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I read Elon Musk's email to Twitter employees.

It did not say something to the effect of: you all are actually going to start working full-time (i.e. 40 hours a week) instead of the loafing that I think you're doing. The words he used were "long hours," which absolutely does not imply anywhere near the same thing.

But sure enough, Fox News pulls the whole spiel of how people are just lazy and entitled and more to that effect in response to the mass resignation of Twitter employees over that. I do the same thing with BOTH parties: I listen to exactly what they say or don't say, not just their opposition's portrayal of them.

There is just no way the party is going to make a real comeback with such a willfully distorted picture.

They slog on the same kind of thing for people with college debts who were only trying to do the same entry into careers that their parents did, but had to pay multiple times the same amount of money for the same thing. Herschel Walker was pressed about what he would do about the tuition costs issue, and he said that he'd cut funding if colleges raise their prices. and that's the first time I can think of that a republican showed the slightest thought of a solution in policy for such an issue that was making victims out of people -- again, many who were only trying to do the SAME thing that their parents could do at a fraction of the cost (even adjusted for inflation).

If Democrats' solutions are bad, we have Republicans to blame for not even acknowledging the problem in the first place. Their general reputation of "blame the victim" is well-deserved, just adding insults to injuries.

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I read Elon Musk's email to Twitter employees.

It did not say something to the effect of: you all are actually going to start working full-time (i.e. 40 hours a week) instead of the loafing that I think you're doing. The words he used were "long hours," which absolutely does not imply anywhere near the same thing.

But sure enough, Fox News pulls the whole spiel of how people are just lazy and entitled and more to that effect in response to the mass resignation of Twitter employees over that. I do the same thing with BOTH parties: I listen to exactly what they say or don't say, not just their opposition's portrayal of them.

There is just no way the party is going to make a real comeback with such a willfully distorted picture.

They slog on the same kind of thing for people with college debts who were only trying to do the same entry into careers that their parents did, but had to pay multiple times the same amount of money for the same thing. Herschel Walker was pressed about what he would do about the tuition costs issue, and he said that he'd cut funding if colleges raise their prices. and that's the first time I can think of that a republican showed the slightest thought of a solution in policy for such an issue that was making victims out of people -- again, many who were only trying to do the SAME thing that their parents could do at a fraction of the cost (even adjusted for inflation).

If Democrats' solutions are bad, we have Republicans to blame for not even acknowledging the problem in the first place. Their general reputation of "blame the victim" is well-deserved, just adding insults to injuries.

Seriously? I only know two republicans who play the blame game with the Dems.

One is Mitt Romney and the other is Liz Chaney.

And even at that not even Mittens suggest solving the high gas prices and food prices by shutting down the nations resources for energy that we have.

That is strictly a Dem solution.

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Leave it to the Dems to propose an unconstitutional solution  to the tuition thing. Well played by the Dems who knew their solution was unconstitutional but floated it anyway for getting votes.
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Leave it to the Dems to propose an unconstitutional solution  to the tuition thing. Well played by the Dems who knew their solution was unconstitutional but floated it anyway for getting votes.

This really sounds like: spoken like a true robot.

Did you read what I said or not, Jaime? Constitutional or not, Dems also did the perfect thing to bring out the legitimate evil in conservatives: paint a picture of everyone who is a victim of a thing as someone who is just some kind of lazy/entitled/whatever, on top of the fact that Republicans NEVER campaigned on any kind of policy to address the multiplying cost of tuition.

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 No the significant evil was to play on people’s troubles with an unconstitutional solution they knew would ‘t fly. My hat is off to the evil Democrats through. The GOP would never get away with such.  A solution is probably all those colleges to quit competing for students in offering amenities. Good grief my alma mater barely had a weight room for intramurals at all, and the handball courts were outdoor with cinder block walls and chicken wire ceilings.  Now they have a domed facility with 10 fancy glass fronted indoor racketball courts and several thousand square feet of weight facilities. I think a water park with a lazy river is planned! Way too much competition in creature comforts rather than trying to keep tuition affordable. You bring up a valid issue though. I wonder if the problem is solveable via legislation? Or if the issue is society is way too materialistic? Amenities cost money and must be offset by higher tuition. Maybe more “spartan” accommodations is a good beginning.

