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Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2017, 04:45:00 PM »
Here is Rand's plan. I like it.

It will never happen.

http://ih8hillary.com/2017/01/03/rand-pauls-plan-repeal-replace-obamacare/

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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2017, 04:50:02 PM »
Here is Rand's plan. I like it.

It will never happen.

http://ih8hillary.com/2017/01/03/rand-pauls-plan-repeal-replace-obamacare/


You like it.

Trump likes it.

Careful now.... There just might be a meeting of the minds on something  rofl

And there is a lot of similarity to what Trump was campaigning on.

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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2017, 06:06:33 PM »
Here is Rand's plan. I like it.

It will never happen.

http://ih8hillary.com/2017/01/03/rand-pauls-plan-repeal-replace-obamacare/


You like it.

Trump likes it.

Careful now.... There just might be a meeting of the minds on something  rofl

And there is a lot of similarity to what Trump was campaigning on.


"We don't want anyone who currently has insurance to not have insurance."- Kellyanne Conway on the Morning Joe show Jan.3, 2017

Sorry, but Rand's plan is nowhere close to Trump's. Millions would lose coverage. That's why it ain't gonna happen.

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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2017, 06:51:47 AM »
Here is Rand's plan. I like it.

It will never happen.

http://ih8hillary.com/2017/01/03/rand-pauls-plan-repeal-replace-obamacare/


You like it.

Trump likes it.

Careful now.... There just might be a meeting of the minds on something  rofl

And there is a lot of similarity to what Trump was campaigning on.


"We don't want anyone who currently has insurance to not have insurance."- Kellyanne Conway on the Morning Joe show Jan.3, 2017

Sorry, but Rand's plan is nowhere close to Trump's. Millions would lose coverage. That's why it ain't gonna happen.


Not wanting anyone to lose insurance is not the same as saying if you have insurance we will guarantee you will never lose it.

I have car insurance.

If I have an accident or two I will still be covered.

If I have multiple accidents I will lose it.

The state of PA requires I have insurance in order to obtain my owners card every year.

But the state of PA will not force my insurance to keep me on if I become a liability.

So I would possibly need to be uninsured and lose my owners card.

What any one or agency or group wants does not a guarantee make and KellyAnn did not say it was a guarantee.

She never has.

If you are on Obamacare with a $5,000.00 deductible... (Yes, I know this to be a fact cause I know someone with this situation) and Obamacare is no more.... Then they will be able to Buy...with their own money... just like Ocare...into a different plan. They are not going to be out in the cold.


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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2017, 07:16:21 AM »
Here is Rand's plan. I like it.

It will never happen.

http://ih8hillary.com/2017/01/03/rand-pauls-plan-repeal-replace-obamacare/


You like it.

Trump likes it.

Careful now.... There just might be a meeting of the minds on something  rofl

And there is a lot of similarity to what Trump was campaigning on.


"We don't want anyone who currently has insurance to not have insurance."- Kellyanne Conway on the Morning Joe show Jan.3, 2017

Sorry, but Rand's plan is nowhere close to Trump's. Millions would lose coverage. That's why it ain't gonna happen.


Not wanting anyone to lose insurance is not the same as saying if you have insurance we will guarantee you will never lose it.

I have car insurance.

If I have an accident or two I will still be covered.

If I have multiple accidents I will lose it.

The state of PA requires I have insurance in order to obtain my owners card every year.

But the state of PA will not force my insurance to keep me on if I become a liability.

So I would possibly need to be uninsured and lose my owners card.

What any one or agency or group wants does not a guarantee make and KellyAnn did not say it was a guarantee.

She never has.

If you are on Obamacare with a $5,000.00 deductible... (Yes, I know this to be a fact cause I know someone with this situation) and Obamacare is no more.... Then they will be able to Buy...with their own money... just like Ocare...into a different plan. They are not going to be out in the cold.


Nice spin. Maybe later we can debate what the meaning of "is" is? No, neither Kellyanne or Trump has said they want to "guarantee" everyone has health insurance, but it's inferred that everyone be covered, and that the government fill the gap for those that can't afford coverage.  Parsing words does not change the overall intent.

"able to buy.........with their own money...?" 

What money? By far the majority of folks that have insurance under Obamacare did not have insurance before because they have no money. Same with the notion of health savings accounts being the answer. A savings account requires you have something to save. For those that can't afford health insurance, unless government provides a means for them to get that insurance, they are way out in the cold.

I like Rand Paul's plan. It puts a stake through the heart of Obamacare and gets government out of the healthcare business (at least for the most part). Now, it would mean millions losing coverage and would restore the limits of pre-existing conditions. It would also greatly lower the cost of insurance premiums. Why it will never happen is because it's political suicide. All the folks losing coverage would vote against in the next election. It's what's needed, but no one in Washington has the courage to actually make it happen. Talk is cheap, actions have consequences.

