Romans 13 doesn't just apply when we like who is in charge.

 Gary in the Bible it says abide by the laws of the land. Our foundation us the constitution, which allows us the right to speak against those in authority, like King George, or Obama. If not, then people sure shed their blood for nothing. This was a terrorist attack, and bet it goes deeper than this crazy major. betcha.  KMV, I guess GWB, did not count as the Romans thirteen type to you did he? By the way folks We the people are the government, the leader is subject to the citizens. gee, how come you guy's d not get, our governmental system?

Well, that's certainly convenient for you - just reinterpret the passages you don't care for.

So I guess we should "obey" Obama even though his actions are anti-scriptural...

I have not reinterpreted anything. I do not believe that God would ask me to follow some one who is not Godly. Added to that, I also believe that if your premise that we should follow Obama just because is correct, there would not be scripture like I referenced above. The "law of the land" is fine until it crosses God law. He and his party, have crossed Gods law.

See, the difference is, you believe that Obama is a Godly, divinely appointed leader. And I do not. His "fruit" does not bear that out.

 Well Gary, KMV, Marc, it must make us sinfilled to be Christians, and the early framers, speaking against Ole' King George then? Is that what you are saying we should still be subject to Englands Rule. They were just a bunch of God Rebellious sinners, who rebelled against their leaders and God? This is a serious question, and I do not care personally if I convince anyone or not. Elijah spoke against Ahab, John the baptist against herrod, and last but not least Jesus called herrod a " Fox". Your Free to have these discussion because off our Government, our Declaration of Independence states for us to overthrow a Government, that tries to have tyranny. anyone read that? The president is also sworn to abide by the constitution which he uses as Toilet paper.

As I posted earlier, I believe that as long as the man is making decisions that are biblically based and his actions are worthy, fine. But if he is doing things that are contrary to Gods Word, I can not follow his lead. And I do not think God expects me to.

If God would have us follow ungodly leaders, what would we become.

I am sorry, I just disagree with you. And as far as me being in "a heap of trouble", my conscience is clear. But I will definitely stay in prayer about it. I think that our "tendencies" are heavily affected by our core beliefs. I will leave it at that.


Respect is earned not given. Having said that, I do respect the office Obama holds. I may not like his policies or him personally, but I respect the postion he holds. Just as I did G. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, GHW Bush, etc...

As far as God placing Obama over us, we will have to agree to disagree.


I believe that we are closer to a Republic than democracy. But they overlap in a lot of ways.



Oh well, let's see... Right off the bat, he repealed a ban on federal money for abortions outside of the US and further funding of the murder of innocent children. That is just one. But I will say this... If you disagree with that position, you and I have nothing else to discuss. You would be in support of the murder of children and I don't. Everything else would be moot.

And as far as God placing Obama over us, I just disagree and i have said why.

Look, I do not trust that man. He is not a Godly man. In my opinion. You have your opinion and I have mine. You probably voted for the man. I didn't and never would. And I have already explained why in previous post.

That is exactly my point.

And, I will follow God.

Old Dad, my objections to Obama are political...I disagree with his politics.  The point I was trying to make is we cannot use those political differences to justify Acts 4, but if Obama does go against God then we must follow God.

Does that make sense?

In Christ,
KP