bill clarifying enacted policy restricting women from direct combat units. Hunter's amendment codified existing Army policy enacted in 1994 under former Defense Secretary Les Aspin that prohibited women from submitting or migrating into combat units or operations. The amendment was subsequently withdrawn in order for a study to be conducted on the rationale and future implementation of the policy.[17]

In November 2004, Hunter and Wisconsin Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner withheld their support for a bill creating a Director of National Intelligence (DNI) until specific conditions were met. Hunter argued that the military is the biggest consumer of intelligence and any reforms enacted, including the creation of a DNI, must not endanger the lives of troops on the battlefield. The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act, which created the DNI position, was passed by Congress and signed by President George W. Bush later that year.

In a House Armed Services Committee hearing on November 9, 2005, Hunter strongly criticized a Defense Logistics Agency "prime vendor" buying program that led to the purchase of $20 ice cube trays and a tiny refrigerator for $22,797 (initially exposed by The State). Hunter stated that he wanted explanations from the companies in question and the government purchasing agents who had approved the purchases, accusing the latter of "absolute incompetence." He further stated that the purchases are "a real slap in the face to the guy making $13,000 a year who is engaged in a firefight in Ramadi," and claimed that "A fairly large amount of incompetence is embedded into the system."

On April 25, 2007, after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid declared "the war is lost", Hunter wrote "my highest obligation is, like yours, owed to our forces in uniform, especially during this time of war.... Given your position of leadership within the United States Government, I find your pronouncement of failure irresponsible and disserving to America's armed forces. In light of the fact that this statement has both been used by our adversaries and has exhibited a marked lack of leadership to U.S. troops, I call on you to resign your leadership position".[22] Hunter further wrote that Reid's declaration "can have no effect but to demoralize the brave men and women, who are honorably fulfilling their mission in Iraq, and to encourage our adversaries.... Even if you sincerely believe it to be true, your pronouncement of failure will undoubtedly be used by terrorist leaders to rally their followers — inevitably leading to increased attacks on U.S. and coalition forces".

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On December 8, 2006, Hunter introduced H.R. 6375, which would have required the defense department to post the purpose of all congressional earmarks in annual defense bills, along with the location and a grade according to the utility of the earmark.
Hunter introduced H.R. 552, The Right to Life Act, on February 2, 2005. The purpose of the bill is to "implement equal protection... for the right to life of each born and preborn human person." In the 109th Congress, the legislation collected 101 cosponsors.[25] Hunter states that The Right to Life Act "would legally define “personhood

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« Reply #1 on: Tue Mar 06, 2012 - 09:46:26 »
So you are voting for a guy no longer in the race?

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« Reply #2 on: Tue Mar 06, 2012 - 11:17:09 »
He is effectively voting for Obama.   rofl

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« Reply #3 on: Tue Mar 06, 2012 - 11:28:04 »
Ron Paul!

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« Reply #4 on: Tue Mar 06, 2012 - 11:56:20 »
He is effectively voting for Obama.   rofl

If he is writing in Duncan Hunter, he certainly is. I voted for Hunter in the primary last time, but a conservative leaning person writing in anyone will be a vote for Obama.

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« Reply #5 on: Wed Mar 07, 2012 - 06:21:03 »
Lessee............hmmmmmmm...........  ::pondering::, according to Federal Election Laws, a ballot/vote cast for an individual (regardless of who that individual is) must be recorded as one vote in that individual's name on the final poll results which the States Attorney General cerifies and reports.

In effect, a write in vote for Duncan Hunter will be counted, verified and certified as one vote for Duncan Hunter.  At no time, under no circumstances, is it legal for that vote to be transferred to any other person.

In effect, I am casting my vote for Duncan Hunter..........it really is that simple, and it's the law.  It is not a vote for Obama, nor a vote for Mitt, or Newt, or whoever the Repub nominee is............that's a bunch of hogwash drummed up by the two parties currently possessing a strangle hold over the American people when it comes to elections.

