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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #70 on: Thu Dec 30, 2010 - 16:18:18 »
Yes, all men (as referred to in the Constitution) including the illegal alien who sneaks in to escape their more oppresive government or way of life.  Because unless you're a Native American you're an illegal alien here.  Or at least your distance relatives are.

That is not really true.  We have laws governing immigration.  There are many, many legal aliens here.  You can look up the history of the immigration and naturalization laws.

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« Reply #71 on: Thu Dec 30, 2010 - 19:07:58 »
Yes, all men (as referred to in the Constitution) including the illegal alien who sneaks in to escape their more oppresive government or way of life.  Because unless you're a Native American you're an illegal alien here.  Or at least your distance relatives are.


Why dont they stay home and fight for their country? or come here legally. It matters not why they came when they do it illegally.

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« Reply #72 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 12:47:21 »
I thought it a good move by the new Congress to read the Constitution today. 

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/06/constitution-gavel/

Liked Charlie Rangle's improv of reading the Bill of Rights also.  ::smile::

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Update: Charles Rangel is now reading from the Bill of Rights, but I think he’s taking some liberties: “The right of select members of Congress to keep and bear villas in the Dominican Republic without reporting income from them shall not be infringed.

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #73 on: Tue Jan 18, 2011 - 08:27:06 »
Yes, all men (as referred to in the Constitution) including the illegal alien who sneaks in to escape their more oppresive government or way of life.  Because unless you're a Native American you're an illegal alien here.  Or at least your distance relatives are.

That's not in the constitution.

Liberals like to make things up, which is why we need reminders once in awhile.

The United States is a nation of laws, as it should be.

Why should someone who wants to live here get to ignore the laws?

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #74 on: Tue Jan 25, 2011 - 13:07:30 »
Why should someone who wants to live here get to ignore the laws?
Because I'm better than y'all.  I thought it was clear?

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« Reply #75 on: Tue Apr 26, 2011 - 20:33:55 »
Yes, all men (as referred to in the Constitution) including the illegal alien who sneaks in to escape their more oppresive government or way of life.  Because unless you're a Native American you're an illegal alien here.  Or at least your distance relatives are.

That's not in the constitution.

Liberals like to make things up, which is why we need reminders once in awhile.

The United States is a nation of laws, as it should be.

Why should someone who wants to live here get to ignore the laws?

Because they can vote, and if the current administration has their way....you will not have to be an American citizen or keep the laws to vote.



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« Reply #76 on: Fri Jul 01, 2011 - 13:19:02 »
In reference to the second amendment I have often wondered if those who support gun control have ever asked themselves this question.  If ALL guns were banned and illegal, who would be the only ones that had them?

The media likes to talk about all the violence that occurs because of illegally owned guns but what about those that are legal? Where are those statistics?
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The media almost never reports on the successful use of a legally owned fiearm. Those folks who have carry permits are some of the most law abiding citizens we have. My pistol has neved jumped out of it's holster and shot anyone.

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« Reply #77 on: Thu Sep 15, 2011 - 03:15:17 »
guns don't kill people, people don't kill people with a gun.  shoot, guys, this ain't brain surgery, IT'S THE DARN BULLET that kills people!

 ::doh::


(ok, ok, so someone could take a gun and beat someone over da head with it I supose.......sigh........)

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #78 on: Thu Sep 15, 2011 - 16:49:12 »
Since Christmas I've read about 20 zombie novels.  You better have a gun.  A gun with a silencer would be great.  Crossbows come in handy, too.  Ask Daryl Dixon.

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« Reply #79 on: Wed Sep 21, 2011 - 14:07:50 »
Since Christmas I've read about 20 zombie novels.  You better have a gun.  A gun with a silencer would be great.  Crossbows come in handy, too.  Ask Daryl Dixon.


Ah, but are you really prepared?  There are some great online zomie attack survival quizes, if you haven't already checked them out.

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #80 on: Thu Dec 29, 2011 - 15:01:34 »
The American constitution is a brilliant, yet imperfect document that can ensure freedom for everyone, provided it is followed, edited only in the most extreme cases and with the up-most extreme care, and if the citizens in america keep their government and representatives salted down. American citizens also must insure that those who dishonor their promises, nation, and or constituents are removed as soon as possible. Addition, the American citizens must be aware of the laws being passed and insuring the constitution is never violated. As long as the  America  citizens perform all these duties then she should run smoothly most of the time.



