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Rick Perry
« on: Wed Jun 15, 2011 - 10:10:49 »
I see where our Governor is now closely looking at entering the Presidential race.  As a 6th generation Texan and former voter for Rick Perry, I thought it would be in the best interest of those not familiar with him to put his record out for review.

Perry is responsible for:
1.  The largest tax increase in state history (his business margins tax);
2.  The largest state deficit in Texas history ($27 billion);
3.  Advocating that all 14 year old girls be mandated to receive the HPV vaccine, even against their parents permission;
4.  Advocating the largest land grab in US history against private property rights through his Trans Texas Corridor plan;
5.  The ruination of the Texas Highway system and advocating turning over Texas highways to a toll system controlled by a Spanish corportion;
6.  Leading Texas education system to having the highest high school drop-out rate of any state in the nation.

Perry is NOT responsible for the Texas economic climate:
1.  Texas has never had a state income tax - Perry is not responsible for this.

Texas has succeeded despite Rick Perry, not because of Rick Perry.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #1 on: Wed Jun 15, 2011 - 14:38:50 »
If he's the GOP nominee, he will be the only one capable of preventing a 2nd Obama term. Real choce occurs in the GOP primary.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #2 on: Wed Jun 15, 2011 - 14:47:35 »
He sounds so bad that the only candidate he would be better than is Barack Obama.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #3 on: Wed Jun 15, 2011 - 14:57:50 »
That's the one were lookin to beat.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #4 on: Wed Jun 15, 2011 - 18:09:25 »
Perry has 0 chance of beating Obama.  I would love to see a good conservative take the job, but Perry would be out of his league, especially when his real record comes out.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #5 on: Mon Jun 20, 2011 - 12:16:53 »
Conservatives need to vote for the GOP candidate whoever it is, and pray that enough independents do also. That is the only way to defeat Obama. Conservatives need to learn the term "coalition" or having a candidate that appeals to a broad array of voters. Unfortunately, there ain't near enough true conservatives to affect much politically.

The GOP candidate MUST get EVERY conservative vote, every pretty much conservative vote, every more or less conservative vote, THEN the lion's share of the fence sitters.

One must realize there are fiscal conservatives that aren't socially conservative, socially conservatives that are liberal on border issues, fiscal progressives that are socially conservative, etc.

The key is to have MANY anti-Obama voters, from whatever political leaning, if he is the worst of the worst, and I believe that. If he pre-maturely stops the drone attacks on the radical Islamists I could check all the boxes against him. Unfortunately there are those that think he is doing a great job and they will comprise the 40 to 45% voting for him in 2012.

The Independents as always will decide the election, unless of course conservatives fall on their idealogical purity swords, then it will for sure be an Obama landslide.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #6 on: Mon Jun 20, 2011 - 20:33:46 »
That really is the point of my starting this thread.  Rick Perry is NO conservative.  He is an "empty suit."  He talks as a conservative, but governs as a liberal.  Highest tax increase in state history, largest deficit in state history and attempting to toll every mile of interstate highways in Texas.  And that is only the beginning....

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #7 on: Mon Jun 20, 2011 - 20:44:34 »
The point is that if he happens to be the GOP nominee, he is the only human on earth that has any chance whatsoever at giving Obama a run for his money. I am not a Perry fan,  and neither was I a McCain fan, but McCain had the only chance of defeating the Democrat nominee. The GOP primary is the only place where we can really express our political will. After that, it's GOP or DEM. Could the Dems come up with a candidate I might support in lieu of a Republican? Sure, but they won't. As long as Obama is the best they can do, pretty much any one else is better in my view.

Republicans MUST abide by Reagan's 11th commandment of voting our conscience in the primaries, but absolutely vote for the nominee in the General Election. If not, we have no hope but a second place ribbon.

I will make the requisite non-race biased disclaimer for the narrow minded. Race has nothing to do with it. But it's a heck of a deflector screen for the other side.

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« Reply #8 on: Mon Jun 27, 2011 - 16:21:51 »
A THIRD PARTY I SAY, YUP, A THIRD PARTY!

IT'S OUR ONLY PRAYER OF EVER GETTING RID OF THE LOT OF 'EM.

 ::pondering:: ::shrug:: ::clappingoverhead::

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #9 on: Mon Jun 27, 2011 - 16:38:57 »
No, replace the 2nd party. A third party will never work, except to accomplish the opposite of what you want. If Michelle Bachman can get the nomination, she is as close to a Tea Partier as is possible. If not a third party will definitely not work in the presidential election.
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« Reply #10 on: Tue Jun 28, 2011 - 08:22:54 »
No, replace the 2nd party. A third party will never work, except to accomplish the opposite of what you want. If Michelle Bachman can get the nomination, she is as close to a Tea Partier as is possible. If not a third party will definitely not work in the presidential election.


..............the term "broken record" comes to mind...........................

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #11 on: Tue Jun 28, 2011 - 10:38:09 »
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The term third party is used in the United States for a political party other than one of the two major parties (Democratic Party and Republican Party). It can also include independents and write-in candidates.

