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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #90 on: September 06, 2015, 05:57:45 AM »
The U.S. Constitution has come down to a 5-4 vote of 9 political driven men and women in black robes who are led by politics and intuition.
Their "feel so" has become our "do so." State rights are a figment of the subjective imagination of nine.
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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #90 on: September 06, 2015, 05:57:45 AM »

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #91 on: October 26, 2015, 06:33:52 AM »
Seems like a lot of updating over the years.........  A little back tracking, then some more updating.......... More flip flopping than a Jehovah Witness church history lesson.....lol

@ what point did it become perfect???

After slavery??

After women got the vote??

After Native Americans got citizenship??

After jim crow finally died in the 60's???

 ::cool::

No one said it was perfect.  But that doesn't give every liberal judge the right to change it just because he doesn't think it is perfect.  If it needs to be changed, there are appropriate provisions made in the constitution itself to change it.  It is not for some yay hoo sitting on the ninth circuit to change it.

It seems my post was removed???

IF that is the case this will likely be my last post as I do not want to participate on a Christian board that would delete something like that...  One can come here & question God but not a man made document???  lol

Exactly it is not perfect, nor will it ever be...  It has been & will always be very fallible & subject to interpretation & implementation..........  Que sera sera..

Much ado about nothing.   A tempest in a teapot. 

Constitutional discussion now lies somewhere between nuances of the law and an academic history of its application.  The practice of law is determined by legal precedent(1), not a simple two hundred year old outline written on fragile parchment.

The constitutional ratification process was completed for the most part on June 21, 1788.    The document, as a legal framework of Federal law, officially ended by act of congress on October 26, 2001.   After being corrupted and twisted out of recognition, it now appears the United States is a fascist police state manipulated and directed by unelected oligarchs.  The minions of its execution operate above the law and beyond the reach of justice.  The reader has heard it said that 'black lives matter'.  It is also true that white lives and hispanic lives and asian lives matter too.  The fact is that when you are staring at the wrong end of a gun it doesn't matter whether the man aiming it at you is a criminal or a cop.  Innocent or not, you are just as liable to die.   

There are several ways to prove my assertion.  First, it should be noted that prior to that dark day in October of 2001 there was little or no attention paid by the general population with regard to the constitution.   After that time, a great deal of discussion was generated both in public and by lawmakers.  I submit that there is no greater desire for a thing until the day its been irrevocably lost.   All of a sudden it's important.  All of a sudden it can't be found any more.  Hugging copies of the old constitution to one's breast will not stop a police bullet or keep an innocent man or woman beyond the clutches of an ever more insidious bureaucratic police state.

A lot of Christians may choose the simple answer that 'God is in control'.   True enough.  But consider that God is King of Kings and lord of presidents.  God's law is eternal and cannot be revoked by popular vote. 

"Christ does not vindicate a race or a nation.  It is the sovereignty of God which is vindicated." - Reinhold Niebuhr

Consider that a nation gets the government they deserve - always - and that God judges nations.  America is not exempt from divine judgment despite the opinions of many both secular and religious that we are a exceptional nation in the eyes of God.  Do you not know that many nations before us have laid claim to that same attitude and statement?  All of them are dust now.  America today is not the nation it was sixty or seventy years ago.  We have changed and not for the better.  We are wicked in the eyes of God and the family of nations.   

Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. once said that America is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world.  In the twenty-first century we have exceed the level of violence that shocked the great man.  Today the duty of Christians is to make sure their allegiance is to Christ first and not a corrupt government and an unjust flag.  Today the duty of Christians is to Christ first last and always - not the Federal government or the flag that represents it.

We have forgotten this simple duty.   We have forgotten God.   I fear we will pay a terrible price for our sins and wickedness, which even Christians deny.   Healing will never come to a man or a nation unless repentance comes first.  In this nation - God as well as morality is treated as a joke.   Judgment is not far behind such an attitude.   

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(1) Legal precedent determines the application of law.    Ask your lawyer if you doubt it.

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #91 on: October 26, 2015, 06:33:52 AM »

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #92 on: November 07, 2015, 06:59:19 PM »
In reference to the second amendment I have often wondered if those who support gun control have ever asked themselves this question.  If ALL guns were banned and illegal, who would be the only ones that had them?