As an Independent, Christian, Conservationist, neither party can assume that I would normally vote for their candidate, ergo my vote for Hunter is not a defacto vote for anyone else.

Instead of criticizing my choice(s), try listing your own, and their qualifications.............either display the courage of your convictions, or your vote is as defacto as you believe mine to be,


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« Reply #6 on: Wed Mar 07, 2012 - 09:24:11 »
Effectively, you are voting for Obama.

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« Reply #7 on: Wed Mar 07, 2012 - 14:08:28 »
Effectively, you are voting for Obama.

What a bunch of Ga Ga.

I have ONE vote to cast. The person I vote for is the person I voted for. Period.

NO ONE owns my vote or deserves my vote except for the candidate that I think deserves it according to my own conscience.

My issues are freedom.
Get us out fo the United Nations
End the Federal Reserve's control over our money supply and allow competing currencies to put this country back on a path toward prosperity
Limited Constitutional government.
Secure our borders and THEN reform our immigration laws
NO MORE government education, housing, food stamps, social security, medical treatment for illegal immigrants
End abortion on demand once and for all by taking it out of the hands of the federal government where they NEVER had the authority to begin with and reverting it back to the individual states and declaring that life begins at conception
Stop the practice of corporate welfare whether they call it incentives, investments, grants, tax breaks, subsidies or no bid contracts
Repeal the 16th Amendment and abolish the IRS
End the war on drugs at the federal level
Stop policing the world and sticking our noses into the business of other countries
Repeal the New Deal and all of the unconstitutional entitlements
Repeal the Patriot Act IMMEDIATELY
repeal the TSA
Repeal the DHS
Repeal NDAA
Abolish the NAFTA, CAFTA, SPP, and get us out of the IMF and WTO


There is only one candidate who even comes close to those issues that I find important


Ron Paul

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« Reply #8 on: Wed Mar 07, 2012 - 14:11:08 »
All votes have consequences other than the intended. It's never JUST a vote for someone. Politics is always a defensive game as well as an offensive one.

The votes for Ross Perot in 1992, were way more than well, votes for Ross Perot. They were votes that helped put Bill Clinton into office. For better or worse, my vote had way more consequences than I intended.

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« Reply #9 on: Wed Mar 07, 2012 - 14:55:59 »
All votes have consequences other than the intended. It's never JUST a vote for someone. Politics is always a defensive game as well as an offensive one.

The votes for Ross Perot in 1992, were way more than well, votes for Ross Perot. They were votes that helped put Bill Clinton into office. For better or worse, my vote had way more consequences than I intended.

Trust God after doing what you believe was the right thing. Bush sent us into an unnecessary-undeclared war against a country that never attacked us or threatened us killing hundreds and hindreds of thousands of innocent people. As a result of that war and the deaths to Muslims, this country set up bases in the hopiest land of Muslims enraging millions of them and causing bin Laden to declare jihad against us. The result were the first bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993, the Kohbar Towers, our embassey in Nigeria, the USS Cole and 911.
Bush also sponsered Clinton's membership in the Council on Foreign Relations while Clinton was still governor of Arkansas so their policies were closer than the media and the partisan hacks would have us think.

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« Reply #10 on: Wed Mar 07, 2012 - 16:38:48 »
As I said all votes have consequences other than intented. It is always a defensive game of politics not just an offensive my vote for. As I said before, If God wants Ron Paul elected, he will be elected, right? IF he does, he better get goin' on the delegates.

And I thank God for Bush in not waiting until we were attacked again to verify the enemies intent. He did the right thing. If Ron Paul would not so protect us in the face of similar threat, I pray he is NOT elected. Course I don't think we will need to pray all that hard in that regard. Pandora's box of history can never be repacked. We deal with the present that we have not what we wished we had.
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« Reply #11 on: Wed Mar 07, 2012 - 19:48:07 »
Effectively, you are voting for Obama.



yeah, right.........................sigh.......... .......


