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Re: I'm voting for...........(President)
« Reply #35 on: Sat Mar 17, 2012 - 09:24:47 »
By not staying home and voting for the only human who has any possibility to defeat him, the GOP nominee. What happens in the primary is not what counts towards defeating Obama. Support someone in the primary and then you have two choices Obama or the GOP nominee, a conaervative 3rd party or non vote IS one chalked for Obama.

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« Reply #36 on: Sat Mar 17, 2012 - 11:21:16 »
By not staying home and voting for the only human who has any possibility to defeat him, the GOP nominee. What happens in the primary is not what counts towards defeating Obama. Support someone in the primary and then you have two choices Obama or the GOP nominee, a conaervative 3rd party or non vote IS one chalked for Obama.


A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama

A vote for Newt is a vote for Obama

A vote for Santorum is a vote for Obama

A vote for Mit is a vote for Obama

::headscratch:: so, how are y'all who are voting for these guys gonna accomplish anything other than getting Obama reelected?)

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Re: I'm voting for...........(President)
« Reply #37 on: Sat Mar 17, 2012 - 11:27:18 »
Nah voting for the GOP nominee in the general election, WHOEVER he is, is a vote against Obama. There is no other vote that counts against Obama. Third party or non vote is without a doubt a vote cast against Obama's opponent. VOTE for  or against Obama. It's easy.

Every vote cast or withheld has impact on whether Obama is re-elected or not.
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« Reply #38 on: Mon Mar 19, 2012 - 13:42:50 »
They are smart enough to know that all running are career politicians including Paul.  That is why they are not excited.  But the real battle is still to get conservatives (notice I did not say republicans) in charge of both houses.

Really? If you're so smart then why didn't you know that Ron  Paul spent 50 years as an OBGYN or that he went back into the private sector for 10 years after his first two terms in Congress?

Don't do much research do you?

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« Reply #39 on: Mon Mar 19, 2012 - 13:50:52 »
The truth is he has been running for president since 1988 and has never come close and is more of a libertarian than a conservative.  I don't need to be set free I already have and that is why I am not a RP groupie.  You can only be a leader if you convince enough folks to follow you and he has failed over and over at that.  He will never be president period.
Last word for me on this absurdity.

Good that you gave your last word because most of what you say is wrong anyway.

Ron Paul ran for president in 1988. Yes, but hten he went back into the private sector. He ran again in 08 like Romney and now he's running in 2012. So though you're not going to respond, I will say it for you. You stand corrected.

Here's another one fer ya fella. Though Santorum won the non binding straw poll in Minnosota, Ron Paul got all but one of the delegates. HE got all of them from Alaska. Nearly all from Nevada. Most from Iowa. Did your venerated New York Times or your other valued mainstream media sources tell you that? Oh wait. You won't answer because I'm a 53 year old Ron Paul groupie

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« Reply #40 on: Tue Mar 20, 2012 - 09:54:16 »
In short, Paul is running a distant 4th in delegate count.

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« Reply #41 on: Tue Mar 20, 2012 - 14:55:31 »
this one seems the most generous to Paul and it shows that he is yet to win the most delegates of any of the states to select delegates.

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« Reply #42 on: Tue Mar 20, 2012 - 16:07:27 »
I am no longer a member in the church of Republican. Now I am free to cast my vote for the best man

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« Reply #43 on: Tue Mar 20, 2012 - 18:26:01 »
I said I would not talk with RP groupies any more but this is just crazy.  How do you figure RP is second in delicate count.  He has 46 and is dead last.  You have to win some states to get a lot of delegates and he has not done that.
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates


My answer to that. This just in

http://www.ky3.com/news/ky3-greene-county-ready-to-caucus-20120316,0,7536733.story?hpt=po_bn6

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« Reply #45 on: Thu Mar 22, 2012 - 04:59:01 »
Nah voting for the GOP nominee in the general election, WHOEVER he is, is a vote against Obama. There is no other vote that counts against Obama. Third party or non vote is without a doubt a vote cast against Obama's opponent. VOTE for  or against Obama. It's easy.

