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« on: September 15, 2009, 03:07:28 PM »

Judge David Carter Orders Discovery in the Obama Birth Certificate Case

I'm not able to confirm anything from a major media source yet (checking CNN, Fox, MSNBC, Newsmax and others as I have time) but several small media sources are confirming that judge David Carter of California has ordered discovery concerning Barack Obama's failure to produce a birth certificate as proof of natural citizenship. This would mean that Obama has 30 days to produce a birth certificate to the judge.

And he doesn't only have to provide a birth certificate. Here's a link (http://www.scribd.com/doc/19548434/KEYES-v-OBAMA-57-ORDER-SETTING-SCHEDULING-CONFERENCE-FOR-1052009-at-830-AM) with a document that might be helpful. Orly Taitz is Alan Keyes' lawyer and this is the suit that Alan Keyes filed. I saw a link on a mainstream site yesterday that casually mentioned it. The title was "Showdown set for Keyes vs. Obama.

Anyway, if it's true, interesting events could be unfolding. Let me state again that I don't know if it's true or not except that a mainstream show today said "There's a major, earth-shattering story brewing concerning President Obama but I'm waiting on some other confirmations first." (Paraphrased).

So...who knows. Just thought I'd get this up here if it hits so we can start discussing.
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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2009, 06:18:06 PM »

Just found this about Judge David Carter:

http://www.ocweekly.com/bestof/2008/award/best-judge-256719/

David O. Carter
Of the dozens of judges in Orange County, Carter stands in a class by himself. Perhaps that's why the former U.S. Marine (battle-tested against communist Vietnamese forces in Khe Sanh), prosecutor, municipal judge and Superior Court judge now serves as a federal judge sitting in the Ronald Reagan Courthouse in Santa Ana. There really isn't any other judge like Carter. He's tough on crime and bad lawyering. Sit in his courtroom, fittingly plush and patriotic, and you'll observe a man, grandfatherly in tone, who could treat defendants like items on a conveyor belt, but instead displays genuine interest in helping folks return to society as good citizens. He's no legal slouch, either. It's not a coincidence that Southern California's most complex criminal cases—the Aryan Brotherhood and Mexican Mafia trials, for example—land in his courtroom

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This on his actions to Obama-failure-to-produce-birth-certificate case.

Judge David Carter refused to hear Obama's request for dismissal today, instead setting a hearing date for Oct. 5, since Obama's attorneys had just filed the motion on Friday. He indicated there was almost no chance that this case would be dismissed. Obama is arguing this lawsuit was filed in the wrong court if you can believe that. I guess Obama would prefer a kangaroo court instead of a Federal court! Assuming Judge Carter denies Obama's motion for dismissal, he will likely then order expedited discovery which will force Obama to release his birth certificate in a timely manner (if he has one).

The judge, who is a former U.S. Marine, repeated several times that this is a very serious case which must be resolved quickly so that the troops know that their Commander in Chief is eligible to hold that position and issue lawful orders to our military in this time of war. He basically said Obama must prove his eligibility to the court! He said Americans deserve to know the truth about their President!
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2009, 07:42:55 PM »

 It is about time. I mentioned earlier to my husband that I did not think he was an American Citizen. The man would not release any records, and where is his personal copy of his Birth certificate. Why not? If he traveled before the election, an original copy would have been on hand. I do not like how everyone that has questions is made to feel stupid for wondering. A democrat, first raised the question.
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2009, 10:13:39 PM »

It still amazes me that the President of the United States STILL refuses to show his birth certificate. And those who are on his side regardless of what he does say that a picture on the Internet (that was changed after a time) is supposed to replace him producing it!

It's really unbelievable. Obama, like a massive hypocrite, stated publicly that McCain should prove he was a natural born citizen. So within 48 hours McCain provided a vaulted copy of his birth certificate, passport information and several other things to an organization who has verified the eligibility of the past several Presidents. When they approached the Obama campaign once he was the Democrat nominee, they refused to provide what he had insisted McCain provided. A year later Obama had spent almost a million dollars to keep him from having to produce his birth certificate.

Now it's actually in FEDERAL court. Alan Keyes who ran against Obama for a senate seat actually had an interesting angle because if Obama is NOT eligible then the senate seat should have gone to Keyes. And because it involves a Senate campaign it's a Federal matter. So if he wasn't eligible to run for Senate...then he wouldn't be eligible to be President.