The United States has had a two-party system for over a century. Following Duverger's law, the winner take all system for presidential elections and the single-seat plurality voting system for Congressional elections have over time created the two-party system.

Third party candidates very rarely win any elections. For example, such a candidate only won a U.S. Senate election twice (0.6%) since 1990. Therefore, it is very rare to have a national officeholder without having a party affiliation with a major party. Currently, there are only two U.S. Senators (Joe Lieberman and Bernie Sanders), who are neither Democrat nor Republican, while no U.S. Representative hails from outside the major parties. The only two U.S. Presidents without a major party affiliation were George Washington and Andrew Johnson. Andrew Johnson switched from Unionist to independent while in office. He had been elected with Lincoln under the "Union" banner in 1864, after serving as Democratic Senator and Governor in Tennessee. Currently Governor Lincoln Chafee, an Independent in Rhode Island, is the only one serving. There have been 20th Century governors elected as Independent, and from such parties as Progressive, Reform, Farmer-Labor, Populist, and Prohibition. There were others in the century before. Greens, Libertarians and others have elected state Legislators and local officials. The Socialists had 600 mayors at one time before World War I, including Milwaukee, New Haven, Reading Pa., and Schenectedy.

The odds are a third party will only serve to re-elect Obama.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #12 on: Wed Jun 29, 2011 - 18:14:02 »
Renovate the 2nd party. It's doable.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #13 on: Wed Jun 29, 2011 - 18:49:59 »
Renovate the 2nd party. It's doable. Making a statement theouh a third party vote has some merit as a protest, but Zero merit in preventing an Obama 2nd term.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #14 on: Wed Jun 29, 2011 - 19:33:12 »
Yep.  I really don't like Mitt but I would vote for him over Obama and any third party candidate.  I also will not stay home because I did not get my dream candidate.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #15 on: Wed Jun 29, 2011 - 21:49:24 »
Thank you!  ::tippinghat::

It seems he may still be the lesser of 2 evils though if he succeeds in winning the Republican nomination.

I do believe he's going to run.


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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #16 on: Thu Jun 30, 2011 - 19:11:35 »
Yep.  I really don't like Mitt but I would vote for him over Obama and any third party candidate.  I also will not stay home because I did not get my dream candidate.

Then your vote will count! Thanks.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #17 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 01:48:46 »
Yep.  I really don't like Mitt but I would vote for him over Obama and any third party candidate.  I also will not stay home because I did not get my dream candidate.

Then your vote will count! Thanks.

You guys do know that Romney was the one who wrote the blueprint for Obamacare with his Massachusetts healthcare reform bill right?

Hes about as Conservative as, well Obama...

If that is what you want then that is what you will get.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #18 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 07:45:04 »
It appears Romney may be willing to admit it was a mistake.  Folks with Messiah complexes, like Obama, do not admit to mistakes.  That is, unless he blames it on George Bush.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #19 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 07:55:29 »
Yep.  I really don't like Mitt but I would vote for him over Obama and any third party candidate.  I also will not stay home because I did not get my dream candidate.

Then your vote will count! Thanks.

You guys do know that Romney was the one who wrote the blueprint for Obamacare with his Massachusetts healthcare reform bill right?

Hes about as Conservative as, well Obama...

If that is what you want then that is what you will get.

At this point I will vote for Bachman in the primary. In the general election I will vote for the only person who can defeat Obama, the GOP nominee, whoever it is. I have no desire to throw away my vote on a third party not to mention effectively voting for Obama. If the GOP gets taken over by teapartiers or whatever, that's fine. Replace, renovate or rehab the GOP, I'm all for it. It must be done well before an election cycle, not during.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #20 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 09:39:09 »
Here are Rick Perry's stated views. http://www.ontheissues.org/rick_perry.htm

Compare that with Obama.  He may not be the most conservative or the ideal candidate for an ultra conservative but he is much better than Obama.  He is also better than throwing your vote away on a third party and getting Obama for another 4 years! ::frustrated::

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #21 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 13:13:30 »
Yep.  I really don't like Mitt but I would vote for him over Obama and any third party candidate.  I also will not stay home because I did not get my dream candidate.

Then your vote will count! Thanks.

You guys do know that Romney was the one who wrote the blueprint for Obamacare with his Massachusetts healthcare reform bill right?

Hes about as Conservative as, well Obama...

If that is what you want then that is what you will get.

At this point I will vote for Bachman in the primary. In the general election I will vote for the only person who can defeat Obama, the GOP nominee, whoever it is. I have no desire to throw away my vote on a third party not to mention effectively voting for Obama. If the GOP gets taken over by teapartiers or whatever, that's fine. Replace, renovate or rehab the GOP, I'm all for it. It must be done well before an election cycle, not during.

Why not vote for Ron Paul as the GOP nominee. He is running as a republican. He is winning the straw poll. He does force major issues to the table. And he would PWN Obama in a debate.

Hes probably the most capable person to captivate America and beat Obama.