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« Reply #81 on: Sun Feb 19, 2012 - 19:09:29 »
Well hopefully we can all agree that the Constitution was written for one reason. To limit the power and the scope of the federal government. Not tell us what to eat, drink, smoke, how to live our lives or control our behavior in any way.

All laws served but two purposes in the minds of our founding fathers.

1. to keep us safe from who ever would do us harm whether a foreign entity, a gang, a mob, a corporation, our neighbors or a bully

2. To protect our liberties from the aforementioned group

Vices are not crimes.

A vice is harm that one does to ones self or one's own property and bears within the action the inherent penalty which the government has no right or authority to prevent or punish

A crime is harm that one does to someone else or their property and the proper role of government is to execute justice.
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« Reply #82 on: Sun Mar 25, 2012 - 20:07:52 »
Capt.
Something on which we agree. ::tippinghat::

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« Reply #83 on: Thu Mar 29, 2012 - 14:39:39 »
Amen to that. I hope we also agree that Jesus is the Son of God ad believing in Him and He alone is what saves us.
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« Reply #84 on: Tue Apr 24, 2012 - 06:34:36 »
Yep.  We agree on that also. ::tippinghat::

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« Reply #85 on: Sat May 12, 2012 - 04:56:33 »
Even as the UKs unwritten constitution is under attack.
So also is the USA's.

The Uks is not written on paper by man  but written on the very fabric of this nations history.
It cant be undone rewritten or anulled and amended.
It can be ignored .violated and despised and rejected.
But English history has not only proven that ist parts are founded upon good and Godly principles. But it has given us the most liberty in law religion and polotics than any nother nation on earth.
To do so then is to invite trouble and much greif and  on ocasion blood shed.
Of Kings and people.

The UK is headign for great storms.and possibly a lot of blood shed.I hope, not. But its going to cost a great deal to return to what is right and proven to be so many times in this country.

The USA has a written one whos founding principle that "it is self evident that under God all men are created equal" is also under attack by those who say God and the church must be seperate from goverment.
Considerign that on the dollar it is written "In God we trust" That such a proposal is even publicly stated  says much  for the stae of the union.
and in both cases  says a lot for the state of the church.I have heard it said that the USA has the best and ther worst of things.I believe it.
The USA is headign for great storms too.It cannot be other wise.

"For I will shake everything that can be shaken so that which cannot be shaken will remain."

When eathquakes come .men run to that which cannot be shaken.

"If any man heareth my words and doeth them .I will liken unto him as a wise man that DUG DEEP and built theirhouse upon a rock"
When the storm breaks the rain falls and the flood beat against it the house will stand.

Some people say Jesus was a good man. In the vain hope I think that if you reduce him down to a good man,Then his words can be tdismissed without any nserios consequence.
But which is better? To listen to a good man or a wicked and evil man?
In a very small measure and in a very little likeness who was it better to believe? Winston Churchill or Adolph Hitler?
How much more then Jesus Christ the good shepherd of our souls.
But he was more than a good man.
Some of a religios persuasion say he was a prophet"!
and they say at least  that thye honour him as a true prophet of God.
Listen then to then words of a prophet.
"If any man heareth my words and deoth them not,I will liken them unto a foolish man,who built his hand on the sand. When the storm breaks and the rain falls and the flood beat against it "the house will fall and great will be the fall thereof"
Those words applie to us all.Wether we are fromm the north the south the east OR the west.
But to them who say they honour him as a true prophet of God.
Listen and understand what hes saying to you.
If you build your house  not on my words but upon the words of another then your building your house on sand and when the storm breaks and the rain falls and the flood beat against it your house will fall and great will be the fall thereof.
But he was more than a good man .
He was more than a Prophet.
The bible decalres him to be The only begotten Son of God.
That God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself.
For Gos so, loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever  beeliveth on Hm shal not perish but have everlastign life"
THAT Jesus said If any man heareth my words and doeth them I will liken him a sunto a wise man...........that built his house upon a rock..............................and the house will stand"
In a very very very small measure  and in a very very very little likeness.
What was the nature of Winston Churchills words?
and what was the nature of Adolph hitlers words?
Which house stood?
Which house fell?