Every vote cast or withheld has impact on whether Obama is re-elected or not.



(your own logic:  a vote for someone who has no chance of winning/beating Obama is a wasted vote)

vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama

A vote for Newt is a vote for Obama

A vote for Santorum is a vote for Obama

A vote for Mit is a vote for Obama

::headscratch::  so, how are y'all who are voting for these guys gonna accomplish anything other than getting Obama reelected?)

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« Reply #46 on: Thu Mar 22, 2012 - 06:58:00 »
Nah voting for the GOP nominee in the general election, WHOEVER he is, is a vote against Obama. There is no other vote that counts against Obama. Third party or non vote is without a doubt a vote cast against Obama's opponent. VOTE for  or against Obama. It's easy.

Every vote cast or withheld has impact on whether Obama is re-elected or not.



(your own logic:  a vote for someone who has no chance of winning/beating Obama is a wasted vote)

vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama

A vote for Newt is a vote for Obama

A vote for Santorum is a vote for Obama

A vote for Mit is a vote for Obama

(  ::headscratch::  so, how are y'all who are voting for these guys gonna accomplish anything other than getting Obama reelected?)


All of them have a chance, but some have more than others. A vote for the GOP nominee IS the only one that has a chance to beat Obama, whoever it is. I have never said anything contrary. Primary votes are where people get to make a heart decision. In the general election, it is either Obama or the other guy. I strongly encourage people to vote for whoever in the Primaries. In the General, it truly is Obama or no Obama. Conservative 3rd parties help liberals, and liberal 3rd parties help conservatives. Therefore vote accordingly. Irregardless of which candidate I like, someone who can't come close to winning the GOP nominee, will probably not do any better in the general election. We need a vote magnet to defeat Obama this fall. Proven vote repellers that don't garner at least 30 percent of the primary votes, will not perform any better in the general election in my opinion.

Not voting at all is just lazy and disrespectful for those that have fought and defended our rights here. Ironically, I would much rather see someone honor the right to vote and cast a vote for Obama than to see someone willingly denigrate and dishonor the hard fought right to vote.
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« Reply #47 on: Thu Mar 22, 2012 - 09:10:08 »
Nah voting for the GOP nominee in the general election, WHOEVER he is, is a vote against Obama. There is no other vote that counts against Obama. Third party or non vote is without a doubt a vote cast against Obama's opponent. VOTE for  or against Obama. It's easy.

Every vote cast or withheld has impact on whether Obama is re-elected or not.



(your own logic:  a vote for someone who has no chance of winning/beating Obama is a wasted vote)

vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama

A vote for Newt is a vote for Obama

A vote for Santorum is a vote for Obama

A vote for Mit is a vote for Obama

::headscratch::  so, how are y'all who are voting for these guys gonna accomplish anything other than getting Obama reelected?)


All of them have a chance, but some have more than others. A vote for the GOP nominee IS the only one that has a chance to beat Obama, whoever it is. I have never said anything contrary. Primary votes are where people get to make a heart decision. In the general election, it is either Obama or the other guy. I strongly encourage people to vote for whoever in the Primaries. In the General, it truly is Obama or no Obama. Conservative 3rd parties help liberals, and liberal 3rd parties help conservatives. Therefore vote accordingly. Irregardless of which candidate I like, someone who can't come close to winning the GOP nominee, will probably not do any better in the general election. We need a vote magnet to defeat Obama this fall. Proven vote repellers that don't garner at least 30 percent of the primary votes, will not perform any better in the general election in my opinion.

Not voting at all is just lazy and disrespectful for those that have fought and defended our rights here. Ironically, I would much rather see someone honor the right to vote and cast a vote for Obama than to see someone willingly denigrate and dishonor the hard fought right to vote.