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« Reply #22 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 15:04:41 »

Renovate the 2nd party. It's doable.


Are you talking revolution? No taxation without representation and all that? I don't drink tea, but can we throw our coffee into their faces? If even one of them relent on the budget, hang them? Complete balanced budget this year or throw them out with the bathwater. Yeah!

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #23 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 15:09:06 »
Ron Paul won't come anywhere near winning the GOP nomination. I like him alright except his foreign policy stand. We MUST be aggressive, relentless and most of all pre-emotive in the war in terror. It will not go away because we retreat to our own borders. If he does win the nomination, I will of course vote for him. I would vote for Pee Wee Herman against Obama.
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« Reply #24 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 15:27:03 »

We MUST be aggressive, relentless and most of all pre-emotive in the war in terror. It will not go away because we retreat to our own borders.


Hear ye, hear ye: we have A-Bombs! 1 Samuel 15:3  Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. We've just got to get rid of those asses.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #25 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 15:39:05 »
War is hell and we didn't want this one. Even Obama understands we can't wait to be attacked. He and any President with half a brain understands they are sworn to protect the citizens of the US.
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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #26 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 15:43:10 »
Larry, you know you ain't gonna vote! But rest assured that my vote will offset your effective vote for Obama
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« Reply #27 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 16:08:15 »

War is he'll, and we didn't want this one. Even Obama understands we can't wait to be attacked. He and any President with half a brain understands they are sworn to protect the citizens of the US.


A good offensive is the best defense I've always been taught. Let's only vote for someone who will strike first against all those dudes that have even looked wrong at our flag, let alone burned it, all their land, and all their relatives. Every country that cheered when 911 occurred, and anyone affiliated with them. Do we have anyone sworn to do that at the forfeiture of their lives? Otherwise we're wasting our time; they're going to win.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #28 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 16:10:55 »
Ron Paul is a Libertarian who runs as a republican to be elected.  He understands the shortcomings of a third party.  That is what will also keep him from being elected president or even getting the republican nomination.  He would not win many conservative dems nor independents and you can not win the presidency with just the votes of either party.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #29 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 16:18:09 »
Ron Paul won't come anywhere near winning the GOP nomination. I like him alright except his foreign policy stand. We MUST be aggressive, relentless and most of all pre-emotive in the war in terror. It will not go away because we retreat to our own borders. If he does win the nomination, I will of course vote for him. I would vote for Pee Wee Herman against Obama.

Are you kidding me? Ron Paul is destroying everybody in the straw polls. Nobody is even close to him.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #30 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 16:21:49 »
Ron Paul is a Libertarian who runs as a republican to be elected.  He understands the shortcomings of a third party.  That is what will also keep him from being elected president or even getting the republican nomination.  He would not win many conservative dems nor independents and you can not win the presidency with just the votes of either party.

Ron Paul has the independents in his pocket.

Why do people keep saying that he is unelectable without even making valid points.

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #31 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 17:35:58 »
He won every straw poll last time around and maybe got 5 percent of the primary vote. Straws don't count.

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« Reply #32 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 17:56:45 »

He won every straw poll last time around and maybe got 5 percent of the primary vote. Straws don't count.


At a loss of more than two to one in electoral votes, I do not see that you voted right last time around since I assume you voted for a republican. Didn't God give you the responsibility to get the right person into office, and you didn't? You might as well have just voted for Mickey Mouse. Wouldn't it be better to have voted as a Trojan Horse Democrat or Dino and foul up their plans instead?

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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #33 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 17:57:12 »

War is he'll, and we didn't want this one. Even Obama understands we can't wait to be attacked. He and any President with half a brain understands they are sworn to protect the citizens of the US.


A good offensive is the best defense I've always been taught. Let's only vote for someone who will strike first against all those dudes that have even looked wrong at our flag, let alone burned it, all their land, and all their relatives. Every country that cheered when 911 occurred, and anyone affiliated with them. Do we have anyone sworn to do that at the forfeiture of their lives? Otherwise we're wasting our time; they're going to win.

We will win. Especially with the best young people in the world that understand that freedom is not free. And yes an offense IS the best defense, though sometimes offensive especially fighting an entity that doesn't wear uniforms. We will and we must win. And it ain't gonna happen by retreating to our borders and sucking our thumbs holding placards that say, "We're sorry."
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Re: Rick Perry
« Reply #34 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 18:02:49 »

He won every straw poll last time around and maybe got 5 percent of the primary vote. Straws don't count.


At a loss of more than two to one in electoral votes, I do not see that you voted right last time around since I assume you voted for a republican. Didn't God give you the responsibility to get the right person into office, and you didn't? You might as well have just voted for Mickey Mouse. Wouldn't it be better to have voted as a Trojan Horse Democrat or Dino and foul up their plans instead?

Electoral Votes

Obama    365    

McCain   173


It would have been better for you to have voted period. Obama's electoral votes were tallied because of either direct popular votes for him or effective votes for him such as non-votes, or third party votes. Every person in America agrees that the Electoral College system needs to be done away with, especially Al Gore!
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