The government. Just like in Nazi Germany and every other such totalitarian example.
The same reason our forefathers wanted guns in the hands of our citizenry - so the citizens could kick the despots out and take the government back - by force, if necessary.

The media likes to talk about all the violence that occurs because of illegally owned guns but what about those that are legal? Where are those statistics?

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #93 on: April 24, 2016, 10:06:42 AM »
The Constitution does not give anyone any rights.  It merely serves as a governmental safeguard of the liberties which all men have inherently, which derive from God and good sense.

There is no such thing as a 'right'.

I think you make a valid point here.  What are commonly thought of as 'rights' are in actual fact legal restrictions placed upon the Federal government by the constitution.  Additionally the constitution lists a number of legal precedents that apply to states and citizens that are supposed to be out of bounds for Federal actions both legal and physical. 

Unfortunately most of those legal restrictions have been usurped or debauched in recent years beginning on October 26, 2001.  The list of exceptions to those restrictions upon the Federal government seem to grow longer every day.  In other words, the constitution as we once knew it is no longer in effect. 

Welcome to twenty-first century America.

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #94 on: April 24, 2016, 12:28:07 PM »
Do you really know what makes a person a citizen of the United States? It's been defined since 1868 as you can see in the following.


Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

So, according to the 14th Amendment, any person born within the United States are considered by the Constitution as Citizens.(first sentence) The second sentence goes on to declare that ALL people within the United States, whether citizens or not, are subject to 'equal protection of the laws'. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to see that.



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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #95 on: May 08, 2016, 09:13:32 AM »
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html


Discussion about the constitution is an academic exercise.   On October 26, 2001 the constitution was officially de-ratified by an act of congress.   Since that time, SCOTUS POTUS and congress have worked together to nullify all the remaining aspects of the constitution that apply to the Federal government. 

The stench in your political nostrils these days is the odor of the rotting corpse of one of the greatest republics in human history.  Sadly it is gone now, not much more than a footnote in history.   I'm glad to say that I lived and knew the days when liberty was more than an act of congress or a presidential edict.  I remember a time when most everyone was aware of what liberty meant - and lived it.    Today it is a ghostly rumor of the past a thing remembered at best - a thing which is rapidly passing into legend and misuse of terminology.

May God have mercy upon us in these last days.

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #96 on: October 26, 2016, 06:24:35 AM »
Thanks for this, Jaime.   ::tippinghat::

I think everyone you make this a "home" page for their browser.  What a great reminder that freedom is precious every time it opens.

It's an obsolete historic document because most of it no longer applies.   

Ratification of the constitution was completed on June 21, 1788 when New Hampshire voted approval.  The US Congress officially deratified the document on October 26, 2001.   The purpose of the laws were to define the limits of Federal power, but the 2001 vote ended all that.   As of this writing, laws and restrictions apply to citizens but not the Federal government.  Anyone who thinks Americans still have liberty under constitutional law is sadly mistaken.
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The following text is a brief transcription of the first ten amendments to the Constitution in their original form. These amendments were ratified December 15, 1791, and form what is known as the "Bill of Rights."

AMENDMENT I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

* Annuled by Federal restrictions against public prayer, IRS 501.c.3, peaceful assembly is disallowed by local authorities, litigation against the US government is illegal.

AMENDMENT II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

* Annuled by transfer of command of state National Guard from governor's office to the Pentagon


AMENDMENT III
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

* Annuled by the law of Eminent Domain.  The government has the right to seize property for any reason at any time.

AMENDMENT IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

* Annuled by the Patriot Act with TSA as the exective arm - allows search and seizure without warrant or reason.

AMENDMENT V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

* Annulled by the Patriot Act of Oct. 2001 and the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012.

AMENDMENT VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

* Annulled by the Patriot Act of Oct. 2001 and the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012.

AMENDMENT VII
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

* Annulled by the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012.

AMENDMENT VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

* Annulled by the Homeland Security Act of 2002 and the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012.

AMENDMENT IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

* Annulled by the Patriot Act of Oct. 2001 and 'The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act'/ObamaCare of 2011.

AMENDMENT X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

* Usurped by the Federal Government at the expense of State's rights beginning in 1865


OTHER:
1947 National Security Act - Grants power to the president to lead America into war.
   Annuls Article 1 section 8 which states only congress can do so.