Yep!! ::tippinghat::

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« Reply #48 on: Thu Mar 22, 2012 - 19:23:51 »
Quote from Jaime:  Not voting at all is just lazy and disrespectful for those that have fought and defended our rights here. Ironically, I would much rather see someone honor the right to vote and cast a vote for Obama than to see someone willingly denigrate and dishonor the hard fought right to vote.
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..............  ::pondering::, well, as one who served in the Military for many years, I can assure you that there is no "disrespect," "degeniration," or "dishonor" in NOT voting for someone who one believes to be not worthy of the office they are running for.

Now, that is certainly a really, really good attempt to "guilt trip" and "smear the character" of those who ACTUALLY BELIEVE that the person they vote for SHOULD be qualified for the office, but it ain't SQUAT to me................  ::frown::

Trying to play the "patriotic" hand with me just won't cut it............'cause that dog won't hunt.

As well, I have often stated that while I will not vote for any of the current repubs desiring the presidency, I will certainly vote in the State, County elections, and the Congressional elections.

The comment you made is one often used by the repubs and they don't even realize what they are speaking of.  Always quick to question the patriotism of those who disagree with them by saying they "dishonor" our veterens..............who fought, bled and died to protect our right to vote.

NEWS FLASH!

Those same veterens fought, bled and died to protect the right of any/all Americans to CHOOSE who they would vote for, and if none were qualified, their right to protest by not voting in that particular election.  I know this, because I am one of them.


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Re: I'm voting for...........(President)
« Reply #49 on: Fri Mar 23, 2012 - 21:33:17 »
And you very well know that every vote FOR or non-vote has an impact sometimes other than what we intend. Voting has always been as much an AGAINST activity as it is a FOR activity. Always has been. I'll say it again with gusto, I will at least respect a person who honors the right to vote by exercising it, even if he cancels my vote out. You need to participate in the selection of the President, especially the removal of a terrible one. It's the right thing to do. I have no interest in guilting you, just appealing to common sense, which I know you have.

In a lot of aspects of our lives, we don't get to choose the ideal, we just steer away from obviously the worst choices. Career wise, I didn't go with my ideal choice because there were mitigating circumstances. As a result I settled for the better of two others and both were not ideal. Politics is similar. I have yet to see a perfect candidate. We make a choice, it's either the absolute worst or it's someone somewhat better, and pray that a majority don't want the worst guy.
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« Reply #50 on: Mon Mar 26, 2012 - 21:09:55 »
I do not expect to have a "perfect" candidate...............as I have stated over and over again, I expect for the two parties to put forth a "worthy" candidate.  One who is actually worthy of being President, and not someone whose only worthwhile qualifiation is "well, he ain't that other guy............"

As for respecting folks................I respect folks who have the courage of their convictions, even if those convictions are contrary to mine. 

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« Reply #51 on: Mon Mar 26, 2012 - 21:12:55 »
I do not expect to have a "perfect" candidate...............as I have stated over and over again, I expect for the two parties to put forth a "worthy" candidate.  One who is actually worthy of being President, and not someone whose only worthwhile qualifiation is "well, he ain't that other guy............"

As for respecting folks................I respect folks who have the courage of their convictions, even if those convictions are contrary to mine. 


There's always a lesser bad when there are two candidates to choose from. The country is made up of probably 70 percent of people that don't agree with you and me conservatively speaking. Hence the Mitt Romney affect.

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« Reply #52 on: Mon Mar 26, 2012 - 21:48:28 »
I do not expect to have a "perfect" candidate...............as I have stated over and over again, I expect for the two parties to put forth a "worthy" candidate.  One who is actually worthy of being President, and not someone whose only worthwhile qualifiation is "well, he ain't that other guy............"

As for respecting folks................I respect folks who have the courage of their convictions, even if those convictions are contrary to mine. 


P. Reubens,

There will only be two candidates that have a chance to be President.  Obama and most likely Romney.  You have a choice between voting for going down the wrong path really fast, or at a much slower pace.

My ideal is that we have a President that can turn things around, but I would rather go down the wrong way slow than fast.

If you have a write in vote, or don't vote, as a more conservative type, you are effectively voting Democrat.

