Author Topic: Rick Perry (Read 11143 times)

Johnb · « **Reply #35 on:** Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 19:53:41 »

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Ron Paul has the independents in his pocket

In what warped alternate universe? Where is a credible poll showing independents favor Ron Paul?

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wave runner · « **Reply #36 on:** Mon Jul 04, 2011 - 16:07:11 »

Quote from: Johnb on Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 09:39:09

Here are Rick Perry's stated views. http://www.ontheissues.org/rick_perry.htm

Compare that with Obama. He may not be the most conservative or the ideal candidate for an ultra conservative but he is much better than Obama. He is also better than throwing your vote away on a third party and getting Obama for another 4 years!

Seems like a rather self-promotion type site for Perry. Believe me, it does not cover 1% of the "views" of this idiot. Rick Perry has been the most corrupt governor in Texas history and has thrown education of Texas children under the bus. Not even to mention our $25 billion deficit. Of course, he does not mind mandating that all 14 year old girls receive a vaccine for the HPV virus, even against their parents' consent. Yep, that is some type of conservatism!!

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Jaime · « **Reply #37 on:** Mon Jul 04, 2011 - 16:30:05 »

He's only been elected multiple times because the alternative is Democrats.

wave runner · « **Reply #38 on:** Mon Jul 04, 2011 - 17:56:29 »

Jaime, you are right. In 2008, he won with a whopping 36% of the vote! I saw a recent poll which indicated that 56% of Texans would NOT vote for him for President.

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Jaime · « **Reply #39 on:** Mon Jul 04, 2011 - 17:59:18 »

I would in a New York minute, if he were the GOP nominee against Obama.

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #39 on:** Mon Jul 04, 2011 - 17:59:18 »

p.rehbein · « **Reply #40 on:** Tue Jul 05, 2011 - 05:03:30 »

Quote from: wave runner on Mon Jul 04, 2011 - 16:07:11

Quote from: Johnb on Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 09:39:09
Here are Rick Perry's stated views. http://www.ontheissues.org/rick_perry.htm

Compare that with Obama. He may not be the most conservative or the ideal candidate for an ultra conservative but he is much better than Obama. He is also better than throwing your vote away on a third party and getting Obama for another 4 years!

Seems like a rather self-promotion type site for Perry. Believe me, it does not cover 1% of the "views" of this idiot. Rick Perry has been the most corrupt governor in Texas history and has thrown education of Texas children under the bus. Not even to mention our $25 billion deficit. Of course, he does not mind mandating that all 14 year old girls receive a vaccine for the HPV virus, even against their parents' consent. Yep, that is some type of conservatism!!

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Do you have any information supporting these statements? Such as articles from the Houston Chronical or the papers in Dallas or Austin? Would really like to read them if you do.............

wave runner · « **Reply #41 on:** Tue Jul 05, 2011 - 08:28:02 »

To get you started, here is article about the HPV virus vaccine mandate, try this link: http://www.statesman.com/news/content/region/legislature/stories/02/06/6hpv.html

Regarding the huge deficit: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/texas-legislature/headlines/20101023-Legislature-likely-to-cut-deep-to-571.ece

You can google any of these topics to learn more. By the way, Perry later amended his "executive order" to allow parents an option to opt out, but he did that very reluctantly. There are many, many things about Perry that are rotten. How about his attempt to toll every interstate highway in Texas? How would that go over to "conservative" voters?

Johnb · « **Reply #42 on:** Tue Jul 05, 2011 - 09:30:51 »

A little ballance from the Tribune
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-legislature/82nd-legislative-session/rick-perry-deft-leader-or-teflon-governor/

p.rehbein · « **Reply #43 on:** Tue Jul 05, 2011 - 14:04:01 »

Let us concentrate on the statement below:

Rick Perry has been the most corrupt governor in Texas history

Where is the evidence of this?

Johnb · « **Reply #44 on:** Tue Jul 05, 2011 - 15:12:20 »

Quote from: p.rehbein on Tue Jul 05, 2011 - 14:04:01

Let us concentrate on the statement below:

Rick Perry has been the most corrupt governor in Texas history

Where is the evidence of this?
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Yes let's see if he compares to IL where all their recent governors get 2 terms. One as governor and the second in federal prison. IL. Folks know the meaning of corruption.

wave runner · « **Reply #45 on:** Tue Jul 05, 2011 - 15:25:54 »

Numerous examples are available if you research the matter. From a personal perspective and as a Texas attorney, I know of at least one judicial appointment that was offered for the largest campaign contribution to the governor's reelection campaign.

p.rehbein · « **Reply #46 on:** Tue Jul 05, 2011 - 15:36:27 »

Quote from: wave runner on Tue Jul 05, 2011 - 15:25:54

Numerous examples are available if you research the matter. From a personal perspective and as a Texas attorney, I know of at least one judicial appointment that was offered for the largest campaign contribution to the governor's reelection campaign.

