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« on: Fri Jan 03, 2020 - 17:50:55 »
So now the democrats are defending terrorist.  They thought Trump should have informed them (they have already proven they can not keep a secret). They also said it could escalate the conflict.  So now we should be afraid of Iran?

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« Reply #1 on: Fri Jan 03, 2020 - 17:53:49 »
Shhhhhh, they think they are expressing the disdain of the American people. Freakin’ morons!

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« Reply #2 on: Fri Jan 03, 2020 - 18:15:17 »
Obama handled Iran Sooooo much better, isn't that just obvious?  ::sarcasm::

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« Reply #3 on: Fri Jan 03, 2020 - 19:58:41 »
A couple pallets of Benjamins would do it!

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« Reply #4 on: Sat Jan 04, 2020 - 07:40:06 »
Yet they still want to brag about Obama taking out osama.  I remember republicans rejoicing about that along with the democrats. 

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Re: Iran
« Reply #5 on: Sat Jan 04, 2020 - 14:10:32 »
So now the democrats are defending terrorist....


Pay attention to the people who are angry that Soleimani is dead. Pay very close attention to those who are angry about it.

People who normalize the dismembering of unborn babies in the womb are angry that Soleimani is dead. People who support the party of Molech are angry that a blood thirsty terrorist is dead.








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« Reply #6 on: Sat Jan 04, 2020 - 14:20:16 »
I heard some rep on TV this morning say he was OK in principal with the operation, just not the Commander in Chief. Strange times we live in.

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« Reply #7 on: Sat Jan 04, 2020 - 14:27:59 »
I heard some rep on TV this morning say he was OK in principal with the operation, just not the Commander in Chief. Strange times we live in.

I heard the same. Someone saying it was the right thing to do, but not the right president to do it.

The people who are angry about Trump taking out a blood thirsty terrorist sat quietly while Obama ok'd over 500 drone strikes without congressional approval. One of those drone strikes was a wedding where women and children were killed. Still...it's ok, cause it's Obama.


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« Reply #8 on: Sat Jan 04, 2020 - 14:32:00 »
So now we should be afraid of Iran?

Saw this tweet today-

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Democrats... Brave enough to kill our unborn children... Just not brave enough to take on our enemies..

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« Reply #9 on: Sat Jan 04, 2020 - 14:49:39 »
Pay attention to the people who are angry that Soleimani is dead. Pay very close attention to those who are angry about it.

People who normalize the dismembering of unborn babies in the womb are angry that Soleimani is dead. People who support the party of Molech are angry that a blood thirsty terrorist is dead.
These very people that are angry that that wicked man is dead, reminds me of what God said to Israel of old:
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Ezekiel 18:29~"Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
What madness it is to vomit forth blasphemies and hatred against those in authority as if their actions were unjust when these very people have absolutely no understanding of what's going on! I'm reminded of what Jude said:
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Jude verse 10~"But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves."
"in those things they corrupt themselves"~ People who normalize the dismembering of unborn babies in the womb are angry that Soleimani is dead....... Dismembering babies in their mother's womb.......Seriouly~which one is truly evil? Their ways are so UNEQUAL and proven to be so every time they open their filthy mouths and spue out their wicked madness and TRUE HATRED for that which is EQUAL and JUST and RIGHTEOUS.   

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Re: Iran
« Reply #10 on: Sat Jan 04, 2020 - 18:39:27 »
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« Reply #11 on: Mon Jan 06, 2020 - 13:57:24 »
What a mess this is turning into. We killed a general to avert war, but immediately send troupes to Iraq in case there is a war set off by the killing. However; Iraq may be embargoed unless they pay for the bases we built there after our invasion, and unless they stop complaining about the killing of the general within  their borders. The terrorist state, Iran, has sworn vengeance on us, but we may become a terrorist state ourselves and target their cultural centers. Our European and Middle East allies are watching in alarm. All we need now is for Kim Jong to drop a test missile off the coast of Hawaii to see which way the seat of Trump's well worn pants will take him. But in the end maybe everything will be alright. We still have Israel to watch our backs.

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« Reply #12 on: Mon Jan 06, 2020 - 14:08:52 »
We don’t need Israel to watch our backs without Obama capitulating and appeasing our enemies at every turn. I WOULD BE worried if I were Soleimani’s replacement. Or at least he should be worried. Bush and Obama should have long ago taken out Soleimani. (Note the bipartisan bashing.)