Rather than show his birth certificate, Obama's lawyer motioned to dismiss. Filing the motion to dismiss itself was more expensive than simply providing the birth certificate to the judge. The judge dismissed the motion to dismiss and trial will start October 5.

It's amazing that Obama could stop this and save himself piles of cash by giving the judge a copy of his birth certificate. Yet he won't. Those who defend him for this are only fooling themselves. Logic says you don't hide something, unless you have something to hide.

I guess we'll find out. My question is, will these Democrats who support him and think it's so outrageous that we'd dare suggest he should do what he demanded John McCain do....I wonder if those Democrats will be upset at him for lying to the world if he can't produce a birth certificate. Or if the Kenyan birth certificate that Keyes' lawyer claims to have is deemed authentic by the federal judge, will Democrats defend him anyway? Or will they be appalled that he lied to the world, committed fraud and who knows what else?
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2009, 10:38:46 PM »

Praying for the safety of Judge Carter and Atty. Taitz and families.



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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2009, 11:40:48 PM »

Praying for the safety of Judge Carter and Atty. Taitz and families.


Ain't that the truth.
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2009, 10:36:15 AM »

It still amazes me that the President of the United States STILL refuses to show his birth certificate. And those who are on his side regardless of what he does say that a picture on the Internet (that was changed after a time) is supposed to replace him producing it!

It's really unbelievable. Obama, like a massive hypocrite, stated publicly that McCain should prove he was a natural born citizen. So within 48 hours McCain provided a vaulted copy of his birth certificate, passport information and several other things to an organization who has verified the eligibility of the past several Presidents. When they approached the Obama campaign once he was the Democrat nominee, they refused to provide what he had insisted McCain provided. A year later Obama had spent almost a million dollars to keep him from having to produce his birth certificate.

Now it's actually in FEDERAL court. Alan Keyes who ran against Obama for a senate seat actually had an interesting angle because if Obama is NOT eligible then the senate seat should have gone to Keyes. And because it involves a Senate campaign it's a Federal matter. So if he wasn't eligible to run for Senate...then he wouldn't be eligible to be President.

Rather than show his birth certificate, Obama's lawyer motioned to dismiss. Filing the motion to dismiss itself was more expensive than simply providing the birth certificate to the judge. The judge dismissed the motion to dismiss and trial will start October 5.

It's amazing that Obama could stop this and save himself piles of cash by giving the judge a copy of his birth certificate. Yet he won't. Those who defend him for this are only fooling themselves. Logic says you don't hide something, unless you have something to hide.

I guess we'll find out. My question is, will these Democrats who support him and think it's so outrageous that we'd dare suggest he should do what he demanded John McCain do....I wonder if those Democrats will be upset at him for lying to the world if he can't produce a birth certificate. Or if the Kenyan birth certificate that Keyes' lawyer claims to have is deemed authentic by the federal judge, will Democrats defend him anyway? Or will they be appalled that he lied to the world, committed fraud and who knows what else?

Ahhh, he's just another crazy "birther"... Right?  It doesn't matter that he is a distinguished veteran or a good standing Federal Judge... Does it?

I am not in the "birther" crowd.. However, I find it very interesting that Obama will not put this to rest... As you said, it would be so easy...
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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2009, 05:29:42 PM »

 Well I am a birther, or altleast have serious questions. If that makes me a " birther" Wait!what the heck is a "birther" anyways. anyone have a definition for that out of Websters Dictionary? That is so dumb, sorry but who is the ninny that sits around thinking up these names.  OK, Lou Dobbs, are very reputable man was tared and feathered. There is much evidence, that has just been ignored. I pray, the truth will be known, one way or another.
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2009, 05:37:10 PM »

Obama showed a legal Certificate of Live Birth, the Hawai'in officials responsible for overseeing birth records have affirmed that the records show the Barack Obama was indeed born in Hawai'i in 1961. What else should he show? and why?
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2009, 06:03:34 PM »

I've had to produce a copy of my birth certificate on several occasions throughout my life (got a drivers license, renewed license, was bonded for a job position, etc).

It was a little annoying last time, since I had to go purchase a certified copy that cost me ~$30 and 2 hours sitting in a government office.