THe USA and the UK have enjoyed more liberty than most.
They have also been the bastions of that liberty.

But each in thier way have gone to sleep.
What sayeth the scripture?
"While men slept his enemy came and sowed tares"

You now have a president who sems to have lost the ability to judge between a ,man and a woman.
We have a parliament of a similar frame of mind.
if you cant judge righty  on such a simple matter how can you make anyn rightous judgment at all?

I am not saying thjis issue is a panacea fro all the ill s of both countries.
I am saying that the church is supposed to eb the salt of the nation and the earth.
The salt is to stop the meat rotting.
if when you look around the meat is rotting what then has happened to the church?

For the church is in the world and the world is in the church.
The constitution wil not protect any from the storms that are coming.
Yours as well as ours are going to be shaken.

We have to dig deeper .

In Christ

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #86 on: Mon Jan 28, 2013 - 18:04:33 »
God bless America! He is powerfully than anything.  ::preachit::

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« Reply #87 on: Fri Mar 08, 2013 - 02:47:47 »
As  an interested  observer with good will I see that the USA consitution  that was written on parchment is under attack  and you are in danger  of losing your liberties as we in the Uk are in danger of losing  ours.
Now if ours is  under threat which  was written on the indelable  history of this nations history and cannot be undone.Though not yet perfected,yet each part we have   has been tried tested and proven in the fires of the greatest adversity .
How much more is yours?
Now if ours is yet to be perfected .In so far  as what Kings  and the people had to learn. This parlaiment will have to as well.
It may well be  that there is another  fire storm coming to prove this parlaiment as it has proved  our monarchs.

Then it is more than likely  the USA is heading for a storm as well.
That there are moves  to take out God  that is to say God of the bible. and seperate the State and religion .Despite the fact  that the dollar has it on it "In God we trust" and "it is self evident  that under God all men are created equal...." 

Now I would argue  that the USA is in more danger  for yours was written down by men  and on paper and what  is written  by man can be unwritten.
The Uk's is written on the indelabale parchment of this nations history. It cannot be unwritten.
It can be ignored .trampled upon  despised and rejected.  But not without very serious consequences.

I have to say  that if yours is  there would be also the most serious and unforseen consequences.

But I am  more certain let me say. That this parliament  will be forced /compelled/ driven/ led to conformity to it.Either  in peace by elections. By the point of a sword. Or by bloodshed.
But it will come.
For if God began a good work in this nation he will perfect  it.
We will pay a terrible price  if  we sucumb  to that which our whole history has before resisted  refused and overcome.
So also will the USA.
The church is too complacent .

in Christ
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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #88 on: Fri Mar 08, 2013 - 03:51:32 »
As  an interested  observer with good will I see that the USA consitution  that was written on parchment is under attack  and you are in danger  of losing your liberties as we in the Uk are in danger of losing  ours.
Now if ours is  under threat which  was written on the indelable  history of this nations history and cannot be undone.Though not yet perfected,yet each part we have   has been tried tested and proven in the fires of the greatest adversity .
How much more is yours?
Now if ours is yet to be perfected .In so far  as what Kings  and the people had to learn. This parlaiment will have to as well.
It may well be  that there is another  fire storm coming to prove this parlaiment as it has proved  our monarchs.

Then it is more than likely  the USA is heading for a storm as well.
That there are moves  to take out God  that is to say God of the bible. and seperate the State and religion .Despite the fact  that the dollar has it on it "In God we trust" and "it is self evident  that under God all men are created equal...." 

Now I would argue  that the USA is in more danger  for yours was written down by men  and on paper and what  is written  by man can be unwritten.
The Uk's is written on the indelabale parchment of this nations history. It cannot be unwritten.
It can be ignored .trampled upon  despised and rejected.  But not without very serious consequences.

I have to say  that if yours is  there would be also the most serious and unforseen consequences.

