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The US Constitution
« on: April 06, 2010, 07:45:25 AM »

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The US Constitution
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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2010, 01:03:28 PM »
Thanks for this, Jaime.   ::tippinghat::

I think everyone you make this a "home" page for their browser.  What a great reminder that freedom is precious every time it opens.

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2010, 09:08:23 PM »
 I have a purse copy (LOL), figure I might have to pull the constitution card someday, like it would matter. Thank you for the post, so many just have forgotten the Constitution.

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2010, 02:42:43 PM »
Seems like a lot of updating over the years.........  A little back tracking, then some more updating.......... More flip flopping than a Jehovah Witness church history lesson.....lol

@ what point did it become perfect???

After slavery??

After women got the vote??

After Native Americans got citizenship??

After jim crow finally died in the 60's???

 ::cool::

No one said it was perfect.  But that doesn't give every liberal judge the right to change it just because he doesn't think it is perfect.  If it needs to be changed, there are appropriate provisions made in the constitution itself to change it.  It is not for some yay hoo sitting on the ninth circuit to change it.

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2010, 03:08:34 PM »
Seems like a lot of updating over the years.........  A little back tracking, then some more updating.......... More flip flopping than a Jehovah Witness church history lesson.....lol

@ what point did it become perfect???

After slavery??

After women got the vote??

After Native Americans got citizenship??

After jim crow finally died in the 60's???

 ::cool::

No one said it was perfect.  But that doesn't give every liberal judge the right to change it just because he doesn't think it is perfect.  If it needs to be changed, there are appropriate provisions made in the constitution itself to change it.  It is not for some yay hoo sitting on the ninth circuit to change it.

It seems my post was removed???

IF that is the case this will likely be my last post as I do not want to participate on a Christian board that would delete something like that...  One can come here & question God but not a man made document???  lol

Exactly it is not perfect, nor will it ever be...  It has been & will always be very fallible & subject to interpretation & implementation..........  Que sera sera..

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2010, 03:18:25 PM »
Seems like a lot of updating over the years.........  A little back tracking, then some more updating.......... More flip flopping than a Jehovah Witness church history lesson.....lol

@ what point did it become perfect???

After slavery??

After women got the vote??

After Native Americans got citizenship??

After jim crow finally died in the 60's???

 ::cool::

No one said it was perfect.  But that doesn't give every liberal judge the right to change it just because he doesn't think it is perfect.  If it needs to be changed, there are appropriate provisions made in the constitution itself to change it.  It is not for some yay hoo sitting on the ninth circuit to change it.

It seems my post was removed???

IF that is the case this will likely be my last post as I do not want to participate on a Christian board that would delete something like that...  One can come here & question God but not a man made document???  lol

Exactly it is not perfect, nor will it ever be...  It has been & will always be very fallible & subject to interpretation & implementation..........  Que sera sera..

But it is not to be changed by anyone - only by the provisions established for that.  If it can be changed by every Tom, Dick and Harry who sits on a bench it is of no use whatsoever to anyone for anything.

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2010, 03:40:55 PM »



   I understand that in order to change the constitution the 50 states have to be in agreement.

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2010, 03:47:57 PM »



   I understand that in order to change the constitution the 50 states have to be in agreement.


Article V - Amendment
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.


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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2010, 03:48:17 PM »
Seems like a lot of updating over the years.........  A little back tracking, then some more updating.......... More flip flopping than a Jehovah Witness church history lesson.....lol

@ what point did it become perfect???

After slavery??

After women got the vote??

After Native Americans got citizenship??

After jim crow finally died in the 60's???

 ::cool::

No one said it was perfect.  But that doesn't give every liberal judge the right to change it just because he doesn't think it is perfect.  If it needs to be changed, there are appropriate provisions made in the constitution itself to change it.  It is not for some yay hoo sitting on the ninth circuit to change it.

It seems my post was removed???

IF that is the case this will likely be my last post as I do not want to participate on a Christian board that would delete something like that...  One can come here & question God but not a man made document???  lol

Exactly it is not perfect, nor will it ever be...  It has been & will always be very fallible & subject to interpretation & implementation..........  Que sera sera..

But it is not to be changed by anyone - only by the provisions established for that.  If it can be changed by every Tom, Dick and Harry who sits on a bench it is of no use whatsoever to anyone for anything.

But that is certainly subjective........  I would think various changes have been made & many thought those making these changes unqualified & mistaken.........

I do not have issue w/ the document itself, as flawed as it maybe or the interpretations of it may seem.......

For me the issue is really about Christians focusing on & relying on this man made document........  IMHO they should focus on Christ----->>> First & foremost NOT THE CONSTITUTION....

As anyone can clearly see it is not logical even from a secular prospective..... 

One need only look @ murder.......... If on Tuesday I hit my neighbors wife in the tummy & cause her "fetus" to die I can be charged w/ murder.......... If that did not happen & on the next day Wednesday she decided to abort the baby it would not be a crime....

If anyone, especially Christians are looking to a system or document that can have such blaring inconsistencies, well may the Lord help them.....
..  ::tippinghat::

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2010, 11:51:20 PM »
 There was a woman on the news tonight, saying something about illegals constitutional rights being violated. When did illegals obtain constitutional rights? Did I miss something?

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2010, 07:29:52 AM »
In reference to the second amendment I have often wondered if those who support gun control have ever asked themselves this question.  If ALL guns were banned and illegal, who would be the only ones that had them?

The media likes to talk about all the violence that occurs because of illegally owned guns but what about those that are legal? Where are those statistics?

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2010, 08:49:25 AM »



   I understand that in order to change the constitution the 50 states have to be in agreement.


Article V - Amendment
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.





 Jimmy since, most of us are not constitutional attorneys, please explain, what is your laymans interpretion. What is your point? (LOL)

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2010, 09:21:07 AM »



   I understand that in order to change the constitution the 50 states have to be in agreement.


Article V - Amendment
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.





 Jimmy since, most of us are not constitutional attorneys, please explain, what is your laymans interpretion. What is your point? (LOL)

My point is that in order to change the constitution all 50 states do not have to be in agreement as you stated.


......shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States.......

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2010, 01:30:42 PM »
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html




 I like the part, where is says id Government  becomes destructive, and tries to rule the people it is our duty to remove them from office.

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2010, 12:37:08 AM »
There was a woman on the news tonight, saying something about illegals constitutional rights being violated. When did illegals obtain constitutional rights? Did I miss something?
The Constitution does not give anyone any rights.  It merely serves as a governmental safeguard of the liberties which all men have inherently, which derive from God and good sense.