Naive worship of the constitution and adherence to the fantasy of a dead republic will not solve today's problems.  They serve only to ignore them.  The United States is now a fascist police state.  Citizens have no real power to decide or administer its policy. 

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #97 on: March 24, 2017, 06:46:39 AM »
The US constitution was de-ratified by act of congress on October 26, 2001.

With regard to law - the Federal government and its agencies are now excluded from civil action opposed to its policies or actions.  Federal agencies are now beyond the reach of oversight by civil or elected officials.  In many instances, it is a violation of Federal law to publicly protest or demonstrate against government policy or the policy of those closely associated with the government.   

Civil and criminal courts in America are guided by precedent rather than by any new interpretation or implementation of the law.

What now exists in America is what has been referred to as the Deep State.   Unfortunately the term has been misunderstood and misapplied by partisan politics so as to confuse the reality of the meaning of the term and to create an atmosphere of misinformation and disbelief in its reality.

The Deep State is a shadow government that decides policy.   The elected government is subservient to the Deep State and is responsible for execution of the policies and decisions of the Deep State.  The organisation of the Deep State may be loosely defined as; the military-industrial complex, Wall Street/American financial cartel, and the intelligence community.

For purposes of reference, the first good work on the subject was the book THE POWER ELITE by C. Wright Mills published in 1956.   It outlined the nature and development of the American power structure from colonial days to mid-twentieth century.  It was widely read by intellectuals and national leaders at the time, but is mostly unknown today.   Updated descriptions of the development of the American power structure in the twenty-first century is documented in THE DEEP STATE by Mike Lofgren.   The term has been used by legitimate media such as NBC, BBC, The NY Times, Washington Post, TASS, Newsweek Magazine and so on.   Unfortunately the useage of the term has been misapplied and misunderstood as political factions rather than as a form of American government.   

The elected government of the United States is no longer a constitutional form.   It is subservient to the Deep State, a loose coalition of powerful interests that decide policy.   The elected government is now a form of middle management charged with execution of the policies of the deep state.   The US constitution is an historic document that is no longer in force with regard to legal restraint upon the Federal government.

Case in point:  the US army and Marines have invaded Syria, a sovereign country.   This action did not take place within the scope of the US constitution that requires an act of congress to authorize military invasion.   This action did not take place within the mandate of the National Security Act of 1947, which usurps the constitution and allows POTUS to order it.   In point of fact, the invasion took place because a leading general said, "we were in the middle east anyway."

Anyone who thinks the consitution continues to be a guarantee of citizen rights or acts as a restraint upon the Federal government is living a delusion and needs to get in touch with reality.

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Re: The US Constitution
« Reply #98 on: May 26, 2017, 05:41:03 AM »
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The Constitution does not give anyone any rights.  It merely serves as a governmental safeguard of the liberties which all men have inherently, which derive from God and good sense.

Precisely.   It merely enumerates certain rights, but does not grant them or limit them; they come from God.  There are natural rights we all have regardless of the Constitution.    What it does, is restrain government from violating those enumerated rights.

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« Reply #99 on: May 26, 2017, 06:10:24 AM »
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The Constitution does not give anyone any rights.  It merely serves as a governmental safeguard of the liberties which all men have inherently, which derive from God and good sense.

Precisely.   It merely enumerates certain rights, but does not grant them or limit them; they come from God.  There are natural rights we all have regardless of the Constitution.    What it does, is restrain government from violating those enumerated rights.

It restrains government from violating those enumerated rights only so long as the government adheres to the constitution as it was originally proposed, written and accepted by the nation.  However since Woodrow Wilson those restraints have slowly but surely been eroded away.  Wilson's concept of the constitution as a "living document" stands in direct opposition to the constitution.  That concept of the constitution as a "living document" was recently set forth by none other than Dianne Feinstein, the Senator from California, in stating her objection to Neil Gorsuch for the Supreme Court.  And Feinstein is by no means the left-most member of the democrat party.  The current leadership of the democrat party is further to the left than even Feinstein.  I would say much further to the left.

Unfortunately I see very little directed opposition to that leftward trending.  The Republican Party makes no concerted effort to even slow the leftward trending.