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« Reply #12 on: Wed Mar 07, 2012 - 19:53:19 »
Has Jaime therefore become your enemy because he told you the truth?

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As I said all votes have consequences other than intented. It is always a defensive gave of politics not just an offensive my vote for. As I said before, If God wants Ron Paul elected, he will be elected, right?

And I thank God for Bush in not waiting until we were attacked again to verify the enemies intent. He did the right thing. If Ron Paul would not so protect us in the face of similar threat, I pray he is NOT elected. Course I don't think we will need to pray all that hard in that regard. Pandora's box of history can never be repacked. We deal with the present that we have not what we wished we had.


..............and, thus would it not also hold true that if God wants Obama re-elected, he will be?............which would, of course, render the idea that someone voting for a third party or write in candidate is actually voting for Obama just silly..............

(now, u-guys really don't have to fuss 'n' fume too much about all this, 'cause it's been predetermined since the beginning has it not?)


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« Reply #14 on: Thu Mar 08, 2012 - 06:46:15 »
You need to check the theology forum neither jaimie nor I am believers in predestination. ::smile::

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« Reply #15 on: Thu Mar 08, 2012 - 06:53:01 »
Effectively, you are voting for Obama.

What a bunch of Ga Ga.

I have ONE vote to cast. The person I vote for is the person I voted for. Period.

NO ONE owns my vote or deserves my vote except for the candidate that I think deserves it according to my own conscience.

My issues are freedom.
Get us out fo the United Nations
End the Federal Reserve's control over our money supply and allow competing currencies to put this country back on a path toward prosperity
Limited Constitutional government.
Secure our borders and THEN reform our immigration laws
NO MORE government education, housing, food stamps, social security, medical treatment for illegal immigrants
End abortion on demand once and for all by taking it out of the hands of the federal government where they NEVER had the authority to begin with and reverting it back to the individual states and declaring that life begins at conception
Stop the practice of corporate welfare whether they call it incentives, investments, grants, tax breaks, subsidies or no bid contracts
Repeal the 16th Amendment and abolish the IRS
End the war on drugs at the federal level
Stop policing the world and sticking our noses into the business of other countries
Repeal the New Deal and all of the unconstitutional entitlements
Repeal the Patriot Act IMMEDIATELY
repeal the TSA
Repeal the DHS
Repeal NDAA
Abolish the NAFTA, CAFTA, SPP, and get us out of the IMF and WTO


There is only one candidate who even comes close to those issues that I find important


Ron Paul

That is all well and good, but what is the point of voting for him if you know that voting for him would virtually guarantee election of one who will do almost the exact opposite?  There is a difference between standing up for the things that you believe, even shouting them from the roof tops, and voting.

The interesting thing here is that even Ron Paul is not running because he thinks he can be President. He is a lot smarter than that.  It is not certain that he even wants to be President although I think that he probably would like that.  What he is really after is a voice in the setting of the Republican platform.

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« Reply #16 on: Thu Mar 08, 2012 - 12:11:27 »
Effectively, you are voting for Obama.



yeah, right.........................sigh.......... .......



It is exactly right, and you should sigh at the consequences of your choice to throw your vote away.

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« Reply #17 on: Thu Mar 08, 2012 - 14:30:46 »
Effectively, you are voting for Obama.


What a bunch of Ga Ga.

I have ONE vote to cast. The person I vote for is the person I voted for. Period.

NO ONE owns my vote or deserves my vote except for the candidate that I think deserves it according to my own conscience.