But I am  more certain let me say. That this parliament  will be forced /compelled/ driven/ led to conformity to it.Either  in peace by elections. By the point of a sword. Or by bloodshed.
But it will come.
For if God began a good work in this nation he will perfect  it.
We will pay a terrible price  if  we sucumb  to that which our whole history has before resisted  refused and overcome.
So also will the USA.
The church is too complacent .

in Christ
gerald

Greetings Gerald,

The USA Constitution is not my rule of life, the word of God is~period.  Christians are profess stranger in this world, rather in the USA, or any where else.  No true child of God will ever be elected as person in higher authority, maybe note even on a lower scale anymore, that's just how wicked this world in which we now lived is. 

Christians must not allow themselves to be entangled in the things of this present world in which we live.  We seek for a better country, and definitely a better life, even a life free of sin, and where the King of Righteousness will reign world without end.

2 Timothy 2:4

"No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life;  that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a solider."

1 Corinthians 7:29-32

"But this I say, brethren, the time is short: (in comparison to eternity, it is always short, regardless, which generation one lives in) It remaineth, that they both that wives be as though they had none;  And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not;  And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away.  But I would have you without carefulness.........."

That being said, the USA Constitution is not high on my list of care.  I am not trying to be disrespectful to your post, only a friendly reminder, and to share my personal conviction on such things.

RB
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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #89 on: Thu Mar 14, 2013 - 05:30:29 »
As  an interested  observer with good will I see that the USA consitution  that was written on parchment is under attack  and you are in danger  of losing your liberties as we in the Uk are in danger of losing  ours.
Now if ours is  under threat which  was written on the indelable  history of this nations history and cannot be undone.Though not yet perfected,yet each part we have   has been tried tested and proven in the fires of the greatest adversity .
How much more is yours?
Now if ours is yet to be perfected .In so far  as what Kings  and the people had to learn. This parlaiment will have to as well.
It may well be  that there is another  fire storm coming to prove this parlaiment as it has proved  our monarchs.

Then it is more than likely  the USA is heading for a storm as well.
That there are moves  to take out God  that is to say God of the bible. and seperate the State and religion .Despite the fact  that the dollar has it on it "In God we trust" and "it is self evident  that under God all men are created equal...." 

Now I would argue  that the USA is in more danger  for yours was written down by men  and on paper and what  is written  by man can be unwritten.
The Uk's is written on the indelabale parchment of this nations history. It cannot be unwritten.
It can be ignored .trampled upon  despised and rejected.  But not without very serious consequences.

I have to say  that if yours is  there would be also the most serious and unforseen consequences.

But I am  more certain let me say. That this parliament  will be forced /compelled/ driven/ led to conformity to it.Either  in peace by elections. By the point of a sword. Or by bloodshed.
But it will come.
For if God began a good work in this nation he will perfect  it.
We will pay a terrible price  if  we sucumb  to that which our whole history has before resisted  refused and overcome.
So also will the USA.
The church is too complacent .

in Christ
gerald

Greetings Gerald,

The USA Constitution is not my rule of life, the word of God is~period.  Christians are profess stranger in this world, rather in the USA, or any where else.  No true child of God will ever be elected as person in higher authority, maybe note even on a lower scale anymore, that's just how wicked this world in which we now lived is. 

Christians must not allow themselves to be entangled in the things of this present world in which we live.  We seek for a better country, and definitely a better life, even a life free of sin, and where the King of Righteousness will reign world without end.

2 Timothy 2:4

"No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life;  that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a solider."

1 Corinthians 7:29-32

"But this I say, brethren, the time is short: (in comparison to eternity, it is always short, regardless, which generation one lives in) It remaineth, that they both that wives be as though they had none;  And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not;  And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away.  But I would have you without carefulness.........."

That being said, the USA Constitution is not high on my list of care.  I am not trying to be disrespectful to your post, only a friendly reminder, and to share my personal conviction on such things.

RB

While I understand your conviction and I would have to agree with you in this respect. That the bible if you will is a child of Gods consitution and of the kingdom of God.
Never the less  that peace may reign that the gospel may be preached  you need to look to and uphold your constitution.
For its undermining and ruin will mean such lawlessness in the States that  you will eb hard put to openly preach the gospel.

