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« on: November 09, 2009, 02:05:18 PM »

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33777070/ns/us_news-tragedy_at_fort_hood

Yea, right.
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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2009, 02:06:58 PM »

I think they are lost and need to be saved, just like me.
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2009, 02:18:32 PM »

I think they are lost and need to be saved, just like me.

Very true.

The problem I have is, there are MANY people, some in a position of authority, who believe that we must find out "why" they hate us so....

I have seen many muslim sympathisers. They say things like, "Well, the average muslim isn't like that".. That may be true, however, they do read the same book. And when pressed, they do not like us. I know, I have asked people I considered friends who are muslims. They were real muslims to.. From Jordan.. We are infidels. We must convert, submit or die... That is what their good book says...
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2009, 02:29:12 PM »

Some of those who "do not like us" have started a fund for the Ft. Hood victims.

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PLAINFIELD, Ind.  —  An American Muslim group says it has established a fund to benefit the families of victims in the Fort Hood shootings.

The Islamic Society of North America announced Monday that it's collaborating with other Muslim organizations and interfaith groups to collect donations to help the families....


It is always dangerous to paint so heavily with such a broad brush.  Surely we learned that lesson during WW2 with the Japanese camps in California?  Maybe not.

Ignorance breeds unwarranted fears. 


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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2009, 02:44:54 PM »

Some of those who "do not like us" have started a fund for the Ft. Hood victims.

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PLAINFIELD, Ind.  —  An American Muslim group says it has established a fund to benefit the families of victims in the Fort Hood shootings.

The Islamic Society of North America announced Monday that it's collaborating with other Muslim organizations and interfaith groups to collect donations to help the families....


It is always dangerous to paint so heavily with such a broad brush.  Surely we learned that lesson during WW2 with the Japanese camps in California?  Maybe not.

Ignorance breeds unwarranted fears. 

Ordinarily I would agree with your statement. But I am finding it harder and harder to do it. It may a broad brush I am using but they are making it very easy to do.

The fact is, we are at war with the muslim extremist. And there are more and more of them living among us. They do so much damage, in my opinion, when they do not denounce this stuff. Now, I recognise that some of the groups here did just that. But there are a lot of them that agree with what happened.

What are we to do as a country? I noticed your point about the internment camps for the Japanese during WW2. We were fighting for our lives, as we are now, and there were spies among us. I am not saying that it was right to do that to American citizens.. But, given the circumstances, they did what they thought best.

But back to my question... What do we do as a country? Just let it go? Continue to be to worried about offending someone? What happens when they do this at a hospital or a school? It is coming.. You see, they see this as a war.. And unless we step up to that challenge, we will have many horrible lessons to learn until we do get it.

Maybe your right Phoebe... Maybe I am being ugly. I am not trying to be. Just honest. Just as others have talked about "extreme" views within Christianity... In the end, their extreme views hurts us all whether they intend for it to or not. Kind of the same thing I think.
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2009, 02:54:05 PM »

Who is "they", Mac?

Yes, it is very much the same things as the "Christian extremists".  They aren't really Christians when they go out and kill abortionists in God's name, IMO.  I see the Muslim extremists the same way.  And, yes, they are still dangerous.  All Muslims are not extremists.  All are not out to kill Americans.

I hear fear and panic in your posts.  How is your BP?

Take it to God.  Let Him calm your fears and anxieties.  Take some deep breaths, and spend some quiet time with Him.  Let Him speak words of comfort to you.  "Be still, and know..."  Truly, let Him bring some peace to your mind and your heart and your soul.  I don't know how your food can settle in such a knot, or sleep come to such a fearful mind.

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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2009, 03:03:49 PM »

Oh please....must I list the differences between Christian extremists and Muslim extremists?

This is tired old and worn out discourse.

Our GOD, nor His book endorse ANY kind of mistreatment, let alone killing, of anyone....period. One CANNOT claim to be Christian AND be a killer BECAUSE of theor faith....it doesnt compute, there is no correlating scripture in or out of context (please save the ammo if you try dragging obcure OT text in...you know as well as I thats not what motivates "Christian terrorists)

The corrupt motive for Christian killers is NOT that the victim is not Christian. As perverse as it is...its in theor twisted mind to save lives, and the Bible does NOT support it.

The Christian extremists so called, do not hold something against entire races, nationalities, nor seek to impose the equivalent of a Christian caliphate.

the Christian extremists ARE one-offers....IOW, if one strikes in OK, we have absolutely ZERO need or desire to find the church where THEY attended for fear its a hornets nest of like minded idiots

There is no critical mass of "extremists Christians" where they have nation states, where they kidnap and kill JUST because the other person is of another faith.

The list goes on, the contrasts are stark, and these politically correct talking points are superficially ear tickling but on ANY level of logical examination.....found lacking.
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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2009, 03:22:32 PM »

Who is "they", Mac?

The muslims in general I guess. They= the extremest in some of my post. They= the "regular muslims in others.

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Yes, it is very much the same things as the "Christian extremists".  They aren't really Christians when they go out and kill abortionists in God's name, IMO.  I see the Muslim extremists the same way.  And, yes, they are still dangerous.  All Muslims are not extremists.  All are not out to kill Americans.

I agree with all of that.

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I hear fear and panic in your posts.  How is your BP?