My issues are freedom.
Get us out fo the United Nations
End the Federal Reserve's control over our money supply and allow competing currencies to put this country back on a path toward prosperity
Limited Constitutional government.
Secure our borders and THEN reform our immigration laws
NO MORE government education, housing, food stamps, social security, medical treatment for illegal immigrants
End abortion on demand once and for all by taking it out of the hands of the federal government where they NEVER had the authority to begin with and reverting it back to the individual states and declaring that life begins at conception
Stop the practice of corporate welfare whether they call it incentives, investments, grants, tax breaks, subsidies or no bid contracts
Repeal the 16th Amendment and abolish the IRS
End the war on drugs at the federal level
Stop policing the world and sticking our noses into the business of other countries
Repeal the New Deal and all of the unconstitutional entitlements
Repeal the Patriot Act IMMEDIATELY
repeal the TSA
Repeal the DHS
Repeal NDAA
Abolish the NAFTA, CAFTA, SPP, and get us out of the IMF and WTO


There is only one candidate who even comes close to those issues that I find important


Ron Paul


That is all well and good, but what is the point of voting for him if you know that voting for him would virtually guarantee election of one who will do almost the exact opposite?  There is a difference between standing up for the things that you believe, even shouting them from the roof tops, and voting.

The interesting thing here is that even Ron Paul is not running because he thinks he can be President. He is a lot smarter than that.  It is not certain that he even wants to be President although I think that he probably would like that.  What he is really after is a voice in the setting of the Republican platform.


Allow yourself the information that will dispell tha myth in your thinking. Ron Paul CAN stil win the GOP nomination.

http://runronpaul.com/interest/reality-check-the-real-republican-delegate-numbers/

Contrary to what the establishment media liars are telling the American people, Ron Paul is actually second in delegates.
This isn't about him "having a voice" at the convention. It's not about some mythical alliance with Romney so Rand Paul can be the VP. Ron Paul NEVER said that he doesn't want to be our president or that he doesn't think he can win. What he did say was that being president is just as important as changing the direction of our country and bringing back freedom. It's not about a power trip with him. In fact, he pledges to not take any more power than what the Constitution allows him and he WILL repeal all of the presedential signing orders that previous presidents signed that gave to them extra power and allowed them to circumvent Congress.
This is the guy we need whether you know it or not. We've been waiting a long time for a man like this to come along who is honest, and takes his oath seriously. THAT is why the establishment is terrified of him and the media either blacks him out or lies or marginalizes him. "They" don't want you and me to vote for Ron Paul giving us proof that he's the right one.

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« Reply #18 on: Fri Mar 09, 2012 - 17:20:04 »
I said I would not talk with RP groupies any more but this is just crazy.  How do you figure RP is second in delicate count.  He has 46 and is dead last.  You have to win some states to get a lot of delegates and he has not done that.
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates
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« Reply #19 on: Fri Mar 09, 2012 - 17:21:33 »
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I said I would not talk with RP groupies any more but this is just crazy.  How do you figure RP is second in delicate count.  He has 47 and is dead last.  You have to win some states to get a lot of delegates and he has not done that.

Did you watch the video?

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« Reply #20 on: Fri Mar 09, 2012 - 18:16:04 »
Yes and RP is still dead last even in your video.  It is based on fuzzy math and has nothing to do with reality.  In your video RP has only 11 delegates which is dead last.  He will not be the GOP nominee.  You are living in a make believe world.
Notice in the link I posted those super delegates have already expressed a preferance and contray to your video almost none have said RP.  While they can change their mind nothing indicates that tey will vote for a guy who can not win a race.
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« Reply #21 on: Fri Mar 09, 2012 - 21:50:08 »
I do not know who I am voting for. The "anyone but Obama" canidate has not yet been decided.  ::giggle::

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« Reply #22 on: Fri Mar 09, 2012 - 22:14:37 »
Yes and RP is still dead last even in your video.  It is based on fuzzy math and has nothing to do with reality.  In your video RP has only 11 delegates which is dead last.  He will not be the GOP nominee.  You are living in a make believe world.
Notice in the link I posted those super delegates have already expressed a preferance and contray to your video almost none have said RP.  While they can change their mind nothing indicates that tey will vote for a guy who can not win a race.

