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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2009, 11:54:57 PM »
How can one be wrong by simply asking him to produce that which proves he is eligible to be in the most powerful office in this country?

That's all that been asked, KAP.  The 'askers' aren't saying he isn't.  The askers simply want to see the proof.  Why resist???   Scratching head....a little confused.  It's the resistance to comply that raises the real questions of eligibility.
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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2009, 09:39:19 AM »
Quote from: phoebe on September 17, 2009, 11:54:57 PM
How can one be wrong by simply asking him to produce that which proves he is eligible to be in the most powerful office in this country?

That's all that been asked, KAP.  The 'askers' aren't saying he isn't.  The askers simply want to see the proof.  Why resist???   Scratching head....a little confused.  It's the resistance to comply that raises the real questions of eligibility.

Right, liberals act like we're so out of line to ask him to prove he's eligible. And yet when I go to Wal-Mart to buy something and use my credit card they ask me to show proof of who I am and that I have a right to use that credit card. Do I hire attorneys to try to block it? No. Do I tell them that another document that similar to a document is posted on the Internet and that is proof? No. I have nothing to hide and I don't make the cashier out to be nuts just for asking me to prove I have a right to the credit card I'm holding. There's no crime in asking the President of the United States to prove he's eligible for the job he has. He was asked before he was elected as well so trying to act like it's beneath the office is obviously suspect. If he's got nothing to hide, he wouldn't be hiding and that's disturbing.
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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2009, 10:28:03 AM »
Quote from: k-pappy on September 17, 2009, 04:31:01 PM
Wow...this is a big deal.  I think a lot of people will be eating crow when all is said and done.  How many of us were chastised and ridiculed over this?  Will anyone be able to step up and admit they were wrong?

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Well thats for sure...one side or the other will have a mea culpa to get done.

I havent been irritating to get at this birth certificate but golly wally isnt it time to show the stinkin thing and be done with this?

What are the possible reasons why he would not do so? Seriously? In the rational world...what possible righteous motive can there be for not just whipping it out?
Note: Claims that he has done so are not answers. EVEN if he DID....thats makes it even worse....why not do it again? Why not reduce his opponents to idiots by shutting them up?
I can think of one reason.

Let it fester until 2011....even let his republican opponent in the next pres race get on the bandwagon.....THEN pull it out as a summer surprise.

I can think of no other answer.
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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2009, 11:57:14 AM »
Not to worry.  Right now a crack team of forensics experts is busy creating him an authentic looking birth certificate.

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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2009, 11:37:07 PM »
Quote from: Mac on September 16, 2009, 10:36:15 AM

Ahhh, he's just another crazy "birther"... Right?  It doesn't matter that he is a distinguished veteran or a good standing Federal Judge... Does it?

I am not in the "birther" crowd.. However, I find it very interesting that Obama will not put this to rest... As you said, it would be so easy...

I AM in the "Birther" crowd....and I think every single solitary American should consider themselves "birthers" because the Constitution SAYS that only an Natural Born Citizen of the United States of America can be President of the United States. Not someone who is not a citizen of this country. Our framers did that for one reason, to keep our enemies from coming here and being elected President. So if you are NOT a "Birther", then you must not be an American either. I am a "BIRTHER", an "AGER", a "2 TERMER", or whatever else "etc'er" you want to call me as long as it relates to the United States Constitution and it's requirements for my leaders in MY COUNTRY. I love this country with everything I have, and I am proud of that. I am proud of our founders, and all the men and women that have given their lives over the past 200+ years to keep my country free and give me the rights that I have to be free, and also the responsibility to force those that refuse to follow the constitution out on their ear.
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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2009, 09:48:06 AM »
Quote from: Patferr on October 04, 2009, 11:37:07 PM
I AM in the "Birther" crowd....and I think every single solitary American should consider themselves "birthers" because the Constitution SAYS that only an Natural Born Citizen of the United States of America can be President of the United States. Not someone who is not a citizen of this country. Our framers did that for one reason, to keep our enemies from coming here and being elected President. So if you are NOT a "Birther", then you must not be an American either. I am a "BIRTHER", an "AGER", a "2 TERMER", or whatever else "etc'er" you want to call me as long as it relates to the United States Constitution and it's requirements for my leaders in MY COUNTRY. I love this country with everything I have, and I am proud of that. I am proud of our founders, and all the men and women that have given their lives over the past 200+ years to keep my country free and give me the rights that I have to be free, and also the responsibility to force those that refuse to follow the constitution out on their ear.

Oh, I agree.

The "birther" label was given to a group of people who were looking for a way to disqualify BO and they latched on to the birth certificate issue... I was not in that corner.. At first.. I was sure that he had met all the requirements.. I mean, come on, this is the office of the President Of the United States.. Right? But after seeing the "pitter-patter" between some, I became interested in what was going on... In the time spent reading and investigating, it became painfully obvious to me, that this would be too easy to end.. I MUST show an original, notarized certificate of birth to register my children at school.. Or to get a social security card... Or marriage licence... Or to sign my kids up for sports at the local city park... I could go on and on...

After reading about it, and seeing that only 1 state (I believe) was provided with his credentials, I was curious.. Then all the other things popped up and on top of the 1.5 million he has spent to NOT show one, I am firmly convinced that the only way to solve this is for him to do the simple thing, show it..

