Amo, do you realize I was being facetious about us being like the Nazis. I was making fun of those that denigrate Bush. My more than obvious point was that the Dems are playing politics by saying enhanced interrogation is morally reprehensible and drone strikes are not. Both are not. Forget your gobbedly gook about the pope.
No, actually, I did not know you were being facetious. Much is lost in conversation without facial expression, mannerisms, and tone of voice. I’m glad you were being facetious, though I believe both tactics being discussed are leaning in a dangerous direction, we are still a far cry from the Nazi’s. Unfortunately, it is historical fact that it is the trend of almost all government in and of this world to become overbearing and abusive toward at least one group of people existing within the grasp of its authority, if not all of them. What is being used against “terrorists” today, may be used against any perceived enemy tomorrow. In many cases, all who disagree with their governments and will defend their right to, will be deemed enemies of the state. Or shall we say domestic terrorists. The government and those running it at any given time, will of course define what terrorism is.
I’ve always thought the term was gobbeldy goop, not gobbedly gook. You may choose to ignore the political strides of the leader of over one billion people around the world which have all been instructed to establish papal social teaching and doctrine through legislation everywhere possible if you wish, I will not. This is exactly what the people of Germany did when Hitler and his Nazi party were rising to power. Wouldn’t you know it, the Pope was the leader of the first foreign political entity to make an accord with Hitler and the Nazi’s. They instructed their people to cooperate with Hitler at that time, as they have instructed their people to support one abusive form of government after another all throughout their history. Now here you are ridiculing any concern over the same influence upon our nation and world. I could easily provide the historical evidence of such, as well as much more recent papal statements to the effect of the one world governing body and economic power they envision, under their thumb of course. It is also easily established that that our own government is heavily influenced by her through the large number of her politicians occupying our legislative halls. They represent a majority in all three branches of our government.
Yet here you are choosing to ignore all of this, apparently until it comes and bites you right in the ass. So be it. We all have choices to make. Nor have many generations of humanity at all heeded the warnings which God has sent to them. The bible itself records that even those professing to be God’s people have almost always rejected those who God Himself sends to warn them of impending danger. It will be no different now I suppose. All the evidence is there for anyone who cares to examine it, and the responsibility lies upon each one of us ourselves to examine the facts in relation to the prophecies of God’s word.
Do you think our atomic attacks on Japan enraged them or broke and demotivated them to the point of defeating them? All war is hell and we are certainly in the middle of a long war now. Playing nice will not work. Just like in a street mugging or a fist fight, you use EVERYTHING at you disposal to defend yourself.
Comparing this to our war with the Japanese is way off base. We declared war with Japan as a nation and rightly so for their unprovoked and underhanded attack of our nation. This war would be with a religion not a nation, and our government has not and will not declare war with this religion. Such a war as you suggest could be fought and won, and this does not serve their purpose. A continuous war on terrorism though, does serve their purpose. It is far more easily maintained, and creates more fear and confusion than a conventional war which allows for greater resolution and determination among those fighting it. To bring about real change, you must keep those you are manipulating in a state of fear and confusion, and thus willing to allow whatever it takes to end the same. Apparently you simply do not believe there is anyone diabolical enough to actually employ this methodology. Though for the life of me, considering the history of humanity, I cannot see why you wouldn’t. Even if there were not men willing to do it, the devil most certainly would and is, with or without the aid of humanity.
If one of my daughters were kidnapped and I captured one of them, I would stop at nothing to get information out of the one guy as to the whereabouts of my daughter. This is very similar to what Bush faced after 911. Enhanced interrogation is nothing compared to what these dung beatles perpitrated.
Exactly! See, the plan works perfectly. We are prepared to allow for almost anything, which of course involves giving our government to power to do almost anything.
When we are personally attacked, we come out slinging snot and breaking heads with what ever we can get our hands on. No difference in our national post 911 scenario. And the Pope had nothing to do with it one way or the other.
This you do not and cannot know. The Pope meets with political leaders from all over the world, influencing the same. This includes many a Muslim leader. History has proved her role in instigating wars all throughout her existence. You simply choose to believe she is no longer involved in the same, even though there is no questioning the fact that few if any other political entities of this world, have as much access and communication with as many of the nations of this earth as her. You are wrong, and if you are around long enough this chosen ignorance will bite you in the ass. It already has, you just don’t know it or won’t admit of it.http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1341731?eng=yhttp://www.concordatwatch.eu/showsite.php?org_id=843http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/world/2014/11/28/19608493/http://christiannews.net/2013/12/16/pope-meets-with-head-of-international-islamic-organization/http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-67795-Pope-meets-Muslim-leaders-in-Lebanonhttp://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/pope-francis-to-meet-leader-of-international-islamic-grouphttp://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2011/09/germany-pope-meets-with-muslim-leaders.htmlhttp://article.wn.com/view/2014/11/30/Pope_Francis_prays_with_Muslim_leader/http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/catholic/THS1GBE8RPH547VH9http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2010/jun/05/pope-meets-muslim-leader-in-cyprus/