As to the Uk's constitution. I have a mind that thinks that Englands constitution will be perfected  inso far as it has bene proven that KINGS are subject  the People are subject and in its turn this Parlaiment will have to learn that she too is subject  to principles greater than man.
This OP is it not then to do whith the USA Constitution? Then  it is relevant.
For does not the first  line involve "it is selfevident under God that all men are created equal" How is it then that Christians in the States be not concerned  with its destruction.
For it is the only thing that holds the nation of the USA together as nation and country before God.
Yes we know that the kingdoms of this world shall become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ and the goverment shall be upon His shoulders.
But it is not yet . and we know do we not that there will be  nations for and against God and will be judged accordingly.
I would hope the USA is not one  against.Nor then the UK.
The means by which it will become  may well be the revision and fundamental changes to your constitution.
and if for instance the move to remove God out of all public life in the USA then your constitution will have to go as well!

For you cannot have written  in it "it is self evident UNDER God ....."
of course  if the States wishes to undo their civil war and bring back slavery as some so wish and proclaim it so
by the flag they raise.
Then of course not all men are created equal under God.
so change the constitution right?

Winston Churchill said "Democracy is the worse form of goverment that there is,but every other form has proven not to work"

Hes right. For it has a fatal flaw in it and a snare to the unwary.
That if you have a majority (by any means) and can control the legislator then you cna delude yourself that the truth is what you make it.
I would sugest  that your President /Senate and congress  in the main  are so deluded and act  and make thier laws accordingly.
Even as this parliament is now doing.

To sugest then that it is of no concern to christians  is I think a great mistake.
it was" while men SLEPT that hsi enemy came and sowed tares"
Did not one say once that for evil to prosper  the good must do nothing?
and the scriptures say "if the foundations are destroyed what can the rightious do?"
Ive heard it said and im inclined to believe it. That the USA has the best and the worse of everything.
So if the best do nothing  and fold thier arms and go to sleep; do you not think that the worse will not increase?
and the best decrease?
I think so.
For if you want to grow weeds  in yoru garden .Put your sunglasses on .Your headphones  on  .get the deck chair outand fold your arms and go to sleep.
And it is an irefutable fact  that  the weeds will grow and multiply  to their hearts content yo do not have to do a thing.
and if you ever had any thign worth while to start with.Those weeds will choke the life out of  them.
Stay asleep long enough and they wil also choke the life out of you as well!"

is not the church to be the salt of the earth?
To do what?
To stop the meat from rotting.
But look around you.is not the meat rotting?
I do not say look at all the mega churches and the screaming and the shouting the miracles and prophecies etec tect
I say look at your country . The nation in which God has put you .
The declention of the USA even as of the UK  is not because of global economy,But because ther eis no fear of God and in consequence no wisdom .Either in the churches a or public life/.
 The truth is put on the scafold  and lies put on the throne.
men call good evil and evil good.
Now if the meat is rotting  what then of the salt!?
Where is its flavour?

If the church is comfortable  with the way things are then it is more in sympathy with the world than it is with God.
and if  it is said that this is not true.
Then  if the world is gettign worse and the church better .Why is not the church then persecuted? Which it is not.
It would  seem to me then.
That if things continue  persecution must come.
If only to seperate the wheat from the chafe.For it is not done  in the churches generaly speaking to date.
Does not judgement then start with the house of God?

The Lord said  go ye into all the wolrd and preach the gospel. They didnt. But rather stayed in Jerusalem.
So God sent persecution and THEN they were scattered preachign the gospel.

God bless America it is often said  and on the Dollar is it not written "In God we trust"?

But they that honour me I will honour says the lord.
It follows then.That they who do not will not.

It is therefore of great concern I would think what people do or wish to do and are doing to your Constitution.

For I must bare witness .That in the UK where they have taken out God in our education.hospitals and public life.
The resultant collapse  and corruption and  our hospitals murderous regime  abounds and is increasing.
Then it will also happen if not already  in the USA .

In Christ
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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #90 on: Sun Sep 06, 2015 - 06:57:45 »
The U.S. Constitution has come down to a 5-4 vote of 9 political driven men and women in black robes who are led by politics and intuition.
Their "feel so" has become our "do so." State rights are a figment of the subjective imagination of nine.
P.S. Be sure to renew your NRA dues: for there alone, is the "thin blue line"!