As an attorney you should know that you should not make charges against another unless you are prepared to present the evidence that your charges are based on facts proven in court. I have no idea if Perry is honest or not, doesn't matter 'cause I'm not claiming that he is the most corrupt governor in the State's history. That's a fairly bold statement/charge given those who have preceded him. In this instance I believe you have made statements that would fall under the ruling of "not entered into evidence" and therefor not to be considered. Given the number of appointments Obama has made from those who contributed to his campaign, I believe this would be a real stretch to say it was corrupt or criminal. Politics is a dirty game and those who play the game pretty much follow the same dirty pathway to power.

Johnb · « **Reply #47 on:** Tue Jul 05, 2011 - 17:16:47 »

I did google Rick Perry and corruption. I found some stories that made corruption accusations but nothing that has been determine illegal. They were things like a large campaign contributor getting some special deal or a friend getting a big state contract. Most of the charges were from a democrat named White. Not exactly front page national news. Just politics as usual. Not that I like that.

Mere Nick · « **Reply #48 on:** Tue Jul 05, 2011 - 18:19:22 »

Perry is not Obama. Therefore, Perry is preferable to Obama as president. I don't care which Perry you're talking about, either, be it the governor or the last name of the lady behind the counter at the convenience story.

wave runner · « **Reply #49 on:** Tue Jul 05, 2011 - 20:47:26 »

This forum is not a court of law. I know what I know.

Jaime · « **Reply #50 on:** Tue Jul 05, 2011 - 21:28:22 »

I know if Perry is the GOP candidate, I must vote for him if I hope to defeat Obama. The vote of conscience occurs in the Primaries. After that, it's Obama or the GOP nominee. We all know who a third party vote helps.

wave runner · « **Reply #51 on:** Tue Jul 05, 2011 - 21:42:57 »

Jaime, I and thousands upon thousands of other Texans can not, out of conscience, support Perry, even if he is the Republican nominee.

Jaime · « **Reply #52 on:** Tue Jul 05, 2011 - 21:44:32 »

Quote from: wave runner on Tue Jul 05, 2011 - 21:42:57

Jaime, I and thousands upon thousands of other Texans can not, out of conscience, support Perry, even if he is the Republican nominee.

Pleased to meet you Mr. Effective Obama voter.

wave runner · « **Reply #53 on:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 09:02:54 »

Jaime, I really don't understand the name calling. You have a position out of conscience as do I. I will work as hard as I can to make sure that Rick Perry does not become President of the US because of the things that I know about him. You have the same right to work in the opposite direction. (By the way, this is coming from a former Perry voter until I learned the truth about this man.) If your goal is to have a smaller, less costly government, then I am here to tell you that Perry is not your man.

Johnb · « **Reply #54 on:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 09:18:22 »

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I am not likely to vote for Perry in the primary. However, like Jamie if if the choice is Perry or Obama I would have to vote Perry. I will not waste a vote on a third party candidate and help re elect Obama.

Jaime · « **Reply #55 on:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 12:59:32 »

Quote from: wave runner on Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 09:02:54

Jaime, I really don't understand the name calling. You have a position out of conscience as do I. I will work as hard as I can to make sure that Rick Perry does not become President of the US because of the things that I know about him. You have the same right to work in the opposite direction. (By the way, this is coming from a former Perry voter until I learned the truth about this man.) If your goal is to have a smaller, less costly government, then I am here to tell you that Perry is not your man.

I will be working hard for Bachman as it sits now. I don't mean to name call, but I am strongly convinced that the GOP nominee is the only alternative to Obama. Any other vote or non vote helps Obama. I understand you don't believe that. My goal is to convince you and others before it's too late. A conservative third party vote or a conservative staying home is a vote that will not be cast against Obama. The Anti-Obama people must curry all of the conservative vote and the lion's share of the independent votes. If conservatives don't stick together, we are toast way before November 2012. We always have and always will, and always should cast votes against who we believe to be the worst of the worst. If you believe Obama and Perry are equally bad, I disagree strongly. Is Perry at all what we need, NO. But Obama is way beyond Perry in unacceptability. Pretty much in the same vein as McCain was basically unacceptable, but the alternative was more unacceptable. No other person but the GOP nominee can counter Obama. Maybe in a few years, the GOP can be renovated to be more acceptable, but it is the only game in town UNTIL it is renovated or replaced. We don't have the luxury of trying to replace the GOP at this late date. I wish the grassroots had taken hold much sooner and taken over the party. A third party vote might make some feel they have soothed their conscience, but in reality it only furthers Obama's chances.

Let's work to nominate the most acceptable candidate that has a chance to win. Fistacuffs during the Primaries, but when the dust settles and the primaries are over, we only have one choice.

Mere Nick · « **Reply #56 on:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 13:19:13 »

Well, if there isn't an opponent to Obama in the primaries then I will vote in the primaries for my favorite Republican candidate. I've voted for Al Sharpton and Bill Bradley in prior primaries, so maybe this time I will opt for the Republican primary. In the Nov 2012, I will vote for the Republican even if it is a masked man from parts unknown.

wave runner · « **Reply #57 on:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 13:59:09 »

Kind of reminds me of 1976 when in the primary we were allowed to cast three votes in Texas. I cast two for George Wallace and one for Shirley Chisolm.