If you get a new job, this is just one of those things you may be asked for.

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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2009, 07:39:22 PM »

I've had to produce a copy of my birth certificate on several occasions throughout my life (got a drivers license, renewed license, was bonded for a job position, etc).

It was a little annoying last time, since I had to go purchase a certified copy that cost me ~$30 and 2 hours sitting in a government office.

If you get a new job, this is just one of those things you may be asked for.

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 Unless you are Barrack H. Obama, you must produce one.  kindergartner's have to have one by the first day of school. Whatever K. Stand by, because everything hidden, will be brought to light, and will be shouted from the roof top. Not my words but Jesus Christ. Now if he was truly born in Hawaii, then why fight all of this at tax payer expense> He is such a hypocrite, he was one of those in the senate, that demanded proof of McCain's eligibility to be in the senate.
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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2009, 09:54:25 AM »

Obama showed a legal Certificate of Live Birth, the Hawai'in officials responsible for overseeing birth records have affirmed that the records show the Barack Obama was indeed born in Hawai'i in 1961. What else should he show? and why?

LOL. So it makes sense for Obama to spend close to 1 million dollars to keep from showing his birth certificate to a judge? If you were being objective you'd see that that doesn't add up. Even a Democrat I know said the other day that it's getting "disturbing and bizarre." He was looking at things honestly and objectively.

Secondly, one person in the state of Hawaii said, "Yeah, it's right here...but I'm going to lock it up now where no one else can see it." Again, it DOESN'T add up if everything is above board.

And by the way, one reason Obama should show it is because he demanded it of John McCain, so that the American people could be assured that McCain was eligible. But then hypocritical Obama has spent a year and close to 1 million dollars preventing his own birth certificate from being looked at by a judge. If Democrats weren't so blinded by wanting their team to win they'd see that something smells very fishy. Just this past week Obama's lawyers filed a motion to dismiss which the judge refused. Just making that motion cost a lot more in legal fees than merely handing the judge the birth certificate and putting this issue to rest!

I'd be ashamed if the candidate I supported wouldn't do something as simple as hand his birth certificate to a judge when something as serious as Presidential eligibility was in question AFTER he's already been elected! The absolute hypocrisy of him publicly demanding McCain produce his birth certificate and then Obama is spending piles of cash to keep from producing his own! Overlooking that kind of hypocrisy shows you've been brainwashed by the left into thinking they can do no wrong.
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2009, 10:27:50 AM »

...And by the way, one reason Obama should show it is because he demanded it of John McCain, so that the American people could be assured that McCain was eligible. ..

No, he didn't.
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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2009, 01:44:58 PM »

KMV,

Yes he did.

Gee I love this game of "Yes he did," vs. "No he didn't."

He did say it, not in a rude or hateful tone, but he simply said that McCain should clear it up to ensure the American citizens have an eligible candidate. I heard it with my own ears. Then a few weeks or months later Obama co-sponsored a senate bill that said McCain was officially eligible. And that was after congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a "natural born citizen," ...but no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth. How odd.

One more thing Kiwimac,

What was posted on the Obama website...and then changed...that was supposedly in support of Obama’s eligibility was not a birth certificate, but something that resembles a “Certification of Live Birth” or COLB, which, even if authentic, does not prove “natural born” U.S. citizenship. In Hawaii, a Certification of Live Birth is issued within a year of a child’s birth to those who register a birth overseas or one that takes place outside of a hospital. Sen. John McCain, born to American parents at a U.S. military base, in contrast, was investigated for his birth in the Panama Canal Zone and to quell the dispute, produced his birth records. The Senate voted unanimously (in a nonbinding resolution) in April 2008 to declare that McCain was indeed, an eligible candidate. A senior official of the McCain campaign showed a reporter a copy of the senator’s birth certificate issued by Canal Zone health authorities.

And how many of us would have Obama's reaction of hiring a team of lawyers when asked to show our birth certificate?! Read the latest on this, with more of the specific of the details mentioned in the OP at http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109242
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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2009, 04:31:01 PM »

Wow...this is a big deal.  I think a lot of people will be eating crow when all is said and done.  How many of us were chastised and ridiculed over this?  Will anyone be able to step up and admit they were wrong?

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