LOL. And I've seen both of you slam big government Obama and talk about how taxes are too high, too many regulations, etc. But now Santorum wants big government and you're on board? Talk about sheep. Just save yourself the trouble and let Obama get elected again if that's what you want.
I guess Reagan was a libertarian then too what with his lower taxes, less regulations, more freedom...all that "libertarian" stuff. And here I was thinking that was conservative. But go ahead, toe the "new" party line.
I made this thread to help define traditional conservatism.
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/politics/classical-liberal-libertarian-conservative/There is now a lot of confusion over what is a "conservative" now. The main source of confusion stems with the infusion of neocon ideology into the Republican party.
http://conservapedia.com/Neocon"A neoconservative (also spelled "neo-conservative"; colloquially, neocon) in American politics is someone presented as a conservative but who actually favors big government, interventionalism, and a hostility to religion in politics and government. The word means "newly conservative," and thus formerly liberal. Many neocons had been liberals in their youth and admired President Franklin D. Roosevelt. In 2010 the highest priority of the neoconservatives was to increase military action by the United States in the Middle East and Afghanistan, and to expand it to an American confrontation against Iran; in 2011 their goals include supporting a military attack on Libya, continuing the Afghanistan War indefinitely, and even suggesting military action against Syria.
Neoconservatives tend to oppose the appointment of social conservatives to high governmental positions, such as nomination to the U.S. Supreme Court. Neoconservatives support candidates who are liberal on social issues instead.
Neoconservatives favor expensive foreign interventionalism with massive federal spending, often to replace a dictator with a new system of government that may be worse. Sometimes this is expressed as a desire to install a democracy in a culture that may be incompatible with it. The neoconservative position was discredited in the failure of democracy in the Iranian elections of 2009.
The neoconservative movement emerged in the mid 1970s, played a limited role in the Ronald Reagan Administration, and then had a voice in the Defense Department under the George W. Bush Administration after 9/11. Candidates favored by neoconservatives for president in 2012 include Newt Gingrich, Mike Huckabee, Mike Pence and, to a lesser extent because she pulls support away from those candidates, Sarah Palin.
Some prominent spokesmen include Bill Kristol, Paul Wolfowitz, Lewis Libby, Norman Podhoretz, Daniel Pipes, Charles Krauthammer, Richard Perle, Robert Kagan, Christopher Hitchens, Stephen Schwartz, Elliott Abrams, Ben Wattenberg and Carl Gershman.
In contrast to traditional conservatives, neoconservatives favor globalism, downplay religious issues and differences, are unlikely to actively oppose abortion and homosexuality. Neocons disagree with conservatives on issues such as classroom prayer, the separation of powers, cultural unity, and immigration. Neocons favor a strong active state in world affairs. Neocons oppose affirmative action with greater emphasis and priority than other conservatives do.
On foreign policy, neoconservatives believe that democracy can and should be installed by the United States around the world, even in Muslim countries such as Iraq, Iran, and Saudi Arabia.
Neoconservatives were prominent in the George W. Bush administration by supporting a strong foreign policy, and especially favored the Iraq War and its efforts to spread democracy worldwide."
Santorum is a semi-neocon & thus not a conservative. Which is why I made this post.
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/politics/is-santorum-really-a-conservative/ Which discusses his vote for the World Trade Organization which is ultimate big government - world government. So Santorum's progressive authoritarian view is no suprise.
The only suprise is how many actually think they are "conservative" when they are really neocon liberals & do not even realize that neocon roots start with the Trotskyist in the 1930's.