European allies in alarm? Heck many American traitors are decrying the iconic Soleimani’s death. Many in the know are saying Soleimani was more dangerous than Bin Laden and Baghdadi.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/604378/

So what that Iran has sworn vengence? They have been wagging the finger of vengence against us since 1979.

Oh well, at least the Dems will have some fodder for future impeachment charges that help re-elect Trump.

Norton have you been listening to that buffoon Colin Kaeperneck who calls America a terrorist nation for targeting brown and black skinned people like Soleimani? Shame on you!

I think Trump and the military are well able to handle any contingency that little Rocket Man might scheme up. Kim was paying attention to what happened to Soleimani. Don’t think his eyes didn’t get as big as saucers when he heard the news. Kim doesn’t want to have his body swept up into several dozen plastic bags.

I saw a meme today where Kim asked his advisors about the Soleimani attack. He said, “Trump did what?” The next frame was Kim on the phone to Trump, “Donald, we OK right?”
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« Reply #13 on: Mon Jan 06, 2020 - 15:05:27 »
If we had had that Donkey's butt McCain in office at some point, we would have had full on war straight away.

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« Reply #14 on: Mon Jan 06, 2020 - 15:13:15 »
Yeah, with the Republican voters. Maverick McCain never met a Republican he liked very well.

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« Reply #15 on: Mon Jan 06, 2020 - 17:46:09 »
Soleimani was just as dangerous as Ben Laden or Baghdadi. As far as administering justice, for the death of our troupes in the middle East, he needed killing. As far as keeping peace in the world, the killing is more questionable. Ben Laden and Baghdadi did not represent any one nation. They were pure terrorists hiding out. How many nations rose up in anger when they were killed? Soleimani was a popular general in a sovereign nation. His death has united a whole nation, that was formerly not very united, against us. That is probably why Bush nor Obama did not take him out. There may be some evidence that when Soleimani was killed he was in Baghdad with Iraqis planning assaults against our soldiers. Killing Soleiman may have been the only way to save some of those troupes. But, if as has been reported, the military intelligence officers said they were surprised  that Trump chose the option to kill Soleimani, So I doubt that many lives were in imminent danger if he was not killed.

Killing the general may have been a brave and heroic action or it may, as I fear, have been a serious blunder, in part brought about by Soleimani's mocking of Trump on TV. What is not in doubt is that Trump's behavior right before and after the killing was appalling. He didn't brief Congress or our allies. His bullying of Iraq. Are we going to war with Iraq again to get a base of operation to counter Iran? Most of all was his threat, twice, to target Iran's cultural sites. Are we going to purposely destroy mosques, schools, hospitals, museums, recreational spots, civic auditoriums,etc, and the people in them? World opinion and allies are very important in the health of a nation, especially during military conflicts. Hitler may have whipped us if he had not betrayed his ally, Russia, who became our ally. Even with the atomic bomb, Japan may not have surrendered if Russia had not been closing in, ready to invade. I have never been as tough as I once thought I was. My country is not as tough as I once thought it was. We need allies.
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« Reply #16 on: Mon Jan 06, 2020 - 18:03:44 »
The only reason we have not won a war since WW2 is we quit fighting them to win.  The purpose of war it to blow up stuff and kill people until the enemy no loner has the will to resist.  But now we talk about non combatants , innocent civilians and rules of how to treat prisoner.  War is a terrible thing and should be a last resort but when it starts it has to be total commitment.  Where was the military target when we dropped the atomic bombs that ended WW2?  Where was the military target when we fire bombed Berlin?  I could give more examples but we simply have lost the desire to fight and end a war.

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« Reply #17 on: Mon Jan 06, 2020 - 18:35:27 »
Norton, I strongly have my doubts that Pelosi and her anti-American minions would have kept a secret and I don’t blame Trump for not trusting them and THEIr behavior has been appalling. He did however give congress a lawful notice within 48 hours. Nothing wring with his notice. Especially with how it came down. The window of time for the decision was minutes, not hours or days.

I am reasonably sure that a lot of reasonable people in Iran, Syria and other places were plenty glad he is gone. In fact there were stories of cheering in the atreets. Not from Fake News CNN. The Iranian people at large are not supportive of their regime.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/604396/

Let not your heart be troubled, the world will be better off with this bad guy gone. The Left in America will continue to decry his death.

Think about this one. Who would Russia, China, Iran, North Korea rather have as President, Trump or any of the Democrats running? You KNOW the answer!