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #91 on: Mon Oct 26, 2015 - 07:33:52 »
Seems like a lot of updating over the years.........  A little back tracking, then some more updating.......... More flip flopping than a Jehovah Witness church history lesson.....lol

@ what point did it become perfect???

After slavery??

After women got the vote??

After Native Americans got citizenship??

After jim crow finally died in the 60's???

 ::cool::

No one said it was perfect.  But that doesn't give every liberal judge the right to change it just because he doesn't think it is perfect.  If it needs to be changed, there are appropriate provisions made in the constitution itself to change it.  It is not for some yay hoo sitting on the ninth circuit to change it.

It seems my post was removed???

IF that is the case this will likely be my last post as I do not want to participate on a Christian board that would delete something like that...  One can come here & question God but not a man made document???  lol

Exactly it is not perfect, nor will it ever be...  It has been & will always be very fallible & subject to interpretation & implementation..........  Que sera sera..

Much ado about nothing.   A tempest in a teapot. 

Constitutional discussion now lies somewhere between nuances of the law and an academic history of its application.  The practice of law is determined by legal precedent(1), not a simple two hundred year old outline written on fragile parchment.

The constitutional ratification process was completed for the most part on June 21, 1788.    The document, as a legal framework of Federal law, officially ended by act of congress on October 26, 2001.   After being corrupted and twisted out of recognition, it now appears the United States is a fascist police state manipulated and directed by unelected oligarchs.  The minions of its execution operate above the law and beyond the reach of justice.  The reader has heard it said that 'black lives matter'.  It is also true that white lives and hispanic lives and asian lives matter too.  The fact is that when you are staring at the wrong end of a gun it doesn't matter whether the man aiming it at you is a criminal or a cop.  Innocent or not, you are just as liable to die.   

There are several ways to prove my assertion.  First, it should be noted that prior to that dark day in October of 2001 there was little or no attention paid by the general population with regard to the constitution.   After that time, a great deal of discussion was generated both in public and by lawmakers.  I submit that there is no greater desire for a thing until the day its been irrevocably lost.   All of a sudden it's important.  All of a sudden it can't be found any more.  Hugging copies of the old constitution to one's breast will not stop a police bullet or keep an innocent man or woman beyond the clutches of an ever more insidious bureaucratic police state.

A lot of Christians may choose the simple answer that 'God is in control'.   True enough.  But consider that God is King of Kings and lord of presidents.  God's law is eternal and cannot be revoked by popular vote. 

"Christ does not vindicate a race or a nation.  It is the sovereignty of God which is vindicated." - Reinhold Niebuhr

Consider that a nation gets the government they deserve - always - and that God judges nations.  America is not exempt from divine judgment despite the opinions of many both secular and religious that we are a exceptional nation in the eyes of God.  Do you not know that many nations before us have laid claim to that same attitude and statement?  All of them are dust now.  America today is not the nation it was sixty or seventy years ago.  We have changed and not for the better.  We are wicked in the eyes of God and the family of nations.   

Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. once said that America is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world.  In the twenty-first century we have exceed the level of violence that shocked the great man.  Today the duty of Christians is to make sure their allegiance is to Christ first and not a corrupt government and an unjust flag.  Today the duty of Christians is to Christ first last and always - not the Federal government or the flag that represents it.

We have forgotten this simple duty.   We have forgotten God.   I fear we will pay a terrible price for our sins and wickedness, which even Christians deny.   Healing will never come to a man or a nation unless repentance comes first.  In this nation - God as well as morality is treated as a joke.   Judgment is not far behind such an attitude.   

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

(1) Legal precedent determines the application of law.    Ask your lawyer if you doubt it.

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #92 on: Sat Nov 07, 2015 - 19:59:19 »
In reference to the second amendment I have often wondered if those who support gun control have ever asked themselves this question.  If ALL guns were banned and illegal, who would be the only ones that had them?

The government. Just like in Nazi Germany and every other such totalitarian example.
The same reason our forefathers wanted guns in the hands of our citizenry - so the citizens could kick the despots out and take the government back - by force, if necessary.