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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2017, 07:30:33 AM »
Not true many that had insurance had to change because their plan did not meet the ACA standards and are now paying much more for poor insurance. There are almost as many uninsured today as there was before the ACA.  Have a number of friends that that lost their insurance because of ACA and make to much to get free or supplemented insurance and now have an approved plan that if they do not use the right medical facilities have a $12000 deductible.  Before ACA that was called a catastrophic plan and was dirt cheap.  One lady with no major health problems that I know cost has gone from $650 t0 $870 to $1140 per month.  a deduct of $5000 is the same as having no health insurance to the avg. person.     

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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2017, 07:35:34 AM »
Not true many that had insurance had to change because their plan did not meet the ACA standards and are now paying much more for poor insurance. There are almost as many uninsured today as there was before the ACA.  Have a number of friends that that lost their insurance because of ACA and make to much to get free or supplemented insurance and now have an approved plan that if they do not use the right medical facilities have a $12000 deductible.  Before ACA that was called a catastrophic plan and was dirt cheap.  One lady with no major health problems that I know cost has gone from $650 t0 $870 to $1140 per month.  a deduct of $5000 is the same as having no health insurance to the avg. person.   

Perfect example of why Obamacare needs to be repealed. Not repealed and replaced, just repealed. And that's the nuts and bolts of Rand Paul's approach. Won't happen, because Trump wants everyone to have coverage, but should happen because it's either that or more of the socialist/progressive boot on all our necks.


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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2017, 08:18:07 AM »
Not true many that had insurance had to change because their plan did not meet the ACA standards and are now paying much more for poor insurance. There are almost as many uninsured today as there was before the ACA.  Have a number of friends that that lost their insurance because of ACA and make to much to get free or supplemented insurance and now have an approved plan that if they do not use the right medical facilities have a $12000 deductible.  Before ACA that was called a catastrophic plan and was dirt cheap.  One lady with no major health problems that I know cost has gone from $650 t0 $870 to $1140 per month.  a deduct of $5000 is the same as having no health insurance to the avg. person.   

Perfect example of why Obamacare needs to be repealed. Not repealed and replaced, just repealed. And that's the nuts and bolts of Rand Paul's approach. Won't happen, because Trump wants everyone to have coverage, but should happen because it's either that or more of the socialist/progressive boot on all our necks.

Read it and weep...

Rand Paul does have  a plan..

"What should we replace Obamacare with? Perhaps we should try freedom:

1.  The freedom to choose inexpensive insurance free of government dictates.

2.  The freedom to save unlimited amounts in a health savings account.

3. The freedom to buy insurance across state lines.

4.  The freedom for all individuals to join together in voluntary associations to gain the leverage of being part of a large insurance pool."

These are from the link you provided above.

The first 3 are exactly what Trump talked about in all his town halls while campaigning. And the many discussions he has with Hannity while campaigning.

Will the professional politicians let him have this? Only time will tell.

But it is what T wants.


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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2017, 09:17:09 AM »
Well, since I'd already provided a link to Rand's plan, I had read it- without weeping. And yes, Trump expresses what Paul puts forth, but the problem arrives in that he doesn't stop there. And even those first three bullet points are little more that hype. "Inexpensive insurance"? Wasn't inexpensive before Obamacare. You want good coverage with a low deductible, it will be a pretty penny, with or without government dictates. Already discussed health savings accounts. That assumes (rather boldly) you have money to save. Selling across state lines? Companies already can in certain regions. They don't want to. It's too burdensome and not cost effective. It could well cause premiums to rise  not to fall.

Rather than rehash the socialist/progressive ideals of Trump, there's only one issue that really needs to be discussed as it forces the hand of all else- Pre-existing conditions. As long as there's no restrictions on that, nearly all of Obamacare has to stay in place. His stance on pre-existing tells you everything you need to know about what Trump wants for healthcare. Rand says scrap it, and if you don't agree with Rand on pre-existing, you really don't agree with Rand on anything.

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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2017, 10:09:23 AM »
Well, since I'd already provided a link to Rand's plan, I had read it- without weeping. And yes, Trump expresses what Paul puts forth, but the problem arrives in that he doesn't stop there. And even those first three bullet points are little more that hype. "Inexpensive insurance"? Wasn't inexpensive before Obamacare. You want good coverage with a low deductible, it will be a pretty penny, with or without government dictates. Already discussed health savings accounts. That assumes (rather boldly) you have money to save. Selling across state lines? Companies already can in certain regions. They don't want to. It's too burdensome and not cost effective. It could well cause premiums to rise  not to fall.