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No the significant evil was to play on people’s troubles with an unconstitutional solution they knew would ‘t fly. My hat is off to the evil Democrats through. The GOP would never get away with such.  A solution is probably all those colleges to quit competing for students in offering amenities. Good grief my alma mater barely had a weight room for intramurals at all, and the handball courts were outdoor with cinder block walls and chicken wire ceilings.  Now they have a domed facility with 10 fancy glass fronted indoor racketball courts and several thousand square feet of weight facilities. I think a water park with a lazy river is planned! Way too much competition in creature comforts rather than trying to keep tuition affordable. You bring up a valid issue. I wonder if the solution is solveable via legislation? Or if the issue is society is way too materialistic? Amenities cost money and must be offset by higher tuition. Maybe more “spartan” accommodations is a good beginning.

Another spectacular rant about absolutely nothing to do with what's said: WHAT did Republicans EVER do as far as campaigning on a solution to multiplying tuition costs within the decades that it happened?

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There is no political solution in my opinion. ( Notice the last part - IN MY OPINION) The problem is as I stated in my previous post. Price controls don’t work. It’s going to have to be much more of a introspective solution by the colleges. HOW that is inspired, I don’t know. They can’t continue to compete on creature comforts. Some day people will not be able to go to college. I sure wouldn’t have at the prices today. And borrowing into oblivion would not have been an option for me. I woulda probably just gone to trade school like I really wanted to do anyway.

I don’t care if you don’t like my posts. Knock yourself out though! I am responding as honestly as I can. So wait for a response you like from someone else. Or tell us WHAT Republicans or Democrats COULD DO constructively. I will abstain from further comment being unworthy and all.
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There is no political solution in my opinion

Even though colleges are publicly funded?

And if college crossed the line into becoming unviable, what did Republicans ever have to say about alternative routes to the same sorts of employment that the Boomer generation had at so much smaller cost (among whom so many were so self-congratulating nevertheless)?

The whole thing reeks of their voter base not even caring about what future generations would inherit.

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There is no political solution in my opinion. ( Notice the last part - IN MY OPINION) The problem is as I stated in my previous post. Price controls don’t work. It’s going to have to be much more of a introspective solution by the colleges. HOW that is inspired, I don’t know. They can’t continue to compete on creature comforts. Some day people will not be able to go to college. I sure wouldn’t have at the prices today. And borrowing into oblivion would not have been an option for me. I woulda probably just gone to trade school like I really wanted to do anyway.

I don’t care if you don’t like my posts. Knock yourself out though! I am responding as honestly as I can. So wait for a response you like from someone else. Or tell us WHAT Republicans or Democrats COULD DO constructively. I will abstain from further comment being unworthy and all.
Price controls work with utilities.  Why not try them out with public universities?

If the public universities were cost-controlled, it would also drive down the cost of a private education...

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Maybe it might curb the smorgasbord of the amenities they try to offer to lure students. They could affect the public money stream; however many public universities are supplementally funded by large private endowments. That money has exploded in recent decades spurring the lavish spending. In the last, my alma mater Texas Tech could not compete with the endowment money fliwing into the University of Texas. It’s still hard, but Tech being part of the Big 12 conference increased spending expectations in order to compete sports-wise, which spora equity never really materiiized. Of course now UT and OU are moving to the SEC where the elite money is in TV contracts etc. i would be in favor of somehow curbing this keeping up with the Joneses orgy that also spawns higher tuitions. Althogh now a new competition has arisen on how much universities should PAY student athletes. All linked to success in sports. Raising the bar on keeping up with the Joneses.
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Project Veritas had some secret video of a Twitter employee saying most of them don't work very hard.  Meaning nowhere near 40 hours of actual work.

As far as college costs.  Stop giving grants and loans for degree programs that can't ever pay back loans.  Cost benefit analysis should be used.  The amount of loans given is why college costs have risen.
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Some countries offer free college.  But only the brightest get that opportunity. 

We need to stop subsidizing kids with bad grades and trash degrees.  We don't need to prop up professors making 100k teaching about underwater basket weaving on the government dime.

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If I had it to do over again, I probably would go to trade school. No way would I have the finances for the current college tuition and expenses. I think we will soon see massive shortages in skilled trades.
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And here I thought the Repubs were supposed to be conservatives. 

My dictionary defines a "conservative" as someone who is either trying to maintain the status quo or revert back to an earlier status quo; and a "liberal" as one who is trying to change the status quo.