It wasnt my video.  Calm down.   ::doh::

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« Reply #23 on: Sat Mar 10, 2012 - 05:31:47 »
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I am calm it just seems that the RP supporters live in a make believe world where he is either going to win without winning or that there is some great conspiracy against him so they will vote for him regardless.  It just wears thin. I just like to deal in facts and reality.  None of the folks running are my first choice.  However I will not write in some one in the general election.  I will vote for the most conservative who is electable.  I love my country to much to see Obama get another 4 years.

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« Reply #24 on: Wed Mar 14, 2012 - 18:35:44 »
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I am calm it just seems that the RP supporters live in a make believe world where he is either going to win without winning or that there is some great conspiracy against him so they will vote for him regardless.  It just wears thin. I just like to deal in facts and reality.  None of the folks running are my first choice.  However I will not write in some one in the general election.  I will vote for the most conservative who is electable.  I love my country to much to see Obama get another 4 years.

Between the other three candidates, I honestly don't see how any of them would be an improvement over Obama.

Can some non-RP supporters remind me? I totally forgot.  ::doh::

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« Reply #25 on: Thu Mar 15, 2012 - 00:49:32 »
The ones living in the make believe world are the ones blindly supporting the GOP nominee and expecting to get reduced spending, reduced debt and a more limited constitutional government.

Seems like only 3 groups here.

1. Support Obama.
2. Support Ron Paul.
3. Blindly support whoever the GOP shoves down your throat.

I don't know why the GOP doesn't run a Dole/McCain ticket and get it over with already.

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« Reply #26 on: Thu Mar 15, 2012 - 07:17:29 »
Right that is why no candidate has a lock on the GOP nomination right now. (sarcasm intended)  It is because folks are voting and their is no clear choice right now.  It is not the GOP establishment cramming one candidate down our throat.  It is a hard choice because folks voting are not crazy about any of those running.  From real votes they are the least excited about Ron Paul. 

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« Reply #27 on: Thu Mar 15, 2012 - 11:07:07 »
Right that is why no candidate has a lock on the GOP nomination right now. (sarcasm intended)  It is because folks are voting and their is no clear choice right now.  It is not the GOP establishment cramming one candidate down our throat.  It is a hard choice because folks voting are not crazy about any of those running.  From real votes they are the least excited about Ron Paul. 

Most folks aren't very smart.  If they were, they would vote Paul.

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« Reply #28 on: Thu Mar 15, 2012 - 14:21:23 »
They are smart enough to know that all running are career politicians including Paul.  That is why they are not excited.  But the real battle is still to get conservatives (notice I did not say republicans) in charge of both houses.

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« Reply #29 on: Thu Mar 15, 2012 - 18:01:39 »
The only conservative running for President is Ron Paul.

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« Reply #30 on: Thu Mar 15, 2012 - 19:26:36 »
Right. ::frustrated::

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« Reply #31 on: Fri Mar 16, 2012 - 13:32:56 »
Right. ::frustrated::

Submit to the truth and it will set you free.

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« Reply #32 on: Fri Mar 16, 2012 - 15:05:06 »
The truth is he has been running for president since 1988 and has never come close and is more of a libertarian than a conservative.  I don't need to be set free I already have and that is why I am not a RP groupie.  You can only be a leader if you convince enough folks to follow you and he has failed over and over at that.  He will never be president period.
Last word for me on this absurdity.

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« Reply #33 on: Fri Mar 16, 2012 - 15:15:56 »
As long as he will never again be a third party candidate, I'm happy. Maybe we can get Ralph Nader to make another run at the Green Party to offset the stay at home conservatives.

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« Reply #34 on: Sat Mar 17, 2012 - 05:45:43 »
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama

A vote for Newt is a vote for Obama

A vote for Santorum is a vote for Obama

A vote for Mit is a vote for Obama

::headscratch:: so, how are y'all who are voting for these guys gonna accomplish anything other than getting Obama reelected?)