By the way why would our allies prefer an appeaser like Obama rather than a strong President like Trump. I think you know the answer to that as well. Same kinda hysteria when the Left wet their pants over the election of Ronnie Raygun. And the associated clutching the pearls and suffering the vapors when Reagan insisted on leaving in bis speech in Berlin, “Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.” Instead of WWIII, the Berlin wall came down and the Soviet Union dissolved. Yes Virginia a strong resolute President is by FAR better than a weasel appeaser like Obama.
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« Reply #18 on: Mon Jan 06, 2020 - 19:13:06 »


 Heck many American traitors are decrying the iconic Soleimani’s death.


You want to see something sickening- go to Hassan Rouhani's twitter account. (Yes, he has a verified account. Twitter kicks off American patriots on a daily basis, but lets the president of Iran keep his account). Look at his account and you'll see American Democrats kissing his ass - siding with him over our country. There are even idiot Hillary Clinton supporters on his twitter feed begging him to ignore Trump because Hillary is the rightful president.

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« Reply #19 on: Mon Jan 06, 2020 - 19:20:38 »
And Norton thinks Trump is unhinged! Lots of leftie jack asses need to be deported, with all due respect of course......... but none is due!!!!!
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Seriously I am beginning to feel sorry for these idiot Dems. Though someday they will understand just how self destructive they are becoming. It’s like watching the last half of almost any recent Dallas Cowboy season.
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« Reply #20 on: Mon Jan 06, 2020 - 19:22:11 »
The only reason we have not won a war since WW2 is we quit fighting them to win.  The purpose of war it to blow up stuff and kill people until the enemy no loner has the will to resist.  But now we talk about non combatants , innocent civilians and rules of how to treat prisoner.  War is a terrible thing and should be a last resort but when it starts it has to be total commitment.  Where was the military target when we dropped the atomic bombs that ended WW2?  Where was the military target when we fire bombed Berlin?  I could give more examples but we simply have lost the desire to fight and end a war.

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« Reply #21 on: Mon Jan 06, 2020 - 19:30:46 »
I am absolutely sure that America would never have had the guts to save the world in WWII with the present “kind” of Americans that seem to proliferate on the wrong side. Especially with the treasonois Democrat bastions (pun intended) like AOC, Omar and Talib.   
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« Reply #22 on: Mon Jan 06, 2020 - 20:09:36 »
I am absolutely sure that America would never have had the guts to save the world in WWII with the present “kind” of Americans that seem to proliferate on the wrong side. Especially with the treasonois Democrat bastions (pun intended) like AOC, Omar and Talib.
Yep, I agree.
What gets me is the libs here in U.S. kissing up to terrorists and dictators. The same libs who demand the right to rip babies limb from limb in the womb run to the Internet to condemn POTUS for killing a blood thirsty terrorist.

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« Reply #23 on: Mon Jan 06, 2020 - 21:07:21 »
With the anti-Semites in the Democrat ranks, such as Talib and Omar, Hitler would  be a crowd favorite with these Democrats.

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« Reply #24 on: Mon Jan 06, 2020 - 22:54:24 »
The only reason we have not won a war since WW2 is we quit fighting them to win.  The purpose of war it to blow up stuff and kill people until the enemy no loner has the will to resist.  But now we talk about non combatants , innocent civilians and rules of how to treat prisoner.  War is a terrible thing and should be a last resort but when it starts it has to be total commitment.  Where was the military target when we dropped the atomic bombs that ended WW2?  Where was the military target when we fire bombed Berlin?  I could give more examples but we simply have lost the desire to fight and end a war.
You brought up some good points Johnb. Yes. we dropped the atomic bombs on Japan and firebombed German cities without caring that much where the bombs landed. Some of the cities destroyed did not provide much in the way of military output or strategy. Although not many of us are proud of it we did what we had to do to defeat the enemy who killed tens of millions of civilians in China, Eastern Europe, and Russia. As far as I know the countries in China, Eastern Europe, and Russia did nothing to provoke the Germans or Japanese. If the Iranians start a mass slaughter of civilians, then it may be time to start talking about slaughtering their civilians, but until then the Pres needs to keep his mouth shut about it.

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« Reply #25 on: Tue Jan 07, 2020 - 05:22:25 »
You keep every option open in their minds. You don’t start eliminating the retribution we MIGHT do. Trump isn’t about to attack their cultural sites.  If cultural sites mean more to them than being part of civilized nations then we need to know that. He wants them to understand we are dead serious. I think they get the message. They certainly got Obama’s message of capitulation and appeasement. Now they have to be “re-educated”. America is NOT now or ever was what Obama wanted us to be. In his eyes, America was bad and the cause of all the bad in the world because of our exceptionalism, and unfair status as the only super power.