The former status quo was a truly free market system.  Not trying to control prices or services/ let the market do that. 
Also the former status quo was 8-12 hours of nose to the grindstone work every day, at least 5 days a week if not more. For my first 20 years in the workforce I routinely worked 55-60 hours a week and "time off" for vacations was strictly discouraged. You were given a 2 week paycheck annually for "vacation" but have fun trying to schedule any time off.  There was no paid sick leave.

I see Musk as just another liberal rich guy.

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If I had it to do over again, I probably would probably fontontrade school. No way would I have the finances for the current college tuition and expenses. I think we will soon see massive shortsges in skilled trades.


We already do see a massive shortage in skilled trades, it's one of the reasons that contractors can quote on a kitchen reno and pick a number out of the sky, based on what he might think the job is worth + an extra 50%. Electricians, HVAC, and plumbers are doing it too, simple repairs have escalated into major repair bills for the home or business owner.


There are so many reasons why there are such big shortages in trades today, but the biggest ones seem to be that independent businesses don't want to invest in apprenticeships, and the class of youth we are producing these days are not interested in working that hard, both mentally and physically. 

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And here I thought the Repubs were supposed to be conservatives. 

My dictionary defines a "conservative" as someone who is either trying to maintain the status quo or revert back to an earlier status quo; and a "liberal" as one who is trying to change the status quo.

The former status quo was a truly free market system.  Not trying to control prices or services/ let the market do that. 
Also the former status quo was 8-12 hours of nose to the grindstone work every day, at least 5 days a week if not more. For my first 20 years in the workforce I routinely worked 55-60 hours a week and "time off" for vacations was strictly discouraged. You were given a 2 week paycheck annually for "vacation" but have fun trying to schedule any time off.  There was no paid sick leave.

I see Musk as just another liberal rich guy.

Musk doesn't want to pay for people to sit on their butts like they did at Twitter.  Can't make money that way.  Liberal or not, rich guys don't stay rich by having slacker employees. 

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I am encouraging my son to go into trades.  Locally, IBEW is paying kids to learn.

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Musk doesn't want to pay for people to sit on their butts like they did at Twitter.  Can't make money that way.  Liberal or not, rich guys don't stay rich by having slacker employees. 
I agree.  He seems (at least in this regard) as more conservative than the previous owners.  However, does anyone under 40 years old understand what "nose to the grindstone" actually means?

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I agree.  He seems (at least in this regard) as more conservative than the previous owners.  However, does anyone under 40 years old understand what "nose to the grindstone" actually means?
None that vote democrat!  ::smile::
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I am encouraging my son to go into trades.  Locally, IBEW is paying kids to learn.


I believe that is a top tier trade, especially commercial. I truly wish I had of stuck with electrical rather than drift toward automotive, it's a much better trade, in a much better work environment, and it pays much better money. HVAC would be my 2nd choice.

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I don’t care if you don’t like my posts. Knock yourself out though! I am responding as honestly as I can. So wait for a response you like from someone else. Or tell us WHAT Republicans or Democrats COULD DO constructively. I will abstain from further comment being unworthy and all.

You have a point Jaime. I apologize. I'm generally meaning to adjust my tone, and as you can see, I blew it this time.

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And here I thought the Repubs were supposed to be conservatives. 

My dictionary defines a "conservative" as someone who is either trying to maintain the status quo or revert back to an earlier status quo; and a "liberal" as one who is trying to change the status quo.

The former status quo was a truly free market system.  Not trying to control prices or services/ let the market do that. 
Also the former status quo was 8-12 hours of nose to the grindstone work every day, at least 5 days a week if not more. For my first 20 years in the workforce I routinely worked 55-60 hours a week and "time off" for vacations was strictly discouraged. You were given a 2 week paycheck annually for "vacation" but have fun trying to schedule any time off.  There was no paid sick leave.

I see Musk as just another liberal rich guy.
Elon isn't a conservative.  Just ask him - he'll tell you!

He's stated on multiple occasions that he is politically independent, and that he has voted for Democrats for all his life up til now.  He also says that the reason he voted blue until now, was that the Republicans appeared to him to be the extremists in the U.S.  Now, he has recognized the extremist on the left, and is shifting to vote against that. 