Rather than rehash the socialist/progressive ideals of Trump, there's only one issue that really needs to be discussed as it forces the hand of all else- Pre-existing conditions. As long as there's no restrictions on that, nearly all of Obamacare has to stay in place. His stance on pre-existing tells you everything you need to know about what Trump wants for healthcare. Rand says scrap it, and if you don't agree with Rand on pre-existing, you really don't agree with Rand on anything.

Pre-existing conditions ARENOT... REPEAT, ARE NOT, coverered under obama care.

Had a friend who move to another state...Was covered by insurance in FL but when he got to CA (yea... I know and yes he is as strange as all those from there) but aside from that he had to resign for coverage in CA.

He did not get around to it soon enough.

He had joined a local soccer team and got his knee totally screwed up.

Even though he had had it in FL he had to  apply in CA and the accident happened before he got the coverage approval.....
End result....

He got approved but had to wait months for the necessary surgery until he got the ok from Ocare.

Today he can no longer play soccer.... and needs to wear a knee brace very often because of needing to wait.

DO YOU PERSONALLY think that having had coverage in FL, then moving... and waiting for the "new" Ocare to
cover him.... Do you think he should have not been covered?

BTW He is 32 years old.

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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2017, 03:30:44 PM »
His problem was lapsed coverage, not pre-existing conditions.

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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2017, 03:14:04 PM »
I want to believe that Obamacare will be repealed and replaced but I'm having a hard time believing that it will.    One of the reasons I have my doubts is because of a man named Mitch McConnell, the majority leader.   McConnell has tradtionally favored the suppliers of healthcare and pharmaceuticals.   Humana is headquartered in his home state.   He has been receiving regular financial support from pharmaceutical companies.  If the competitive market that Trump talks about comes into play then a lot of these companies stand to lose a lot of money.   McConnell is known to speak one way to the public while his real view is very different.   

If they are serious a good place to start is to let the Canadian pharmaceutical suppliers have more of a green light.  The one thing I heard that Hillary said that I agree with is that she felt like pharmaceutical companies were allowed to keep patents too long before generics could be introduced.   Lipitor has been protected seemingly forever and coming up about July 1st I believe that a generic is finally going to be introduced.   

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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2017, 04:55:46 PM »
If they could be honest (I know, way too much to expect), the right word is "repair". Now, I personally think it should be repealed and forgotten as fast as possible, but since socialism has infected both political parties, it's certain government run healthcare is here to stay. Repeal and replace is a joke at best, and more accurately an outright lie. Supposedly, they plan on repealing the mandates, but keeping the things they like such as no pre-existing and subsidies for those that can't afford the premiums. Well, that's wanting to have it both ways. Without the mandates and tax penalties, the cost is prohibitive. However they spin it, not only do the existing mandates have to stay in place, but they have to be expanded to account for the current revenue shortfall.

If they want to keep this socialist/progressive program, an easy repair would be either single payer or allow those that can afford buying insurance to do so, but then hit all of them with a tax. If you can afford private health insurance or your employer can afford providing you with insurance, then you and the employers can afford being taxed to cover everyone else; plus the no pre-existing clause. Do I like it? Not the least, but that would be the honest approach.

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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2017, 05:34:28 PM »
I want to believe that Obamacare will be repealed and replaced but I'm having a hard time believing that it will.    One of the reasons I have my doubts is because of a man named Mitch McConnell, the majority leader.   McConnell has tradtionally favored the suppliers of healthcare and pharmaceuticals.   Humana is headquartered in his home state.   He has been receiving regular financial support from pharmaceutical companies.  If the competitive market that Trump talks about comes into play then a lot of these companies stand to lose a lot of money.   McConnell is known to speak one way to the public while his real view is very different.   

If they are serious a good place to start is to let the Canadian pharmaceutical suppliers have more of a green light.  The one thing I heard that Hillary said that I agree with is that she felt like pharmaceutical companies were allowed to keep patents too long before generics could be introduced.   Lipitor has been protected seemingly forever and coming up about July 1st I believe that a generic is finally going to be introduced.

+1.

I could not agree with you more.  We go to Canada for a number of meds that are too costly in the US.

One med I am on jumped so high that it was going to cost $555. here in the US for a 3 month supply,
yet in Canada I could have gotten it for $355.00.. Smae med, same packageing and my doc approved.

As luck would have it though he did switch me to one that is only $112.50 for a 3 month supply.

I am happy with that... even as I sit and watch the ambulance chaser attorneys adverising if you or a loved one have taken XXXXX and suffered sever bleeding to call them....

Something must be done and I hope someone gets that ball rolling once DT is firmly in place it might....

But I also know the gutless congress likely wont due to the lobbyists...

Just like McConnell having Humana do their number at him.