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« on: October 30, 2009, 03:10:49 PM »
I was reading an article that said that Obama  he came to Jesus 17 years ago and was baptized too  and classifies himself as a  Christian.   But many people say he is Muslim. 
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2009, 03:55:56 PM »
I will reference scripture with this. You pray about it and compare what you have seen and what you have heard with these scriptures.


1 John 3:7-10
7Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. 9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

Matthew 7:15-23
15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
 21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Luke 6:43-45
43"No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. 44Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. 45The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2009, 10:29:36 PM »
I'd say he's Christian in the same generic sense than most Americans claim to identify themselves as Christian. He certainly isn't Islamic. I would define him as a secularist in the sense that religious ideas are not the primary basis of his decision-making.
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2009, 12:43:42 AM »
 I guess my definition of a Christian is one who, really loves and follows God. They will follow the two greatest commandments. I guess I agree with log on Obama, as Obama is a secularist. I do not know about Muslim, in some ways it seems so, and others it does not. Time will tell.
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2009, 06:28:13 AM »
Quote from: Logismos on October 30, 2009, 10:29:36 PM
I'd say he's Christian in the same generic sense than most Americans claim to identify themselves as Christian. He certainly isn't Islamic. I would define him as a secularist in the sense that religious ideas are not the primary basis of his decision-making.

For once, I agree with you.

As far as the "generic Christian thing", a lot of people who claim to be, aren't.
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2009, 08:28:04 AM »
Obama says he is.  I guess I will take him at his word unless he shows me different.  He appears to be a good family man, affable, etc.  On the other hand, he is the worst president we have had in my 50 years.  As far as being a Christian, it seems the former is more telling than the later.

I'd much rather see him living in the house next to mine than in the White House.
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Suffering for your beliefs is called faithfulness, making others suffer for your beliefs is called being a jerk.

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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2009, 04:00:15 PM »
I'd much rather see him living in the house next to mine than in the White House.


Thats a very well stated idea. I like it, as usual its the way you tawk...mmm hmmm
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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2009, 11:37:08 AM »
 The Lord said You should know them by their fruit.
 To me Obama's fruit is rotten.
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2009, 11:42:54 AM »
Will we know him by his nuts? (His Czar appointments)
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2009, 07:59:09 PM »
Quote from: Logismos on October 30, 2009, 10:29:36 PM
He certainly isn't Islamic.

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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2009, 11:27:20 PM »
A tiny phrase taken out of context. If you actually look at what he is saying in the interview it makes sense. He's saying that John McCain did not make accusations about him being Muslim. The way he worded it along with George Stephanopoulos's interruption made it seem like he was equivocating on what his faith is which makes an easy sound bite for conservative commentators who don't care about context so long as it makes him look bad. I personally wouldn't care if he was Muslim as long as he was primarily a secularist as he currently is.
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2009, 01:06:38 AM »
I wouldn't want a Muslim president just like I wouldn't want a Nazi president.  If a Christian is going to be president, it would be good if he were a libertarian so as to not smear the faith.
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taller, better looking and smarter . . .

They turned me loose from the nervous hospital.  Said I was well.  Mmm hmm.

Suffering for your beliefs is called faithfulness, making others suffer for your beliefs is called being a jerk.

His cross, like the ark in the wilderness, is the center around which his people are to encamp; so that they cannot separate into factions, or withdraw from each other, without retiring at the same time from the presence of the cross.
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2009, 01:16:27 AM »
I highly doubt one can be a successful national politician and be a faithful Christian.
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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2009, 06:01:08 AM »
I have the same doubt unless such a politician is very libertarian in nature and has a career of dismantling the leviathan.
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taller, better looking and smarter . . .

They turned me loose from the nervous hospital.  Said I was well.  Mmm hmm.

Suffering for your beliefs is called faithfulness, making others suffer for your beliefs is called being a jerk.

His cross, like the ark in the wilderness, is the center around which his people are to encamp; so that they cannot separate into factions, or withdraw from each other, without retiring at the same time from the presence of the cross.
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2009, 01:44:32 PM »
Quote from: Mere Nick on November 03, 2009, 06:01:08 AM
I have the same doubt unless such a politician is very libertarian in nature and has a career of dismantling the leviathan.

Who would that be?
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