I am waiting to see how this come out.. But I think it is fair to say that if you will spend that kind of money to keep from showing a birth certificate, something is wrong... And that was the premise of the post quoted above...
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« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2009, 01:17:21 PM »
I really hope none of you actually think that our president is not a natural-born american citizen. Seriously, we have NEVER had this problem before - people saying a president was born in a different country. Oh yeah, thats right.. hes also the only BLACK president weve had. we would NOT have this problem if he were white. Seems like an undertone of race is an issue here..

lets see.. first black president, oh.. he couldve been born in AFRICA. yeah. thats not racist at all.
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« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2009, 01:35:20 PM »
Quote from: 23 on October 06, 2009, 01:17:21 PM
I really hope none of you actually think that our president is not a natural-born american citizen. Seriously, we have NEVER had this problem before - people saying a president was born in a different country. Oh yeah, thats right.. hes also the only BLACK president weve had. we would NOT have this problem if he were white. Seems like an undertone of race is an issue here..

lets see.. first black president, oh.. he couldve been born in AFRICA. yeah. thats not racist at all.

The same was asked of John McCain during the election (and he was born in Panama).. he did the right thing and produced the documents and even went further to get congress to pass a bill stating his eligibility to run for president.

All Obama has done is spend 1,000,000 dollars on lawyers and has still not produced the proper documentation.

Whether he is or isn't eligible to be president.. I could care less.. I only care that he is held to the same standards as everyone else.  I don't believe someone should be president because of affirmative action.
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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2009, 01:45:13 PM »
Quote from: Tantor on October 06, 2009, 01:35:20 PM
Quote from: 23 on October 06, 2009, 01:17:21 PM
I really hope none of you actually think that our president is not a natural-born american citizen. Seriously, we have NEVER had this problem before - people saying a president was born in a different country. Oh yeah, thats right.. hes also the only BLACK president weve had. we would NOT have this problem if he were white. Seems like an undertone of race is an issue here..

lets see.. first black president, oh.. he couldve been born in AFRICA. yeah. thats not racist at all.

The same was asked of John McCain during the election (and he was born in Panama).. he did the right thing and produced the documents and even went further to get congress to pass a bill stating his eligibility to run for president.

All Obama has done is spend 1,000,000 dollars on lawyers and has still not produced the proper documentation.

Whether he is or isn't eligible to be president.. I could care less.. I only care that he is held to the same standards as everyone else.  I don't believe someone should be president because of affirmative action.



thats a little different than thinking an african-american was born in.. africa.

the white house has the power to keep and with-hold documents if they desire to. bush did it. EVERY admin. does it. you really think if you got a black president, and crazy right-wingers making rediculous claims like "he was born in africa!" that the WH is really gonna take them seriously and release his BC? its a slap in the face.

http://aroundthesphere.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/obama-birth-certificate1.jpg   - dont see how thats not his the real bc.

all in all, its the product people trying to subvert the democratic process due to a president they don't like. and its quite pathetic if you ask me.
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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2009, 01:54:16 PM »
The rule of law... we all have to follow it.. even the president.  And so far he hasn't.

What good is a democratic process if it never has to follow it's own rules?
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« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2009, 02:01:13 PM »
Quote from: Tantor on October 06, 2009, 01:54:16 PM
The rule of law... we all have to follow it.. even the president.  And so far he hasn't.

What good is a democratic process if it never has to follow it's own rules?


ahh, but they do. look at the link i posted. is it somehow NOT Obama's birth certificite? ... the WH does have a right to not release certain things if doing so isnt necessary. Barack was born in Hawaii, and the people whos mind is invested and knows the legal ins-and-outs will also know that hes a naturl born citizen. people on the shallow-end still make the cry that he was born in Africa. get over it. seriously.  you guys got a pal named bill oreilly, right? well his team looked into it and found that, indeed, he was born in hawaii. see, even right-wingers know when to stop playing a certain hand. by people still thinking he was born in africa, it only makes them look worse; because it clumps the crazy-right with the well-minded right and makes them look as one. but do you know who doesnt care? democrats. heh, dont get me wrong, its a trick done by both sides. ...but the time when people stop being delusional is seriously in doubt.
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« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2009, 02:07:42 PM »
I'm libertarian, btw.. I think the last time I watched Fox News was 3-4 years ago.

And you can squawk all you want but it is a legal issue.  What Obama provided was a certificate of live birth.. which in my case wasn't enough paperwork to get my drivers license.

It took me 6 months to get my civil birth certificate so I could get my drivers license.  Washington DC (where I was born) had to recover it from microfiche..

Apparently it's easier to run for public office then to get a drivers license.... kinda bizarre isn't it?

Time to let the courts earn their keep with this matter... eligible or not, I don't care... I just care that standards are applied equally.
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« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2009, 02:11:34 PM »
23, did you know Obama was one of the loudest voices in the senate, screaming for proof of John McCain's eligibility. No, it is no different. That would be called a double standard if I thought it to be different.
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« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2009, 02:12:53 PM »
Quote from: 23 on October 06, 2009, 01:17:21 PM
I really hope none of you actually think that our president is not a natural-born american citizen. Seriously, we have NEVER had this problem before - people saying a president was born in a different country. Oh yeah, thats right.. hes also the only BLACK president weve had. we would NOT have this problem if he were white. Seems like an undertone of race is an issue here..

lets see.. first black president, oh.. he couldve been born in AFRICA. yeah. thats not racist at all.



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« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2009, 02:15:34 PM »
If you look at how Barrack won all his elections... there is a pattern.. he got all his opponents disqualified (which is what he tried to do to McCain) and ran unopposed.

Now the shoe is on the other foot... I find it quite ironic.
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