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Re: Islam is the problem
« Reply #385 on: Wed Oct 12, 2016 - 18:49:10 »
Crow, our church and several others in town, not cofc mind you, support a group called China Aid Founded by Bob Fu, who was was a religious dissident in China a coiple of decades ago. He was the subject of a book entitled Heavenly Man that chronicled his imprisonment, torture etc over his involvement with the house church movement in China. Absolutely amazing story of perseverance.

He is the one I heard put forth the notion that the Muslim world will be evangelized from the east because of the Body of Christ having such a painful history. He says the West is too soft to stand up to the inevitable persecution in bringing Christ to the Middle East. At the time he first came to Midland, he claimed that there was well over 250 million house church  hristians meeting in secret in China.
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Crow, our church and several others in town, not cofc mind you, support a group called China Aid Founded by Bob Fu, who was was a religious dissident in China a coiple of decades ago. He was the subject of a book entitled Heavenly Man that chronicled his imprisonment, torture etc over his involvement with the house church movement in China. Absolutely amazing story of perseverance.

He is the one I heard put forth the notion that the Muslim world will be evangelized from the east because of the Body of Christ having such a painful history. He says the West is too soft to stand up to the inevitable persecution in bringing Christ to the Middle East. At the time he first came to Midland, he claimed that there was well over 250 million house church  hristians meeting in secret in China.

Thank you, Jaime. That gives me a good starting point. Can you imagine if China went full blown Christian and actually got it right??!!  ::smile::

I'll do some studying. Might keep me out of the politics forum for a spell.................................. Naw, that ain't gonna happen!  rofl

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« Reply #388 on: Wed Oct 12, 2016 - 19:26:34 »
Thank you.

But you're not gonna keep me out of the politics forum with distractions!  ::giggle::

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« Reply #389 on: Wed Oct 12, 2016 - 19:33:26 »
Great example Jaime. If I am not mistaken Bob Fu has at least one, perhaps two testimonies in the Voice of Martyrs devotional entitled:"Extreme Devotion," depicting certain periods of late century struggle balancing "hiding home churches,"  while openly proclaiming Christ in China. To openly proclaim still meant persecution, torture, imprisonment, even death. I concur with his assessment also. Its easier for one accustomed to suffering and even greater dictatorship of their service to persevere through the potentially life-threatening situations some find themselves in..basically stop believing or be tortured and perish. There is a great testimony also in this devotional that basically reads like this:

  ( Somewhere in Romania, circa 1980's)
   During a church service, two russian soldiers bust in the front doors of the church. They say everyone will be shot for their faith. Whoever was willing to deny Christ and turn from the belief, stand off to the left. They would be allowed to go free. Those who insisted on being committed to Christian principle were to line up on the right. They would be executed for their foolish and vain faith. As the line on the left sold their souls for another day's life; they waved apologetically at those stoicly standing on the right; ready to die for their belief. As soon as the last of the left hand line exited the door, the soldiers barred the doors from the inside, turned around, and as they looked in the eyes of the believers ready to die for their faith.....the soldiers set down their rifles and said, "Don't worry folks, we also are believers; but we wished to worship without hypocrites!!"

   You see, at any point these soldiers could be killed for their faith. They wanted nothing to do with ''soft," believers whose hearts were not equally committed. I can see why Bob feels the way he feels and agree in essence.

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« Reply #390 on: Wed Oct 12, 2016 - 20:20:25 »
I agree Crow, and Islam is NOT just another world religion. It is very much a political system and a way to control people under the guise of religion. I do believe there can be and likely will be many Muslim converts to Christianity over the years, but I seriously doubt it will come at the hand of the West. It will likely come from the East.....China. Those folks have been persecuted for decades for Christ and have the tenacity without the baggage the West has to carry the message from the East back to the Middle East, in effect circling the globe from the Great Commission. I don't know any ex muslim Christian except one who is probably the most devout Christian, and anti-Muslim on the planet. He is adamant that the West doesn't understand Islam and its threat. He's the one that insisted  on the notion to me that there are NO such thing as moderate muslims. Being a Muslim in his prior life.


I know quite a few Iraqis, Iranians, and Pakistanis, all of them Christian and not one of them has ever said that we should fear Islam. The one fellow makes regular trips to Tehran in hopes of bringing more of his fellow country men to the light of Jesus. Life in the majority of these middle east countries is not how the west portrays it to be, and secularism is becoming more and more popular amongst Islamic nations, in the sense that they may still be muslim but they prefer free thought without religious bondage.

