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Re: Santorum Slams Small Government! His Own Words! Watch
« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2012, 05:40:18 PM »
I haven't begun to be rude. If you're miffed that you overlooked what I said in your Paulinista zeal, tough.
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« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2012, 05:41:11 PM »
Got to get the GOP nomination to have a run against Obama and that is not going to happen.  I could drag out every dumb thing Paul has said and the letters that have gone out in his name but I don't choose to  play that game and drag down every person that has a chance of beating Obama.  Paul won't get the GOP and can not win as a third party.  


Ah, so it's a matter of picking who you "think" could win and not a matter of what their principles are? So why not just back Obama since he's a proven winner...if that's the only thing that matters. Because I remember when Newt was "unelectable" according to the experts and I think he still is.

And actually, according to Rueters, Paul just moved into second in the GOP nomination with a falling Newt (Source). So I guess the "won't-be-the-nominee" argument holds true more to Newt and Santorum than Paul. And along with that continued steady rise in the polls, it looks like Paul will get his first win this weekend.
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Re: Santorum Slams Small Government! His Own Words! Watch
« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2012, 05:45:08 PM »
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Olddad is just expressing the frustration of dealing with the unrealistic almost worship support of RP followers.  The constant assertion that he is the only one who can save the country is frustrating and in the end damaging to the conservative movement.  There are no perfect candidates just like there are no perfect men.  I am sure that if my guy had run Paul supporters would have equated him with the mark of the beast.  If these folks would make the commitment that Paul will not to support the GOP nominee it might make for a better discussion.  I have said moire than once if by some great change of fortunes RP was the nominee I would vote for him.  I am not crazy about any of those left but they all are better than Obama.
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« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2012, 05:51:05 PM »
Got to get the GOP nomination to have a run against Obama and that is not going to happen.  I could drag out every dumb thing Paul has said and the letters that have gone out in his name but I don't choose to  play that game and drag down every person that has a chance of beating Obama.  Paul won't get the GOP and can not win as a third party. 


Ah, so it's a matter of picking who you "think" could win and not a matter of what their principles are? So why not just back Obama since he's a proven winner...if that's the only thing that matters. Because I remember when Newt was "unelectable" according to the experts and I think he still is.

And actually, according to Rueters, Paul just moved into second in the GOP nomination with a falling Newt (Source). So I guess the "won't-be-the-nominee" argument holds true more to Newt and Santorum than Paul. And along with that continued steady rise in the polls, it looks like Paul will get his first win this weekend.



No I just posted that I would support RP if he were the nominee.  Something neither Paul or his supporters are willing to do.  I support the person in the race who's vision is closest to mine and that is not RP.  But in the end I will support the nominee.  As i have stated before he has some ideas I agree with but some very big ones I do not.  It is not just about supporting who I think can win.  I am just realistic and know Paul can not.
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« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2012, 05:58:41 PM »
I hear you saying they are better than Obama and I used to think they were too, but please show me where their record is better than Obama. It's not. The only candidate who has a better record than Obama is Paul. He's never voted for an unbalanced budget. He's never voted for union special treatment, for a law restricting gun ownership, for giving citizenship to illegal aliens, never supported cap and trade, etc.

I was out of town last weekend and it was raining. My dad and I were driving and he said, "Look over there." And in the pouring rain was a man in the median holding a Ron Paul sign. No umbrella or rain coat. My mother, who isn't in to politics, heard the story and said, "They must really believe in him to stand in the rain like that." And then I asked, "Can you see anyone standing in the rain holding a sign up for any of the other candidates?"

You have both attacked me and been rude regardless of what you say. I have only presented facts and when I've given my opinion I haven't been rude. But why not ask yourself what it is about Ron Paul that brings such loyalty and passion from his supporters. Is it that he's a great speaker. Not really. Is it that he's a slick politician who tells people what they want to hear. Clearly not or else he would do as the others and soften or backtrack on one of his positions or votes he's made in the past. It's his consistent integrity and the fact that he hasn't been corrupted by politics. He doesn't take government junkets or money from lobbyists. He stands his ground.

And he is in stark contrast to the other GOP candidates who seem to only want to make little cuts around the edges rather than desperately needed cuts. Another amazing thing about him is that he predicted the burst of the housing bubble in front of Congress and no one listened. They laughed. But he was right. Oh sure, it was crazy then but now, not so much.

So maybe it would be a positive thing to consider why people who start studying Ron Paul and reading what he's done, what he wants to do and who he is become so committed to electing him. Can you see anyone standing in the cold, pouring rain for one of the other candidates? Does anyone think they're candidacy is worth that?
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Re: Santorum Slams Small Government! His Own Words! Watch
« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2012, 07:10:47 PM »
Sorry you think I have been rude just presented the facts about blind loalty to another 30 year politician.  I will let the votes do the rest of the talking.  Like I said I can show his own words and actions to smear RP as his supporters have done to others but I don't play that game.  I will bow out and leave you to your illusion.
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« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2012, 07:25:47 PM »
Please, show me where Ron Paul has flip flopped, supported Obamacare, an increase in taxes, labor unions, an unbalanced budget, raising the debt ceiling, cap and trade, or abortion. All of these things have been supported by the other GOP candidates and they've all flip flopped. Please, show me Ron Paul doing this or supporting one of these items.
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« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2012, 08:40:33 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2012, 01:46:37 PM »
Sorry you think I have been rude just presented the facts about blind loalty to another 30 year politician.  I will let the votes do the rest of the talking.  Like I said I can show his own words and actions to smear RP as his supporters have done to others but I don't play that game.  I will bow out and leave you to your illusion.