Jaime · « **Reply #58 on:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 14:15:02 »

The Primaries are in my opinion where the hard work needs to be done. When all is said and done, cast an anti Obama vote in the general election, which only resides with the GOP.

wave runner · « **Reply #59 on:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 16:06:02 »

Jaime, if Perry is the Republican nominee, it would be like asking me to choose between Hitler and Mussolini. I will vote for neither. (I highly doubt that Perry will be the Republican choice, so I don't see having to skip the next Presidential election.)

Jaime · « **Reply #60 on:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 17:02:28 »

I hope Perry is not the nominee, but any vote other than whoever is the GOP nominee IS effectively an Obama vote. The way it is, until we change the way it is, well before the next election cycle. A well intentioned third party vote or staying at home accomplishes no good intention. Elections have always been largely about preventing someone else's election. It isn't and never has been a pure process, though the best this world can offer.

Let get about the business of defeating Obama as job 1, THEN after that, get serious about renovating the GOP, or replace it. That can only be accomplished well before and election cycle. We're too late for 2012, for anything but coming together to defeat Obama. There are great candidates this year (Perry not one), Let's get a Michelle Bachman or Herman Cain type nominated, or our only choice is a less than ideal one. I welcome you to show me where I am wrong.

larry2 · « **Reply #61 on:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 20:05:18 »

Quote from: wave runner on Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 16:06:02

Jaime, if Perry is the Republican nominee, it would be like asking me to choose between Hitler and Mussolini. I will vote for neither.

Isn't that the option we have selecting between a Democrat and a Republican?

p.rehbein · « **Reply #62 on:** Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 06:01:27 »

Aw geezzzeee, here we go again, sigh........

Perry wins the nomination (even though he isn't running), I don't vote for him 'cause I don't like him and don't believe he will be a good President.

AW SHOOT! I just voted for Obama!

No, wait. I didn't vote for Obama because I don't like him and dont' believe he has been a good President.

AW SHOOT! I just voted for Perry!

No, no, wait, um, hmmmmm, now I didn't vote for Perry, so I voted for Obama, but I didn't vote for Obama, so I voted for Perry, but I didn't vote for either of them, so I voted for BOTH OF THEM!

I'M A DOUBLE VOTER !

(and I didn't even go to the polls...........)

Jaime · « **Reply #63 on:** Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 07:19:02 »

A conservative non vote or a conservative third party vote in 2012 IS clearly a vote for Obama. If you don't believe it, wait and see if the Democrat strategy of fracturing the Republicans works or not. They don't need to get more votes, they just need to divide the ones against them. Rocket science I realize, but believe me, THEY understand it.

Mere Nick · « **Reply #64 on:** Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 07:50:57 »

Spot on, Jaime. Obama being president is detrimental to the nation. Come election time there will be two kinds of people. One kind will be those who vote for the candidate with the best chance to beat him, i.e., the Republican nominee. The other kind will be everyone else who will, whether they admit it or not, understand it or not, be actively helping to keep Obama in the White House.

Jaime · « **Reply #65 on:** Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 08:28:55 »

Yeah, on this type thing the Dema show extraordinary understanding. If you can't garner more votes, convince your opponents to divide themselves. Odd thing is, conservatives appear to be doing it voluntarily, with gusto!

p.rehbein · « **Reply #66 on:** Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 10:04:08 »

Neither of your arguments are logical, and thus I must discount them as illogical ramblings. If I don't vote for Perry (or whoever) I am not voting for Obam and it doesn't matter how you spin it. There is no acceptable logc in that argument and trying to guilt me into voting for someone I believe is not qualified to be President just because he isn't the other guy is silly.

A non-vote is as much a vote as is a vote for either of the candidates. A vote for a third party vote is as much a vote as a vote for either the repub or the dem. Spin it however you wish, these are valid votes and state the opinion of those who cast them. A non-vote counts as much as a vote. Every general election cycle the number of non-votes is reported just like the votes that were cast.

This election cycle there will be two types of people:

1) Those who try to guilt people into voting for their candidate
2) Those who have the integrity and courage to vote their beliefs (even if this ends up being a non-vote)

Jaime · « **Reply #67 on:** Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 10:40:56 »

Splitting conservative vote is good for liberals and splitting the liberal vote is good for conservatives. No spin just a fact.

It saddens me that a lot of conservatives refuse to see this elementary concept. I think they they really do, but refuse to admit it.

I sure hope that's the case. If that isn't the case............ oops, I just threw up a little in my mouth!

wave runner · « **Reply #68 on:** Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 11:22:15 »

I really don't buy into the theory that a non-vote for the Republican is a vote for Obama. We are all called to vote our conscience. My conscience will not allow me to vote for Perry and possibly one or two other Republicans. I do not want another Obama term, but I do not contribute to that by voting my conscience. Each party must live with the consequences of nominating the person who will carry their banner in Nov. 2012, so select well when it comes to the Republican or Democratic nominee for office.

wave runner · « **Reply #69 on:** Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 11:35:45 »

Here is an interesting interview with a conservative leader about Rick Perry. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43648488#43648488

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