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« Reply #180 on: October 27, 2009, 11:03:36 AM »

Logis, you're just plain wrong. What you provided says that they have to have at least one parent in the military if they are born over seas to be a natural-born citizen.

Secondly, no, there's no crime in spending over a million on hiding your birth certificate, but the question is, if he's got nothing to hide, why is he hiding? You are checking your brain at the door by pretending like there's not something fishy going on. I wish you'd be more objective.
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« Reply #181 on: October 27, 2009, 03:06:51 PM »

Logis, you're just plain wrong. What you provided says that they have to have at least one parent in the military if they are born over seas to be a natural-born citizen.

Secondly, no, there's no crime in spending over a million on hiding your birth certificate, but the question is, if he's got nothing to hide, why is he hiding? You are checking your brain at the door by pretending like there's not something fishy going on. I wish you'd be more objective.

 It is actually not his money log, it is yours, and mine, tax payer money spent on his hiding facts. how do you like them apples. Maybe that is what his Nobel Peace prize money is going towards. That or planned parenthood. Pondering
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« Reply #182 on: October 28, 2009, 07:17:41 PM »

This from a group closely watching this case. It's just amazing to me all the shenanigans by Obama and his lawyers. They are acting so guilty. They even sound like their arguments are admitting that his certificate will show he's not eligible and they're trying to say that it's too late. It's so bizarre. All this run around and expense when all they have to do is show the certificate if there's not a problem. Yet they're fighting NOT to show it. For the hundredth time, if he didn't have something to hide he wouldn't be hiding something.

Barack Obama is sweating it out after his attorneys walked into court expecting United States Federal District Court Judge David Carter to dismiss the birth certificate case. Why you ask? Simply because they think Obama is President. Their arguments were hollow and unconvincing and after hearing hours of argument, the Judge Carter took the matter under submission. He has still not issued a ruling, 10 days later!

Is The President Above The Law and the Courts?

Obama's attorneys tried to convince the Judge that no Court in the United States had the jurisdiction to rule on whether Barack Hussein Obama was eligible to serve as President of the United States? In their view he could only be impeached and/or disqualified from the Office of President under the 25th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution.  

NOT TRUE! USJF pointed out to the Court that both the impeachment statutes, and the 25th Amendment required a sitting President, but if Mr. Obama is not eligible to serve as President, he could not be, and never was, a sitting President, so those
options for removal could not apply. Therefore the courts would have jurisdiction.

Monday, October 5, 2009 at 8:30 a.m.,  in California, was a critical milestone for our entire legal and public relations effort to force Barack Obama to produce his birth certificate and to prove whether he is eligible to serve as President of the United States.  And with your support USJF was able to be there to argue the case.  

The case has an excellent chance to survive the Obama team's motion to dismiss what has proven to be the best chance for
America to have a hearing on the merits of this critical Constitutional issue.  

What happened that day in Court?  It's very simple; Obama's attorneys brought up every argument that they could to try to persuade the Court to dismiss this case.  USJF provided sound legal arguments against the Obama team's legal theories; otherwise the whole case could have been over right then and there! The USJF oral arguments will be the difference between this case surviving or being dismissed.  

The Judge raised issues critical to our case:

 1. Did Senators question the eligibility of Mr. Obama? (Yes, Senators Coburn and Shelby and a number of House members.)    

 2. Were objections made by Members of Congress when the vote of the Electoral College was certified? (NO, then Vice-President Cheney had not performed his required duty of asking for objections, so there could have been none raised.)

Obama's attorneys argued that only Congress, and/or the Electoral College, could decide on the eligibility of Mr. Obama. Fortunately, the USJF legal team filed pleadings pointing out that Obama's legal arguments in this regard WERE WRONG!

People at the hearing and those who have found out what happened there since have been contacting USJF, thanking us for standing up for the simple truth!

But the fight is not over yet! We expect a ruling from the Court any day now.  If we defeat the dismissal motion, then we're immediately filing pleadings seeking Mr. Obama's birth certificate, his college records, and so much more.

And if the Court grants the motion to dismiss, we'll be immediately filing an appeal of the decision!

But we can only do this if we have your financial support! Judge Carter has set a trial date of January 26, 2010 in this case.


Again, all the trying to dismiss and slimy mumbo jumbo when all they have to do is provide a birth certificate. If anyone is objectively looking at it, something is very and obviously wrong. There's no reason for him to hide his birth certificate is everything is above board on such a serious issue.
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« Reply #183 on: October 28, 2009, 09:17:28 PM »

You know when the truth of Obama's birth comes out it will mean chaos in the U.S. All the laws, that he signs as President will become null and void, because he is not constitutionally qualified to be President. Which makes him illegitimate, as President, and the laws passed under him or like wise.