The media likes to talk about all the violence that occurs because of illegally owned guns but what about those that are legal? Where are those statistics?

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #93 on: Sun Apr 24, 2016 - 11:06:42 »
The Constitution does not give anyone any rights.  It merely serves as a governmental safeguard of the liberties which all men have inherently, which derive from God and good sense.

There is no such thing as a 'right'.

I think you make a valid point here.  What are commonly thought of as 'rights' are in actual fact legal restrictions placed upon the Federal government by the constitution.  Additionally the constitution lists a number of legal precedents that apply to states and citizens that are supposed to be out of bounds for Federal actions both legal and physical. 

Unfortunately most of those legal restrictions have been usurped or debauched in recent years beginning on October 26, 2001.  The list of exceptions to those restrictions upon the Federal government seem to grow longer every day.  In other words, the constitution as we once knew it is no longer in effect. 

Welcome to twenty-first century America.

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #94 on: Sun Apr 24, 2016 - 13:28:07 »
Do you really know what makes a person a citizen of the United States? It's been defined since 1868 as you can see in the following.


Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

So, according to the 14th Amendment, any person born within the United States are considered by the Constitution as Citizens.(first sentence) The second sentence goes on to declare that ALL people within the United States, whether citizens or not, are subject to 'equal protection of the laws'. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to see that.



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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #95 on: Sun May 08, 2016 - 10:13:32 »
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html


Discussion about the constitution is an academic exercise.   On October 26, 2001 the constitution was officially de-ratified by an act of congress.   Since that time, SCOTUS POTUS and congress have worked together to nullify all the remaining aspects of the constitution that apply to the Federal government. 

The stench in your political nostrils these days is the odor of the rotting corpse of one of the greatest republics in human history.  Sadly it is gone now, not much more than a footnote in history.   I'm glad to say that I lived and knew the days when liberty was more than an act of congress or a presidential edict.  I remember a time when most everyone was aware of what liberty meant - and lived it.    Today it is a ghostly rumor of the past a thing remembered at best - a thing which is rapidly passing into legend and misuse of terminology.

May God have mercy upon us in these last days.

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #96 on: Wed Oct 26, 2016 - 07:24:35 »
Thanks for this, Jaime.   ::tippinghat::

I think everyone you make this a "home" page for their browser.  What a great reminder that freedom is precious every time it opens.

It's an obsolete historic document because most of it no longer applies.   

Ratification of the constitution was completed on June 21, 1788 when New Hampshire voted approval.  The US Congress officially deratified the document on October 26, 2001.   The purpose of the laws were to define the limits of Federal power, but the 2001 vote ended all that.   As of this writing, laws and restrictions apply to citizens but not the Federal government.  Anyone who thinks Americans still have liberty under constitutional law is sadly mistaken.
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The following text is a brief transcription of the first ten amendments to the Constitution in their original form. These amendments were ratified December 15, 1791, and form what is known as the "Bill of Rights."

AMENDMENT I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

* Annuled by Federal restrictions against public prayer, IRS 501.c.3, peaceful assembly is disallowed by local authorities, litigation against the US government is illegal.

AMENDMENT II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

* Annuled by transfer of command of state National Guard from governor's office to the Pentagon


AMENDMENT III
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

* Annuled by the law of Eminent Domain.  The government has the right to seize property for any reason at any time.

AMENDMENT IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

* Annuled by the Patriot Act with TSA as the exective arm - allows search and seizure without warrant or reason.

AMENDMENT V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

* Annulled by the Patriot Act of Oct. 2001 and the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012.

AMENDMENT VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

* Annulled by the Patriot Act of Oct. 2001 and the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012.

AMENDMENT VII
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

* Annulled by the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012.

AMENDMENT VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

* Annulled by the Homeland Security Act of 2002 and the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012.

AMENDMENT IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

* Annulled by the Patriot Act of Oct. 2001 and 'The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act'/ObamaCare of 2011.

AMENDMENT X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

* Usurped by the Federal Government at the expense of State's rights beginning in 1865


OTHER:
1947 National Security Act - Grants power to the president to lead America into war.
   Annuls Article 1 section 8 which states only congress can do so.