No, you do not hear fear in my post. What you are reading is anger. Anger at the apathy of our government not to deal with the problem. Anger at the people who will not accept it for what it is.

A statement like that goes to show how little you can really know about a poster. I am a very calm person because of my faith in the Lord. I trust in the Lord for all things. Sometimes the Lord requires us to take action. And ignoring this problem is NOT going to work.

BP is fine thanks.

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Take it to God.  Let Him calm your fears and anxieties.  Take some deep breaths, and spend some quiet time with Him.  Let Him speak words of comfort to you.  "Be still, and know..."  Truly, let Him bring some peace to your mind and your heart and your soul.  I don't know how your food can settle in such a knot, or sleep come to such a fearful mind.

I appreciate that. And I will.

Your post are really funny. Such a deep, deep thought.. But absolutely furthest from the truth.

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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2009, 04:14:51 PM »

Our GOD, nor His book endorse ANY kind of mistreatment, let alone killing, of anyone....period.

"If you hear it said about one of the towns...that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods you have not known),then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you,you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock." Deut 13:12-18

"...and whoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." 2 Ch 15:13

"[T]hou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth; But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee..." Deutoronomy 20:16-17

There are quite a few of these in the Bible actually. This is just the tip of the iceberg. If someone wanted to be a violent Christian (and they have) there is ample material in the Bible to base such an interpretation off of.

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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2009, 04:38:04 PM »

I don't for an instance condone killing abortion doctors.  And I understand the point of considering the victim as undeserving to live because of X - a doctrinal passion leading to justification.  And I get the 'evil is evil' regardless of why etc.  But equating killing abortion doctors - a singled out victim in order to stop more killing (again I am in no way justifying this at all in any form or fashion) with the random killing of whoever is not "me" isn't exactly the same thing.  There may be similarities that might make for some interesting debate, but there are differences as well.  Just because one thing is wrong, doesn't make the two equal.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2009, 04:42:51 PM »

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573166,00.html

Curious what the investigation will turn up.

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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2009, 06:28:36 PM »

 log, we have the old and new covenant, war with God's way were not acts of terror. We will always have wars, where we messed up is ;lowing the Muslims to enter the ranks of the military, I do not care how PC it is, only how foolish. I like many Muslims, I am involved with the spero project helping political refugees,  mostly of the Muslim faith, dealing mostly their children, and physical needs, plus showing the love of Christ. I think some I know, may like us, but most, are indoctrinated to kill the Jews and Christians and Americans. Heck they kill, and stone their own wives. Could you do that to your wife? You can spin it, faster than your avatar, but, unless Muslims, Hindus, atheist, buddist, humanist, and everyone else accept Jesus, as the only way, they are going to hell. Any religion not of God is of Satan, so if your world view is so messed up, I really have pity for you. Please do not try and judge God, that makes him laugh, and not because he is entertained by you either, You will find reference to that in Psalms, I am not speaking my own words, but Gods.
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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2009, 06:58:34 PM »

If someone wanted to be a violent Christian (and they have) there is ample material in the Bible to base such an interpretation off of.

There is no excuse for a Christian to be violent, Jesus rebuked violence more than once.

Anyone who tried to make the New Testament the equivalent of the Quran would ignorant of the message of the Gospel and the entire Bible.
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2009, 08:11:26 AM »

log, we have the old and new covenant
Exactly the God of the New Covenant does not have the same relationship with Mankind as he did in the past. One part of the Bible no longer applies directly today for dictating anyone's conduct, correct? Muslims have the exact same thing in the Qur'an. There were acts that were seen as acceptable under the direction of a Prophet but since Muhammad is seen to be the last prophet after he died those actions were no longer acceptable. I can show you more on this if you're actually interested in understanding.

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war with God's way were not acts of terror.
So there is nothing in the Bible about the enemies of God being terrorized or regular women and children being killed for no reason (as far as they knew) or entire towns being slaughtered? I'm not judging God but don't characterize Christianity as a religion based purely on peace and love when the Bible is filled with dozens of examples of murderous (sometimes genocidal) holy rampages.

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I like many Muslims, I am involved with the spero project helping political refugees
So you're a Muslim? :)
Funny how a sentence taken out of context can be taken the wrong way eh?
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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2009, 08:16:29 AM »

In an excerpt from an ex-terrorist's book Why I Left Jihad, the author Walid Shoebat says the following:

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Today, in response to what has become a mantra since September 11, -- that "true Islam is a religion of peace," I say no. I grew up there. I was there at the mosques, the Friday Madrassa, listening to sermons by Ikria Sabri, tapes by Abdul Hamid Kishk. They taught only the destruction of the Jews and hatred of the West. To kill, to maim, to hate, these were all the same as getting an "A" on your report card.

What the West does not understand about Islamism is that jihad has stages. If Muslims have the upper hand, then jihad is waged by force. If Muslims do not have the upper hand, then jihad is waged through financial and political means. Since Muslims do not have the upper hand in America or Europe, they talk about peace in front of you while supporting Hamas and Hezbollah in the back room. The whole idea of Islam being a peaceful religion emanates from that silent stage of jihad..................O f course, there are Muslims who reject many of the classical sources and truly focus on the peaceful verses of the Quran, seeking to re-interpret the verses because they truly do not want to engage in violence. These "liberal" Muslims seem to "re-write" Islam rather than correctly interpret it. They are peaceful despite Islam not because of it.
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