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« Reply #53 on: Tue Mar 27, 2012 - 05:08:52 »
I do not expect to have a "perfect" candidate...............as I have stated over and over again, I expect for the two parties to put forth a "worthy" candidate.  One who is actually worthy of being President, and not someone whose only worthwhile qualifiation is "well, he ain't that other guy............"

As for respecting folks................I respect folks who have the courage of their convictions, even if those convictions are contrary to mine. 


P. Reubens,

There will only be two candidates that have a chance to be President.  Obama and most likely Romney.  You have a choice between voting for going down the wrong path really fast, or at a much slower pace.

My ideal is that we have a President that can turn things around, but I would rather go down the wrong way slow than fast.

If you have a write in vote, or don't vote, as a more conservative type, you are effectively voting Democrat.


As to "going down the wrong way slowly," please justify this sort of ideology with Biblical Scripture.  See, I do not lay aside my Christianity when I enter the voting booth as do sodarnmany Americans.  I do not respect anyone who lays aside their commitment to Christ to vote.  As I stated, I respect those who have the courage of their convictions.

As to this tired old story of "you are effectively voting Democrat," that's is and will always be a bunch of bunk.  There is simply no truth in that statement whatsoever.  Neither the Repubs, nor the Dems are "most likely" to receive my vote, for I do not vote Party Line...................it's just bunk.

This continual theme put out here that if someone doesn't vote for a Presidential Candidate is not participating in the Election Process is also just a bunch of bunk.  There are many, many ways to participate in the Election Process other than casting a vote for one of two people/candidates.  Either folks who espouse this ideology are simply not educated concerning the Election Process, or are just trying to "guilt" others into voting for someone who is not deserving of, nor qualifed for the Presidency.

If there are folks who are willing to compramise their convictions and vote for someone who is not deserving of or qualified for a particular office simply based on the ideology that "well, at least he ain't the other guy," then that's their buisness I suppose, but I will not compramise my convictions for Political expidiency.  When I committed my life to God, I committed ALL MY LIFE to God.

Vote for who you wish.............that's your buisness.  As for me and my house, we will not cast a vote for an undeserving/unqualified candidate based on "not the other guy" ideology.

..........enough said by me on this subject............

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Re: I'm voting for...........(President)
« Reply #54 on: Tue Mar 27, 2012 - 11:36:21 »
Probably for the best.

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« Reply #55 on: Sat Apr 14, 2012 - 10:46:02 »
http://patriotpost.us/commentary/2012/04/13/santorum-out-ron-paul-in/

So do you still want to vote for who you think has the best chance at beating Obama or are you going to vote for who the media says has the best chance?

Here is a visual for you. Don't let your media influenced mind tell you that what your eyes see isn't real OK?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp2AlUpn_5c[/youtube]
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« Reply #56 on: Sat Apr 14, 2012 - 15:54:29 »
I am voting for the only person that will have a chance to beat Obama, the GOP nominee. If Ron Paul wants to be that person, I suggest he get after it.

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« Reply #57 on: Sun Apr 15, 2012 - 18:06:17 »
I am voting for the only person that will have a chance to beat Obama, the GOP nominee. If Ron Paul wants to be that person, I suggest he get after it.

I just showed you two links. One to the most recent poll about head to head between Obama vs Romney and Obama Vs Paul and Paul comes out ahead.
I showed you another of enormous crowds at Ron Paul rallies that DWARF the crowds that Romney is drawing.

The ONLY impression that you may have that Ron Paul isn't "getting after it" or isn't in this race to win or doesn't stand a chance to win is coming strictly from the media.
Did you hear that he won most of the delegates in Colorado today? In other words, he WON COLORDO. Did you hear that ANYWHERE in the media?

This election is way more about who can beat Obama. It's about who can beat the establishment that is supporting both Obama and Romney and which is leading us into a Satanic one world government, destroying our freedoms with every new law they pass, and driving us into massive amounts of debt with every breath they take and every promise thay make

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« Reply #58 on: Sun Apr 15, 2012 - 18:16:05 »
If those polls meant anything Paul would be closer in the GOP race. If Ron Paul was so popular it would be showing in the GOP races. Hypothetical don't feed the bulldog.