Yes, they know we are strong militarily, but they have seen our weakness of will. They need to wonder what kind of guy IS this Trump. And don’t forget, our other enemies Russia and China are taking note as well. China for sure knows Trump is all business, especially on trade where they have mauled us for 30 or more years.

Yes we live in treacherous times, but we need a leader that other countries believe will go to the mat, and they know we have the might, they have been coached that we don’t have the will. Trump is uncoaching their erroneous impressions.

We don’t need endless wars and nation building as we have had in the past. We can and will deter with our strength and will to slap down any stupid behavior quickly and decisively and quit trying to foist western democracy on our foes. Rogue nations play right or they must fear that we MIGHT actually do them harm. They must chose reasonable behavior or suffering. Being a worldwide sponsor of terrorism is not going to cut it. And of course continue extremely tough economic sanctions which they hate the worst. Have a price to pay and an expectation by our enemies that they WILL pay it. Very similar to Reagan’s Peace through Strength policies. Remember the Mullahs released the hostages in 1980 the day Reagan took office. I wonder why? Do you think they knew something? They knew the days of panty waist Carter were over.
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« Reply #26 on: Tue Jan 07, 2020 - 06:12:11 »
The only reason we have not won a war since WW2 is we quit fighting them to win.
There is a repeating claim that we did not win the Vietnam War.  That is wrong.  We won that war.  There was the Paris Peace Accords. A peace treaty was signed on January 27, 1973, during the Nixon Administration, to establish peace in Vietnam and end the Vietnam War. The treaty included the governments of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam), the Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam), and the United States, as well as the Provisional Revolutionary Government (PRG) that represented indigenous South Vietnamese revolutionaries. As a part of that treaty, the United States agreed to provide South Vietnam with the equipment and supplies needed to defend themselves against any attempt by North Vietnam to violate the treaty.  With the problems of Nixon and the subsequent takeover of the House and the Senate by the Democrats during the Ford Presidency, the Democrats refused to appropriate the necessary funds for the needed equipment and supplies to South Vietnam.  The result of that was North Vietnam, realizing that South Vietnam lacked the necessary equipment and supplies to defend herself, began their final offensive early in 1975.

Saigon fell to the North Vietnamese army supported by Viet Cong units on April 30, 1975. Not only did North Vietnam conquer South Vietnam, but the communists were also victorious in Cambodia when the Khmer Rouge captured Phnom Penh on April 17, as were the Pathet Lao in Laos successful in capturing Vientiane on December 2.

Therefore the United States did actually win the war in Vietnam; however, the Democrats refused to honor the treaty and therefore gave South Vietnam to North Vietnam.  The Democrats literally snatched defeat from the jaws of success.  That is a fact of history.

The real problem now is that we are not at war with any nation or country.  There is no entity against whom we can declare war and with whom we can sign agreements or treaties to end the war.  We are committing the U.S. military to combating terrorism, not fighting a war.  Terrorism is not an entity; terrorists do not constitute a nation, country or recognized state to defeat.  Terrorism is not an act of war; rather terrorism is a criminal act.  The U.S. military, like local law enforcement, cannot prevent such criminal acts. It can only respond to such criminal acts.  It can only provide a policing action in response to the violence.

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« Reply #27 on: Tue Jan 07, 2020 - 06:32:59 »
My service started in 1970.  There were ridiculous rules of engagement in Nam.  The first time we tried one of our own (Lt. Cally) for war crimes.  I don’t think you will find folks who served there saying we won.  A piece agreement that breaks a nation in two is not winning in Korea or Vietnam Nam.  Our hands were tied and the public was turned against the effort. Just like the democrats are trying to do today.  If you are not going to fight a war to win don’t fight.

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« Reply #28 on: Tue Jan 07, 2020 - 07:10:11 »
My service started in 1970.  There were ridiculous rules of engagement in Nam.  The first time we tried one of our own (Lt. Cally) for war crimes.  I don’t think you will find folks who served there saying we won.  A piece agreement that breaks a nation in two is not winning in Korea or Vietnam Nam.  Our hands were tied and the public was turned against the effort. Just like the democrats are trying to do today.  If you are not going to fight a war to win don’t fight.
With all due respect, Johnb, you are only promoting the fallacies of the Left.  We are not fighting a war.  War has not been declared.  We are not at war with any nation.  Our military is acting in a mode of combating criminally violent acts.

