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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2017, 05:35:56 PM »
If they could be honest (I know, way too much to expect), the right word is "repair". Now, I personally think it should be repealed and forgotten as fast as possible, but since socialism has infected both political parties, it's certain government run healthcare is here to stay. Repeal and replace is a joke at best, and more accurately an outright lie. Supposedly, they plan on repealing the mandates, but keeping the things they like such as no pre-existing and subsidies for those that can't afford the premiums. Well, that's wanting to have it both ways. Without the mandates and tax penalties, the cost is prohibitive. However they spin it, not only do the existing mandates have to stay in place, but they have to be expanded to account for the current revenue shortfall.

If they want to keep this socialist/progressive program, an easy repair would be either single payer or allow those that can afford buying insurance to do so, but then hit all of them with a tax. If you can afford private health insurance or your employer can afford providing you with insurance, then you and the employers can afford being taxed to cover everyone else; plus the no pre-existing clause. Do I like it? Not the least, but that would be the honest approach.

Your "easy repair" would be even more damaging to healthcare.

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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2017, 05:45:50 PM »
I know a young man there aged 16 who, along with his brother aged 20, suffers from various mental health issues.   They are both on various medications which enable them to live a normal life and go to school/college and work part time. Their father is dead and their mother is out of the picture. At the moment they get the medications free under Obhamacare, but he seems to think that because of what Trump has said, they will no longer have them free. Neither will be able to afford them themselves as both are trying to pay rent/bills etc as well. He is very fearful of what will happen if they have to come off the medication.
They both also have a heart condition which may mean they need medication for that at some point.

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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2017, 05:50:55 PM »
I know a young man there aged 16 who, along with his brother aged 20, suffers from various mental health issues.   They are both on various medications which enable them to live a normal life and go to school/college and work part time. Their father is dead and their mother is out of the picture. At the moment they get the medications free under Obhamacare, but he seems to think that because of what Trump has said, they will no longer have them free. Neither will be able to afford them themselves as both are trying to pay rent/bills etc as well. He is very fearful of what will happen if they have to come off the medication.
They both also have a heart condition which may mean they need medication for that at some point.

They get them free from Medicaid , not Obamacare, I would bet.

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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2017, 06:02:07 PM »
If they could be honest (I know, way too much to expect), the right word is "repair". Now, I personally think it should be repealed and forgotten as fast as possible, but since socialism has infected both political parties, it's certain government run healthcare is here to stay. Repeal and replace is a joke at best, and more accurately an outright lie. Supposedly, they plan on repealing the mandates, but keeping the things they like such as no pre-existing and subsidies for those that can't afford the premiums. Well, that's wanting to have it both ways. Without the mandates and tax penalties, the cost is prohibitive. However they spin it, not only do the existing mandates have to stay in place, but they have to be expanded to account for the current revenue shortfall.

If they want to keep this socialist/progressive program, an easy repair would be either single payer or allow those that can afford buying insurance to do so, but then hit all of them with a tax. If you can afford private health insurance or your employer can afford providing you with insurance, then you and the employers can afford being taxed to cover everyone else; plus the no pre-existing clause. Do I like it? Not the least, but that would be the honest approach.

Your "easy repair" would be even more damaging to healthcare.

How about an explanation to that? You're great at throwing out one liners, somewhat lacking in meaningful details.

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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2017, 06:09:30 PM »
If they could be honest (I know, way too much to expect), the right word is "repair". Now, I personally think it should be repealed and forgotten as fast as possible, but since socialism has infected both political parties, it's certain government run healthcare is here to stay. Repeal and replace is a joke at best, and more accurately an outright lie. Supposedly, they plan on repealing the mandates, but keeping the things they like such as no pre-existing and subsidies for those that can't afford the premiums. Well, that's wanting to have it both ways. Without the mandates and tax penalties, the cost is prohibitive. However they spin it, not only do the existing mandates have to stay in place, but they have to be expanded to account for the current revenue shortfall.