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« Reply #59 on: Mon Apr 16, 2012 - 20:36:05 »
It is interesting that Paul always poll well until it is time to vote.  Almost as interesting as how his supporters ruined his chances for him.


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« Reply #60 on: Tue Apr 17, 2012 - 17:36:41 »
If those polls meant anything Paul would be closer in the GOP race. If Ron Paul was so popular it would be showing in the GOP races.

Not true. The poll was asking people to pick between Ron Paul and Obama. More chose Paul.

The GOP nomination is asking only republicans to choose between Mitt Romney, Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich. And right now, Ron Paul is in second. Most of the people I know who "support" Mitt Romney are doing so because they think he's the "only one" who can beat Obama. But again, it's circular logic because the polls have consistently, for months shown Paul doing as good and often better against Obama than Romney. The reason is because Ron Paul draws close to 70% of independents against Obama whereas Mitt doesn't draw near that many (probably because of his flip flops on so many issues...he's a lot like John Kerry in that).

I think it's pretty shallow when GOP folks slam Ron Paul because of his age or even his speaking ability. The message and the integrity of the person should be what's top on our list. Not how good they look in a suite and when they were born. And if you want someone who connects with youth, that's Paul by a long shot.

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« Reply #61 on: Tue Apr 17, 2012 - 18:29:10 »
RP was dead last in the delegate count with 4 folks running.  There is no path for him to be the GOP candidate.

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« Reply #62 on: Tue Apr 17, 2012 - 18:45:35 »
If he can't win the most delegates, he won't get a chance to prove the hypothetical poll. His supporters need to worry about getting people to vote for him in the primaries. If he has such a draw on independents, they could certainly vote for him in most primaries.

There is no need to debate coulda, woulda, shoulda. If he has the most support, he will win the nomination (or should I say would have). It isn't a conspiracy or an electoral fluke.
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« Reply #63 on: Thu Apr 19, 2012 - 06:08:34 »
Isn't it amazing that even at this late date the loyal Ron Paul supporters still believe he has a chance to be president when he can not win a primary?  They quote polls from any where that makes him look like he could compete.  However, when the actual votes are counted he is a loser.   ::tippinghat::

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« Reply #64 on: Thu Apr 19, 2012 - 08:19:58 »
It will be amazing-er that if he runs as a 3rd party candidate that they will still vote for him and make the re-election of Obama even more likely, or they will really do a number and stay home accomplishing the same thing.

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« Reply #65 on: Thu Apr 19, 2012 - 17:19:09 »
Come November there will be two types:  Romney voters and Obama supporters.

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« Reply #66 on: Thu Apr 19, 2012 - 22:29:17 »
Obama is going to win b/c you "stick your head in the sand and push the R button" voters didn't get behind Ron Paul.  Good job guys.  All your fault.

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« Reply #67 on: Fri Apr 20, 2012 - 07:50:40 »
Obama is going to win b/c you "stick your head in the sand and push the R button" voters didn't get behind Ron Paul.  Good job guys.  All your fault.

Bull butter.  We haven't even had our primary yet, you Obama supporter.

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« Reply #68 on: Sat Apr 21, 2012 - 06:10:26 »
Te media is outright lying to you all about the delegate count. Ron Paul has way more than what you're being told. Consider Iowa. First the establishment told us that Mittens won. Then they gave it to Santorum. Guess who got most of the delegates from Iowa? Hint. It wasn't Romney or Santorum.

That's only one example. There are a lot more

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Re: I'm voting for...........(President)
« Reply #69 on: Sat Apr 21, 2012 - 08:41:35 »
I say best of luck to RP. It still remains that the only person uner heaven that can beat Obama is the GOP Nominee. I will be screaming at the top of my lungs against any Obama helping 3rd partt efforts, no matter who. If Romney lost the nomination and mounted a 3rd party campaign, I would be his worst enemy.

This time around an AGAINST Obama vote IS paramount.

 

     
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