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« Reply #391 on: Wed Oct 12, 2016 - 20:35:58 »
I agree Crow, and Islam is NOT just another world religion. It is very much a political system and a way to control people under the guise of religion. I do believe there can be and likely will be many Muslim converts to Christianity over the years, but I seriously doubt it will come at the hand of the West. It will likely come from the East.....China. Those folks have been persecuted for decades for Christ and have the tenacity without the baggage the West has to carry the message from the East back to the Middle East, in effect circling the globe from the Great Commission. I don't know any ex muslim Christian except one who is probably the most devout Christian, and anti-Muslim on the planet. He is adamant that the West doesn't understand Islam and its threat. He's the one that insisted  on the notion to me that there are NO such thing as moderate muslims. Being a Muslim in his prior life.


I know quite a few Iraqis, Iranians, and Pakistanis, all of them Christian and not one of them has ever said that we should fear Islam. The one fellow makes regular trips to Tehran in hopes of bringing more of his fellow country men to the light of Jesus. Life in the majority of these middle east countries is not how the west portrays it to be, and secularism is becoming more and more popular amongst Islamic nations, in the sense that they may still be muslim but they prefer free thought without religious bondage.

Well, that makes sense, but offers zero in the way of comfort. The estimate is currently 10% of Muslims are what is called "radicalized" . Logic follows 90% are not. And thankfully there are many faux Muslims. But none of that changes the ideology. None of that changes the fact that radicalization is growing, not easing. Radical Islamists have killed far greater numbers of Muslims than anyone else, yet the rest of Islam does not unite and rise up against the radicals. Why? Because the faux Muslims, the Muslims that prefer free thought without religious bondage, know they are not being faithful to the ideology in the same manner as the radicals. For a Muslim to deny the tenants of jihad, of convert or kill, would be the same as a Christian denying that Christ is our Lord and Savior. They're not going to do that, and if push comes to shove, far too many are going to stand by those tenants.

Again, the battle is not against the people, it's against the ideology that infects them.

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« Reply #392 on: Wed Oct 12, 2016 - 20:49:12 »
 Alan, I would presume, but don't know that there must secular "Muslims" just as there are secular "Jews". Kinda like Christians in name only type thing. Not sold out to the concept and not really Muslims at all. I understand after the Shah's regime back in the late 70's a lot of the Iranian population around the world especially the expatriated Iranians are very secular or westernized.
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« Reply #393 on: Tue Aug 29, 2017 - 21:33:42 »
If you keep saying 'radical Islam', then you offer no solution.   You must recognize that 'Islam' is the problem.

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I cannot believe that you said,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,., & I quote:

"You must recognize that 'Islam' is the problem"

In the USA that would be considered a "racist" statement. Be careful what you say in the USA

just a suggestion (:-


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« Reply #394 on: Tue Aug 29, 2017 - 22:08:05 »
I cannot believe that you said,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,., & I quote:

"You must recognize that 'Islam' is the problem"

In the USA that would be considered a "racist" statement. Be careful what you say in the USA

just a suggestion (:-

Islam isn't a race.  Just sayin'   ::smile::

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Soon Trump will be impeached & then removed from office.

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« Reply #396 on: Sun Dec 03, 2017 - 15:25:18 »
Soon Trump will be impeached & then removed from office.


You squishies will likely stop saying foolish things around the 42nd month, and then again around the 84th month.

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« Reply #397 on: Sun Dec 03, 2017 - 15:32:12 »

You squishies will likely stop saying foolish things around the 42nd month, and then again around the 84th month.

Now that was funny !

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« Reply #398 on: Thu Jan 11, 2018 - 11:27:14 »
"Islam isn't a race.  Just sayin'   ::smile::"

Is Judaism as race?
Or a race of people who follow Judaism?
just asking

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« Reply #399 on: Thu Jan 11, 2018 - 12:10:54 »
"Islam isn't a race.  Just sayin'   ::smile::"

Is Judaism as race?
Or a race of people who follow Judaism?
just asking

The vast majority of those who are religiously Jewish are also ethnically Jewish.

Those who follow Islam are of many ethnicities or races.

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« Reply #400 on: Thu Jan 11, 2018 - 14:17:38 »
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