Naive worship of the constitution and adherence to the fantasy of a dead republic will not solve today's problems.  They serve only to ignore them.  The United States is now a fascist police state.  Citizens have no real power to decide or administer its policy. 

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #97 on: Fri Mar 24, 2017 - 07:46:39 »
The US constitution was de-ratified by act of congress on October 26, 2001.

With regard to law - the Federal government and its agencies are now excluded from civil action opposed to its policies or actions.  Federal agencies are now beyond the reach of oversight by civil or elected officials.  In many instances, it is a violation of Federal law to publicly protest or demonstrate against government policy or the policy of those closely associated with the government.   

Civil and criminal courts in America are guided by precedent rather than by any new interpretation or implementation of the law.

What now exists in America is what has been referred to as the Deep State.   Unfortunately the term has been misunderstood and misapplied by partisan politics so as to confuse the reality of the meaning of the term and to create an atmosphere of misinformation and disbelief in its reality.

The Deep State is a shadow government that decides policy.   The elected government is subservient to the Deep State and is responsible for execution of the policies and decisions of the Deep State.  The organisation of the Deep State may be loosely defined as; the military-industrial complex, Wall Street/American financial cartel, and the intelligence community.

For purposes of reference, the first good work on the subject was the book THE POWER ELITE by C. Wright Mills published in 1956.   It outlined the nature and development of the American power structure from colonial days to mid-twentieth century.  It was widely read by intellectuals and national leaders at the time, but is mostly unknown today.   Updated descriptions of the development of the American power structure in the twenty-first century is documented in THE DEEP STATE by Mike Lofgren.   The term has been used by legitimate media such as NBC, BBC, The NY Times, Washington Post, TASS, Newsweek Magazine and so on.   Unfortunately the useage of the term has been misapplied and misunderstood as political factions rather than as a form of American government.   

The elected government of the United States is no longer a constitutional form.   It is subservient to the Deep State, a loose coalition of powerful interests that decide policy.   The elected government is now a form of middle management charged with execution of the policies of the deep state.   The US constitution is an historic document that is no longer in force with regard to legal restraint upon the Federal government.

Case in point:  the US army and Marines have invaded Syria, a sovereign country.   This action did not take place within the scope of the US constitution that requires an act of congress to authorize military invasion.   This action did not take place within the mandate of the National Security Act of 1947, which usurps the constitution and allows POTUS to order it.   In point of fact, the invasion took place because a leading general said, "we were in the middle east anyway."

Anyone who thinks the consitution continues to be a guarantee of citizen rights or acts as a restraint upon the Federal government is living a delusion and needs to get in touch with reality.

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #98 on: Fri May 26, 2017 - 06:41:03 »
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The Constitution does not give anyone any rights.  It merely serves as a governmental safeguard of the liberties which all men have inherently, which derive from God and good sense.

Precisely.   It merely enumerates certain rights, but does not grant them or limit them; they come from God.  There are natural rights we all have regardless of the Constitution.    What it does, is restrain government from violating those enumerated rights.

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #99 on: Fri May 26, 2017 - 07:10:24 »
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The Constitution does not give anyone any rights.  It merely serves as a governmental safeguard of the liberties which all men have inherently, which derive from God and good sense.

Precisely.   It merely enumerates certain rights, but does not grant them or limit them; they come from God.  There are natural rights we all have regardless of the Constitution.    What it does, is restrain government from violating those enumerated rights.

It restrains government from violating those enumerated rights only so long as the government adheres to the constitution as it was originally proposed, written and accepted by the nation.  However since Woodrow Wilson those restraints have slowly but surely been eroded away.  Wilson's concept of the constitution as a "living document" stands in direct opposition to the constitution.  That concept of the constitution as a "living document" was recently set forth by none other than Dianne Feinstein, the Senator from California, in stating her objection to Neil Gorsuch for the Supreme Court.  And Feinstein is by no means the left-most member of the democrat party.  The current leadership of the democrat party is further to the left than even Feinstein.  I would say much further to the left.

Unfortunately I see very little directed opposition to that leftward trending.  The Republican Party makes no concerted effort to even slow the leftward trending.