And those votes that talk will be four more years of Obama.

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« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2012, 12:00:10 AM »
I hear you saying they are better than Obama and I used to think they were too, but please show me where their record is better than Obama. It's not. The only candidate who has a better record than Obama is Paul. He's never voted for an unbalanced budget. He's never voted for union special treatment, for a law restricting gun ownership, for giving citizenship to illegal aliens, never supported cap and trade, etc.

I was out of town last weekend and it was raining. My dad and I were driving and he said, "Look over there." And in the pouring rain was a man in the median holding a Ron Paul sign. No umbrella or rain coat. My mother, who isn't in to politics, heard the story and said, "They must really believe in him to stand in the rain like that." And then I asked, "Can you see anyone standing in the rain holding a sign up for any of the other candidates?"

You have both attacked me and been rude regardless of what you say. I have only presented facts and when I've given my opinion I haven't been rude. But why not ask yourself what it is about Ron Paul that brings such loyalty and passion from his supporters. Is it that he's a great speaker. Not really. Is it that he's a slick politician who tells people what they want to hear. Clearly not or else he would do as the others and soften or backtrack on one of his positions or votes he's made in the past. It's his consistent integrity and the fact that he hasn't been corrupted by politics. He doesn't take government junkets or money from lobbyists. He stands his ground.

And he is in stark contrast to the other GOP candidates who seem to only want to make little cuts around the edges rather than desperately needed cuts. Another amazing thing about him is that he predicted the burst of the housing bubble in front of Congress and no one listened. They laughed. But he was right. Oh sure, it was crazy then but now, not so much.

So maybe it would be a positive thing to consider why people who start studying Ron Paul and reading what he's done, what he wants to do and who he is become so committed to electing him. Can you see anyone standing in the cold, pouring rain for one of the other candidates? Does anyone think they're candidacy is worth that?

Very well said, tennman.

Ron Paul doesn't talk about some magical change. It's not "feel-good" in the sense of Obama's campaign in the least.

Quite the contrary, it's a call to an arrogant culture to sober up for once and get aggressive about cleaning up its messes, before it falls REALLY hard. It should have been heard years ago.

After so many of his predictions turned out to be completely accurate over the years, from the economy to foreign affairs, people still aren't going to pay attention and listen?

Ron Paul can't single-handedly save the country and I don't think he claims that he can do anything of the sort. However, unlike anybody else, I think he could make room for others having a chance at making things right.
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« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2012, 08:20:22 AM »
I have heard Santorum is a social conservative.

Does he have a plan to outlaw abortion?  Same gender marriage? Fornication and adultery?

If so he definately has my vote.

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I have heard Santorum is a social conservative.

Does he have a plan to outlaw abortion?  Same gender marriage? Fornication and adultery?

If so he definately has my vote.


He and his wife are a knight and dame of the Roman Catholic order of the Knights of Malta.  I'm sure his agenda will closely resemble that of the globalist institution we know as the Vatican, the Church of Rome.  He has stated that he thinks JFK's stance on separation of Church and state was wrong.  No doubt he will allow for much influence from the Pope, whereas JFK made it perfectly clear that he would not be affected by the same. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Order_of_Malta

http://www.truth-out.org/rick-santorum-challenges-john-f-kennedys-secular-promise/1325786354


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« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2012, 06:35:05 PM »
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The Sovereign Military Order of Malta is headquartered in Rome, Italy, and is widely considered a sovereign subject of international law.

The above is from the Wikipedia article linked in my last post.  What do you think about having a President of the United States that belongs to a foreign political entity which is subject to international law? 

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« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2012, 06:46:42 PM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/15/rick-santorum-pro-labor-votes_n_1207511.html

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/which-republican-presidential-candidate-supported-sotomayor/

- Santorum's ethical violations while Senator for Pennsylvania.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article9242-the-real-dirt-on-slick-rick-santorum.html

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« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2012, 07:47:37 PM »
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/15/rick-santorum-pro-labor-votes_n_1207511.html

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/which-republican-presidential-candidate-supported-sotomayor/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wzdDbvTWEg - Santorum's ethical violations while Senator for Pennsylvania.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article9242-the-real-dirt-on-slick-rick-santorum.html


Interesting articles. It should be noted that the Vatican is very supportive of labor unions, Sotomayor is a fellow Catholic, and the Vatican is also very pro- wealth redistribution.  Looks like Santorum has already been quite supportive of Rome.  Interestingly also, Sotomayor's appointment to the Supreme court added a sixth Catholic member to the court.  that is six out of nine justices on the court now being Catholic.