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« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2009, 11:34:24 PM »

No, I'm not.  I've done my own homework, thank you very much.

I would rather hear what you have to say on the Jennings issue.

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« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2009, 11:36:31 PM »

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LOL. The word you were looking for was not "objectionable." You were looking for the word "objective." But it's cute to see you try.

Second, a picture on a website is supposed to be enough? LOL. Yeah, you're right, no one could possibly modify or doctor up an online picture. That just simply doesn't happen ever, right?

And it doesn't surprise me in the least that you don't care that Obama asked John McCain to do something but then won't do it himself. I've learned that the left has a much higher standard for the right than they do for themselves. One additional example of the many is the Jennings appointment.
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« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2009, 11:44:44 PM »

Yeah.. lol. i did have a blond moment with that "objectionABLE".. ha. yeah, i dont really seem to care about the mccain thing, but you guys dont seem to care about the waterboarding instances that bush approved; they were also violating the law. we could go on for hours. (; I just hope people dont go so far as to say they hate our president, even if they you disagree with him, as Christians we're called to respect who God has placed in charge of us, it is for a reason.
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« Reply #63 on: October 07, 2009, 11:49:41 PM »

I hate what he stands for.

This idea that we're obligated to respect all our leaders is from Scripture is a gross misapplication. 

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« Reply #64 on: October 07, 2009, 11:53:05 PM »

God didn't place Obama in charge of us. The American people voted for him. We hired him so to speak. You're not going to get away with blaming this presidency on God! In America WE THE PEOPLE are the leaders, the Pharaoh's, and the Caesars. We select a President. So it is us who God appointed, but we sure can make some terrible decisions--like electing Barack Obama.

And you're still ignoring Jennings.
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« Reply #65 on: October 08, 2009, 12:06:40 AM »

as Christians we're called to respect who God has placed in charge of us, it is for a reason.

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« Reply #66 on: October 08, 2009, 07:52:07 AM »

^ yeah.. "it is for a reason" as in obviously God puts people in authority over us for a reason, and we need to respect them. Bashing them to no end just cuz we dont like em wont solve anything.
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« Reply #67 on: October 08, 2009, 08:04:42 AM »


and jamie- lol! Two things are clear to everyone. First, that Arnold was not born in the US. Second, that you guys are so hilariously against Obama that you'd advocate a movement that has already been disproved with copies of the birth certificate on a rock band's forum. There's also that whole thing about how no one cares anymore, but whatever. Keep talking, it's fun to hear you try and make an argument for your case.



What case? I just said I don't doubt Obama's eligibility.

Plus how do we know Schwarzenoodle was not born here? I know his life story. But I assume if he insisted on running for President, there would be some process by which he was certified to not have been born here!
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« Reply #68 on: October 08, 2009, 08:37:43 AM »

Yeah.. lol. i did have a blond moment with that "objectionABLE".. ha. yeah, i dont really seem to care about the mccain thing, but you guys dont seem to care about the waterboarding instances that bush approved; they were also violating the law. we could go on for hours. (; I just hope people dont go so far as to say they hate our president, even if they you disagree with him, as Christians we're called to respect who God has placed in charge of us, it is for a reason.
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He did not violate the law.  That is a false, unfounded, inflammatory, accusation.  I know you what take me up on it, but I'll give you a chance to take it back before I prove you wrong...again.

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« Reply #69 on: October 08, 2009, 10:31:36 AM »

23, I say yes respect Obama, agree with him when he is right and disagree when he is wrong. I just rarely agree with him. I will not accede to something I believe is wrong no matter who is pushing it.

God did put leaders in place to punish is people on occasion.
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« Reply #70 on: October 08, 2009, 10:55:20 AM »

Would they settle for blue bubblegum cigar with a wrapper that says "Congratulations it's a boy!" from grandma's keepsake book?
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« Reply #71 on: October 08, 2009, 01:14:28 PM »

He did not violate the law.  That is a false, unfounded, inflammatory, accusation.  I know you what take me up on it, but I'll give you a chance to take it back before I prove you wrong...again.