I am not sure I believe him on that... but one thing is for sure.  He's a capitalist.  He's sunk a ton of money into industries where a virtual monopoly existed, specifically for the purpose of breaking up said monopoly and creating a competition.

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I am encouraging my son to go into trades.  Locally, IBEW is paying kids to learn.
The IBEW is terrific, tbh.

Here in Arizona, Linemen make something like $100-200K a year.  That's a job you can only get through the IBEW.  A lot of hours during storm season, hard work.

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You have a point Jaime. I apologize. I'm generally meaning to adjust my tone, and as you can see, I blew it this time.

Nah, I understand your frustration. I too need to adjust my tone nozzle! I hope you hang around as much as possible. We need some new input for sure!
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I saw this posted on FB this morning:

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The IBEW is terrific, tbh.

Here in Arizona, Linemen make something like $100-200K a year.  That's a job you can only get through the IBEW.  A lot of hours during storm season, hard work.
I have an extreme dislike for trade unions, be they the Teamsters, UAW, AFL-CIO, or whoever.  I nave been forced to be part of UAW and one other whose name escapes me at the moment. I hated it.

As I told my step dad (who at the time was an avid UAW man) trade unions are nothing more than Marxian Communism lite.  "Workers of the World Unite!" was the battlecry of the Marxist-Leninist revolutions; both in Russia and later China. In trade unions they do not actually take possession of the means of production, they just render it useless via strikes.

a DECADE after we had those talks he was as anti union as I am.
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As I told my step dad (who at the time was an avid UAW man) trade unions are nothing more than Marxian Communism lite.  "Workers of the World Unite!" was the battlecry of the Marxist-Leninist revolutions; both in Russia and later China.
Unions are fascist, not communist. 

The two things are related, in that they both formed at about the same time, in order to address the same problem (the oppression of workers during the Industrial Revolution).  They are not the same.  Two different solutions to the same problem.

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Another spectacular rant about absolutely nothing to do with what's said: WHAT did Republicans EVER do as far as campaigning on a solution to multiplying tuition costs within the decades that it happened?

I saw no "rant."  And your posts are not exactly logical, or even what the attitude of a Christian should be when it comes to the subject.  If you can't pay back a student loan, don't get one.  It's actually that simple.  "Forgiving" the student loans is a misnomer.  The Government isn't forgiving anything.  Instead of the student having to pay back the loans, it ends up being the taxpayers that have to pay them back through higher taxes.  So what you actually advocate is forcing taxpayers to pay back loans that someone else took out.  That's like forcing me to pay off my neighbor's Bimmer because he suddenly didn't want to honor his commitment to pay for the car until it belonged to him.  Not to mention that it is a slap in the face to every single student before this that actually honored their commitment and paid their student loans off.  Why stop at student loans?  If you want to go full-on socialist, just forgive everyone of any loan they have.  You might as well, because the money to do it is actually coming from an empty hole.  Try reading Romans 13.

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I have an extreme dislike for trade unions, be they the Teamsters, UAW, AFL-CIO, or whoever.  I nave been forced to be part of UAW and one other whose name escapes me at the moment. I hated it.

As I told my step dad (who at the time was an avid UAW man) trade unions are nothing more than Marxian Communism lite.  "Workers of the World Unite!" was the battlecry of the Marxist-Leninist revolutions; both in Russia and later China. In trade unions they do not actually take possession of the means of production, they just render it useless via strikes.

a DECADE after we had those talks he was as anti union as I am.

And almost every union out there is backed by organized crime.  So if you are in a union, you might as well find out who runs the local syndicate and just give them the dues directly and cut out the middle man.  Trade unions were a pretty ingenious idea devised by the Mob.  Instead of coming into the deli and threatening to burn the place down if you didn't give them protection money, they strong-armed the companies and got a piece of the action from every single employee.

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Unions are fascist, not communist. 

The two things are related, in that they both formed at about the same time, in order to address the same problem (the oppression of workers during the Industrial Revolution).  They are not the same.  Two different solutions to the same problem.

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There is the tendency, particularly by those on the left, to identify fascism and Nazism as extreme right-wing philosophies.  In my opinion, they are not.  That depends of course on how one defines the left and the right. Fascism and Nazism are Statist philosophies; both set the government above the individual.  That is decidedly a Leftist trait.  That is true for communism, socialism and progressivism as well.  It is true that there are differences between them, but they are all variants of Statism.  They are all Leftist.

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I agree