If they want to keep this socialist/progressive program, an easy repair would be either single payer or allow those that can afford buying insurance to do so, but then hit all of them with a tax. If you can afford private health insurance or your employer can afford providing you with insurance, then you and the employers can afford being taxed to cover everyone else; plus the no pre-existing clause. Do I like it? Not the least, but that would be the honest approach.

Your "easy repair" would be even more damaging to healthcare.

How about an explanation to that? You're great at throwing out one liners, somewhat lacking in meaningful details.

More expensive,  worse healthcare, more government control.  Obamacare was designed to fail and pave the way for single payer. 

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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2017, 06:12:18 PM »
I know a young man there aged 16 who, along with his brother aged 20, suffers from various mental health issues.   They are both on various medications which enable them to live a normal life and go to school/college and work part time. Their father is dead and their mother is out of the picture. At the moment they get the medications free under Obhamacare, but he seems to think that because of what Trump has said, they will no longer have them free. Neither will be able to afford them themselves as both are trying to pay rent/bills etc as well. He is very fearful of what will happen if they have to come off the medication.
They both also have a heart condition which may mean they need medication for that at some point.

Yes, I agree with what Crow said.  Most likely Medicaid.... Not to mention that there are many pharmaceutical companies who have a patient aid policy for those who cannot afford the meds...
and they are free.

So, the first thing they need to do is ask their doctor who offers help and follow his/her advice.

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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2017, 06:13:59 PM »
If they could be honest (I know, way too much to expect), the right word is "repair". Now, I personally think it should be repealed and forgotten as fast as possible, but since socialism has infected both political parties, it's certain government run healthcare is here to stay. Repeal and replace is a joke at best, and more accurately an outright lie. Supposedly, they plan on repealing the mandates, but keeping the things they like such as no pre-existing and subsidies for those that can't afford the premiums. Well, that's wanting to have it both ways. Without the mandates and tax penalties, the cost is prohibitive. However they spin it, not only do the existing mandates have to stay in place, but they have to be expanded to account for the current revenue shortfall.

If they want to keep this socialist/progressive program, an easy repair would be either single payer or allow those that can afford buying insurance to do so, but then hit all of them with a tax. If you can afford private health insurance or your employer can afford providing you with insurance, then you and the employers can afford being taxed to cover everyone else; plus the no pre-existing clause. Do I like it? Not the least, but that would be the honest approach.

Your "easy repair" would be even more damaging to healthcare.

How about an explanation to that? You're great at throwing out one liners, somewhat lacking in meaningful details.

More expensive,  worse healthcare, more government control.  Obamacare was designed to fail and pave the way for single payer.

Err, didn't say I thought it was right, and did say single payer is one of the "easy repairs". I'm simply postulating what the Repubs might do to have it both ways. You will note, I'm for complete repeal.

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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2017, 08:12:55 PM »
NEWS FLASH!!!!    The Republicans have revealed their replacement plan!

It's absolute genius and can be implemented on day one! Two very simple steps-

1- Don't get sick

2- If you do get sick, die immediately- at home. 

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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2017, 05:08:08 AM »
NEWS FLASH!!!!    The Republicans have revealed their replacement plan!

It's absolute genius and can be implemented on day one! Two very simple steps-

1- Don't get sick

2- If you do get sick, die immediately- at home.

Awesome.  What liberal site did ya pull this humdinger from?

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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2017, 05:25:15 AM »
NEWS FLASH!!!!    The Republicans have revealed their replacement plan!

It's absolute genius and can be implemented on day one! Two very simple steps-

1- Don't get sick

2- If you do get sick, die immediately- at home.

 
Awesome.  What liberal site did ya pull this humdinger from?

It was a reply to a Yahoo report. Guess I'm a plagiarist.  ::shrug::
Thought it was darkly humorous.

Likely bad of me, but up to a point, I agree. Healthcare is not a God given right. If you can afford it, you can afford it. If you can't, it should be up to voluntary charity- not a government given right. I can't afford it, so sometimes I suffer. Such is life.
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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2017, 06:04:26 AM »
NEWS FLASH!!!!    The Republicans have revealed their replacement plan!