All the freedoms he is now trying to take from us will be returned in one shot if it is proven that he is not a natural born citizen, or worse. The suits by Phillip J. Berg are not to prove that he is not natural born, but that he is an illegal alien all together, if he proves his case, not only will Obama be removed from office, but he could be deported, or worse.
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« Reply #183 on: October 28, 2009, 09:17:28 PM »

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« Reply #184 on: October 29, 2009, 07:36:18 PM »

Logis, you're just plain wrong. What you provided says that they have to have at least one parent in the military if they are born over seas to be a natural-born citizen.

Show me the specific clause here in this law, section G, it says that. What does the phrase "may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph" mean?
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« Reply #185 on: October 29, 2009, 11:32:06 PM »

Logis, you'll see, or pretend to see, what you want. You blindly defend Obama no matter how obvious this whole thing is. He's hiding something. And I know that because...he's hiding something.
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« Reply #186 on: October 30, 2009, 12:22:49 PM »

The judge threw the case out...
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« Reply #187 on: October 30, 2009, 01:03:15 PM »

No, not the one we're talking about. There were others thrown out, with one judge even citing "FactCheck.org" as a source. But not Judge Carter, who is a federal judge. The case goes to trial January 5th.
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« Reply #188 on: October 30, 2009, 04:05:06 PM »

No, not the one we're talking about. There were others thrown out, with one judge even citing "FactCheck.org" as a source. But not Judge Carter, who is a federal judge. The case goes to trial January 5th.


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http://cbs2.com/local/President.Obama.Citizenship.2.1279357.html
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« Reply #189 on: October 30, 2009, 04:33:07 PM »

There it is, you're right. It wasn't reported where I was looking. They have appealed and there are 5 other cases outstanding. I think it's interesting that it appears the issue is on who has jurisdiction to remove him. It's a chicken or the egg type thing. Obama's lawyers literally made the case that since he's already the President, that he can't be removed even if he wasn't eligible to be the President in the first place. The judge actually said to them that if he was not eligible then technically he really never was the President. But I guess even he has wimped out. That's a shame. Here's what the article that you linked to said:

U.S. District Court Judge David O. Carter dismissed the case Thursday and said in a written opinion that the U.S. Constitution does not give the court jurisdiction to decide the matter.

Carter says in court papers that the court cannot "sweep away the votes of over 68 million Americans with the stroke of a pen."


But again, if he wasn't eligible to run in the first place, then it wouldn't matter. It almost sounds like an admission of guilt...that Obama really isn't natural born but that the judge is saying it's not his place to remove Obama. It's really simple, if he didn't have anything to hide, he wouldn't be hiding. I think the Judge knows that and....has decided to pass the buck. What a shame. But the beat goes on. It has been appealed and there are other outstanding cases.

It's amazing that rather than simply legally force Obama to prove he's qualified by showing his birth certificate, legal semantic games are being played. It's so simple and his birth certificate would show it all...and for obvious reasons by now, Obama doesn't want his birth certificate to show the truth. Stunning!
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« Reply #190 on: October 30, 2009, 04:41:31 PM »

It was kind-of hidden which surprised me. 

It sickens me.  It no longer matters what the constitution says... Crying and sad.

I appreciate you keeping us up to date on these things.  I have been frequenting this thread even tho I don't say much...
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« Reply #191 on: October 30, 2009, 10:21:16 PM »

Logis, you'll see, or pretend to see, what you want. You blindly defend Obama no matter how obvious this whole thing is.

Okay so you deny that the law defining natural born citizens allows non-military US citizens outside the US to give birth to natural born citizens. Then I ask you to quote the phrase from the law that says that such people must be in the military and you refuse. I ask you to tell me what the phrase "may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement " means and you just ignore it. I think I've asked these questions several times now. Why are you avoiding these simple questions? It seems like you're the one hiding. If you're going to make a claim, then support it.
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« Reply #192 on: October 31, 2009, 12:49:03 AM »

 I knew Judge Carter would fold, he is afraid. Did anyone hear what happened to Lou Dobbs?He is on a non conservative news station, and mentioned the BC. His wife was shot at yesterday, by her car. The man and his family have been harassed beyond belief.
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« Reply #192 on: October 31, 2009, 12:49:03 AM »

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« Reply #193 on: November 02, 2009, 12:54:39 AM »

I'm way more shocked by the fact that Lou Dobbs is married to a Mexican woman (being that he is so wildly anti-Mexican immigration).
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« Reply #194 on: November 02, 2009, 10:38:53 AM »

I'm way more shocked by the fact that Lou Dobbs is married to a Mexican woman (being that he is so wildly anti-Mexican immigration).


See, that's the ignorant fallacy.  Being against illegals is not being prejudicial.  Being an illegal is - ILLEGAL.  Some of us are law-abiding citizens.  We understand that the laws are in place for a reason - for the protection of the legals.  Others seem to think laws are made to be broken.

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