Again? Heh, I dont recall you 'proving' anything. The last I remember, you are yet to make a  worthy rebuttal about that LA attack. so, yeah..  And yes, George Bush has committed war crimes in violation of the UN Charter and the Nuremberg Principles. He attacked Iraq, against the decisions of the United Nations, and thus violated the UN Charter. Planning and committing a war of aggression is a violation of the Nuremberg Principles. According to the US Constitution these international treaties are part of the "supreme Law of the Land". Bush has violated the Nuremberg Principles and the UN Charter. Plus, waterboarding is torture. Torture is a violation of international law and the Geneva Conventions. So.. yeah. Bush did violate the law. Try again.
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He did not violate the law.  That is a false, unfounded, inflammatory, accusation.  I know you what take me up on it, but I'll give you a chance to take it back before I prove you wrong...again.

Again? Heh, I dont recall you 'proving' anything. The last I remember, you are yet to make a  worthy rebuttal about that LA attack. so, yeah..  And yes, George Bush has committed war crimes in violation of the UN Charter and the Nuremberg Principles. He attacked Iraq, against the decisions of the United Nations, and thus violated the UN Charter. Planning and committing a war of aggression is a violation of the Nuremberg Principles. According to the US Constitution these international treaties are part of the "supreme Law of the Land". Bush has violated the Nuremberg Principles and the UN Charter. Plus, waterboarding is torture. Torture is a violation of international law and the Geneva Conventions. So.. yeah. Bush did violate the law. Try again.


The geneva conventions do not talk about enemy combatants....  if we followed the Geneva conventions we would summarily execute every non-uniformed combatant as a spy.. and be justified in doing so.

Then you have to define just exactly what torture is.. the conventions are very lax in specifying exactly what torture is.
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« Reply #73 on: October 08, 2009, 01:29:33 PM »

The geneva conventions do not talk about enemy combatants....  if we followed the Geneva conventions we would summarily execute every non-uniformed combatant as a spy.. and be justified in doing so.

Then you have to define just exactly what torture is.. the conventions are very lax in specifying exactly what torture is.

With the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan some lawyers in the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel and in the office of White House counsel Alberto Gonzales advised President Bush that he did not have to comply with the Geneva Conventions in handling detainees in the War on Terrorism. This applied not only to members of al Qa'ida but the entire Taliban, because, they argued, Afghanistan was a "failed state." Despite opposition from the U.S. State Department, which warned against ignoring the Geneva Conventions, the Bush administration thenceforth began holding such individuals captured in Afghanistan under the military order and not under the usual conditions of Prisoners of War. In addition, Preemptive invasion without proof of an imminent attack is an illegal act of military aggression. The Bush Administration has never proved that an attack by Saddam on the U.S. or any other country is imminent.
 
And yes. Waterboarding is a form of torture. Look it up; you could also read some of the posts from the "torture and deception" thread.. might find it interesting. (c'mon, even John McCain, a repub, admits that it is torture... which it clearly is. Also, in May 2008 the author and journalist Christopher Hitchens voluntarily underwent waterboarding and concluded that it was torture).

So yes, the Bush admin did, in fact, violate the law.
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The geneva conventions do not talk about enemy combatants....  if we followed the Geneva conventions we would summarily execute every non-uniformed combatant as a spy.. and be justified in doing so.

Then you have to define just exactly what torture is.. the conventions are very lax in specifying exactly what torture is.

With the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan some lawyers in the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel and in the office of White House counsel Alberto Gonzales advised President Bush that he did not have to comply with the Geneva Conventions in handling detainees in the War on Terrorism. This applied not only to members of al Qa'ida but the entire Taliban, because, they argued, Afghanistan was a "failed state." Despite opposition from the U.S. State Department, which warned against ignoring the Geneva Conventions, the Bush administration thenceforth began holding such individuals captured in Afghanistan under the military order and not under the usual conditions of Prisoners of War. In addition, Preemptive invasion without proof of an imminent attack is an illegal act of military aggression. The Bush Administration has never proved that an attack by Saddam on the U.S. or any other country is imminent.
 
And yes. Waterboarding is a form of torture. Look it up; you could also read some of the posts from the "torture and deception" thread.. might find it interesting. (c'mon, even John McCain, a repub, admits that it is torture... which it clearly is. Also, in May 2008 the author and journalist Christopher Hitchens voluntarily underwent waterboarding and concluded that it was torture).

So yes, the Bush admin did, in fact, violate the law.

If it was a war.. what was the opposing army that fought against us?... one of the main assumptions of the Geneva Conventions was that each state/country would have its own army.

What uniforms did they wear? who was the general in charge of their army?

On a side note, I disagree with invading both iraq and afghanistan. 

And if it was illegal then America should be prosecuted and forced to pay restitution in international court.


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