It's absolute genius and can be implemented on day one! Two very simple steps-

1- Don't get sick

2- If you do get sick, die immediately- at home.

 
Awesome.  What liberal site did ya pull this humdinger from?

It was a reply to a Yahoo report. Guess I'm a plagiarist.  ::shrug::
Thought it was darkly humorous.

Likely bad of me, but up to a point, I agree. Healthcare is not a God given right. If you can afford it, you can afford it. If you can't, it should be up to voluntary charity- not a government given right. I can't afford it, so sometimes I suffer. Such is life.


It's kinda difficult to fathom NOT having healthcare. I suppose we take for granted what others are without, my Provincial Health Card ensures that I am treated in the hospital of my choice with no charge to me, also my Doctors appointments, physicals, etc, are all covered. We do not see fees and disbursements or any paperwork for that matter, yes, it's a product of a socialist government but I couldn't imagine being without it nor paying the premiums my American brothers and sisters are paying.


I'm sure something similar was likely Obama's vision when the idea was first presented but far from practical for a country that has so many levels of healthcare and insurers. I feel for all of you.

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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2017, 06:17:47 AM »
NEWS FLASH!!!!    The Republicans have revealed their replacement plan!

It's absolute genius and can be implemented on day one! Two very simple steps-

1- Don't get sick

2- If you do get sick, die immediately- at home.

 
Awesome.  What liberal site did ya pull this humdinger from?

It was a reply to a Yahoo report. Guess I'm a plagiarist.  ::shrug::
Thought it was darkly humorous.

Likely bad of me, but up to a point, I agree. Healthcare is not a God given right. If you can afford it, you can afford it. If you can't, it should be up to voluntary charity- not a government given right. I can't afford it, so sometimes I suffer. Such is life.


It's kinda difficult to fathom NOT having healthcare. I suppose we take for granted what others are without, my Provincial Health Card ensures that I am treated in the hospital of my choice with no charge to me, also my Doctors appointments, physicals, etc, are all covered. We do not see fees and disbursements or any paperwork for that matter, yes, it's a product of a socialist government but I couldn't imagine being without it nor paying the premiums my American brothers and sisters are paying.


I'm sure something similar was likely Obama's vision when the idea was first presented but far from practical for a country that has so many levels of healthcare and insurers. I feel for all of you.

Certainly we all would like to have full and readily available healthcare. The issue in America (at least to me) is the sacrifice of individual freedom and self determination that at least used to define this nation. If healthcare is to be provided though some collective grand bargain, then why not provide food, shelter, clothing, etc? Why even get out of bed if everything is just handed to you? Yes, it may sound harsh, but my bad luck, my errors, are not the responsibilities of others- unless they freely choose to make them so. Would I love to get something done to a bad knee and hip? Of course. Would I like to get the thousands of dollars of dental work I need, or at least know what's been wrong with my right hand for several years? Without a doubt. Do I think someone else should pitch in to pay for it? Not for a second. Life is about winning and losing. It's about good fortune and bad. It's not society's responsibility to level all that out. At least not a society where freedom is supposed to be honored above all else.
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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2017, 06:36:35 AM »
NEWS FLASH!!!!    The Republicans have revealed their replacement plan!

It's absolute genius and can be implemented on day one! Two very simple steps-

1- Don't get sick

2- If you do get sick, die immediately- at home.

 
Awesome.  What liberal site did ya pull this humdinger from?

It was a reply to a Yahoo report. Guess I'm a plagiarist.  ::shrug::
Thought it was darkly humorous.

Likely bad of me, but up to a point, I agree. Healthcare is not a God given right. If you can afford it, you can afford it. If you can't, it should be up to voluntary charity- not a government given right. I can't afford it, so sometimes I suffer. Such is life.


It's kinda difficult to fathom NOT having healthcare. I suppose we take for granted what others are without, my Provincial Health Card ensures that I am treated in the hospital of my choice with no charge to me, also my Doctors appointments, physicals, etc, are all covered. We do not see fees and disbursements or any paperwork for that matter, yes, it's a product of a socialist government but I couldn't imagine being without it nor paying the premiums my American brothers and sisters are paying.