Are you suggesting that we do not use our military to combat terrorism?  If that is your position, then so be it.  But I think that would be a mistake.  I, personally, do not have the answer for a national position against foreign terrorist actions against the U.S., but I rather suspect that limiting it to response to acts committed against the U.S. homeland will be even less effective than what is going on now.

As for the problems faced by the military in Vietnam, I think that was because it was being directed on a daily basis by government not the military.  And all the hype the anti-war sentiment, that sentiment was developed by those who did not object to war, per se, rather they objected to war against the communists.  It was initiated and led by the Leftists who objected to war against Leftists.  It was effectively communists here in the U.S. coming out against actions against the communists of North Vietnam, China, etc.

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« Reply #29 on: Tue Jan 07, 2020 - 07:48:10 »
I would agree that we did not win the Viet Nam War. WAY to much micro management. Exactly the opposite is why the Gulf War was so successful. And the fact that the Gulf War was carried out on a desert parking lot as opposed to a jungle.
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« Reply #30 on: Tue Jan 07, 2020 - 08:03:44 »
I would agree that we did not win the Viet Nam War. WAY to much micro management. Exactly the opposite is why the Gulf War was so successful.
Jaime, I just showed you that we won the Vietnam War, but the Democrats literally gave the victory away.  They could not accept a victory against the communist regime.  Google it.  Look it up.

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« Reply #31 on: Tue Jan 07, 2020 - 08:08:39 »
No you showed just why we didn’t win. If we won the war, we definitely lost the peace afterwards. Yeah we won a lot of battles, but no one in government contemplated a victory there and government not the military was calling the shots. Victory was verboten for some of the reasons you did point out. War is not won with the ending in that one. Winners win, we did not. We certainly could have and should have, but didn’t. Winning in those kind of wars includes total victory, not what happened there at the end especially by our government. Nothing was achieved. Certainly not for the price paid.

Wars are won by kicking someone’s butt until they want no more. The VC was almost at that point, but correctly schemed to get what they had been fighting decades for in the “peace” talks. I think you are right about our communists didn’t want us bullying their communist. Winning a war takes military might and governmental will to inflict merciless pain until victory is achieved. We didn’t have the will. Therefore in the end the US lost what they spent decades and hundreds of billions of dollars and 57,000 plus lives for.
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« Reply #32 on: Tue Jan 07, 2020 - 08:43:22 »
As of this AM I have not heard anyone "declare" war against Iran.

I do hear those on the right saying the take out of Soleimani was a good thing. And it had been planned for, not a spur of the moment.

Millions of people turned out for Soleimani's funeral and a stampede ensued.

At least 50 people died and more than 200 were injured in a stampede at a funeral procession for Maj. Gen. Qassem Soleimani, as Iranian authorities struggled to manage the large crowds rallying against the U.S.’s targeted killing of the powerful military leader.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/stampede-at-funeral-procession-for-iranian-commander-kills-35-11578390888

So... it would appear that they will declare war on us. That is, maybe cause they may not be smart enough to not to.

Does that mean POTUS needs to get congressional approval to defend us?

But a more troublesome question is bothering me.

We have about 50% of the population of the US with the mindset, intelligence and IQ of a gnat. No other explanation for their
vile hatred of POTUS and their not wanting anything good that the man has done for them.

It is understandable that they want every conceivable foreigner to move here and to give them things the citizens are not even entitled to to secure their votes... legal or not. It matters none to them.

BUT, can anyone explain, in an understandable way, to me..... why the left wants to let terrorists off the hook?
They will pull their very own baby out of their bodies and kill them but a terrorist like Soleimani ... who has killed more then 500 Americans, that we know about.... they, American citizens,  are horrified he is gone.

By their thinking, had it existed prior to 12/7/1941 Hawaii would be a Japanese extension and we all would be speaking German.






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Re: Iran
« Reply #33 on: Tue Jan 07, 2020 - 08:43:55 »
We signed a treaty. North Vietnam signed the treaty.  South Vietnam signed the treaty. All treaties have to be enforced.  The Democrats defaulted on the enforcement of the treaty.

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Re: Iran
« Reply #34 on: Tue Jan 07, 2020 - 08:54:28 »
Yes 4WD. We as a country and government gave away what the military achieved. In the end we conceded defeat, unfortunately for the thousands who suffered and died there, for WHAT? I am not minimizing what the military accomplished, but I am absolutely pointing out what the government did and didn’t do towards any victory. Victory in the classic sense was not achieved because of the government as you pointed out. I hated it then and still hate it.