I'm sure something similar was likely Obama's vision when the idea was first presented but far from practical for a country that has so many levels of healthcare and insurers. I feel for all of you.

Your government can afford the cost of such coverage because, in part at least, you have given up the ability to defend yourself as a country.  You depend almost entirely upon the U.S. for your national security.  That was the sacrifice that Obama had planned into the ObamaCare system, simply because, down deep, he does not believe there are any serious national security issues  --  other than global warming of course.

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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2017, 06:42:37 AM »
NEWS FLASH!!!!    The Republicans have revealed their replacement plan!

It's absolute genius and can be implemented on day one! Two very simple steps-

1- Don't get sick

2- If you do get sick, die immediately- at home.

 
Awesome.  What liberal site did ya pull this humdinger from?

It was a reply to a Yahoo report. Guess I'm a plagiarist.  ::shrug::
Thought it was darkly humorous.

Likely bad of me, but up to a point, I agree. Healthcare is not a God given right. If you can afford it, you can afford it. If you can't, it should be up to voluntary charity- not a government given right. I can't afford it, so sometimes I suffer. Such is life.


It's kinda difficult to fathom NOT having healthcare. I suppose we take for granted what others are without, my Provincial Health Card ensures that I am treated in the hospital of my choice with no charge to me, also my Doctors appointments, physicals, etc, are all covered. We do not see fees and disbursements or any paperwork for that matter, yes, it's a product of a socialist government but I couldn't imagine being without it nor paying the premiums my American brothers and sisters are paying.


I'm sure something similar was likely Obama's vision when the idea was first presented but far from practical for a country that has so many levels of healthcare and insurers. I feel for all of you.
Why even get out of bed if everything is just handed to you?


That's certainly far from reality, if a healthcare program could be implemented by reasonable means then why not?


People that do not drive pay for roads, bridges, etc, and people that do have children pay for schools and the education administration, the list could go on.



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Re: Rand Paul talks to Trump aout Obamacare
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2017, 06:48:11 AM »
NEWS FLASH!!!!    The Republicans have revealed their replacement plan!

It's absolute genius and can be implemented on day one! Two very simple steps-

1- Don't get sick

2- If you do get sick, die immediately- at home.

 
Awesome.  What liberal site did ya pull this humdinger from?

It was a reply to a Yahoo report. Guess I'm a plagiarist.  ::shrug::
Thought it was darkly humorous.

Likely bad of me, but up to a point, I agree. Healthcare is not a God given right. If you can afford it, you can afford it. If you can't, it should be up to voluntary charity- not a government given right. I can't afford it, so sometimes I suffer. Such is life.


It's kinda difficult to fathom NOT having healthcare. I suppose we take for granted what others are without, my Provincial Health Card ensures that I am treated in the hospital of my choice with no charge to me, also my Doctors appointments, physicals, etc, are all covered. We do not see fees and disbursements or any paperwork for that matter, yes, it's a product of a socialist government but I couldn't imagine being without it nor paying the premiums my American brothers and sisters are paying.


I'm sure something similar was likely Obama's vision when the idea was first presented but far from practical for a country that has so many levels of healthcare and insurers. I feel for all of you.

Your government can afford the cost of such coverage because, in part at least, you have given up the ability to defend yourself as a country.  You depend almost entirely upon the U.S. for your national security.  That was the sacrifice that Obama had planned into the ObamaCare system, simply because, down deep, he does not believe there are any serious national security issues  --  other than global warming of course.

In defense of our Canadian friend and neighbor there may be an element of truth in what you say, but their system certainly is far from perfect.

Everyone who lives in a bordering state to Canada knows how many people actually come
to their states for medical treatment when they seemingly so often fall between the cracks waiting for often urgent and necessary treatment.

Quite similar to our own government rum VA.

Englad also has the same system as Canada... I believe....

Total government run will only lead to major tax increases for all. But government oversight and guidance could put some much needed checks in place.