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Re: Liberals misquoting Islamic Creed
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2014, 11:38:56 AM »
Cosmic Mastermind, if Jesus is the greatest prophet in Islam, they should heed his statement that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and no man comes to the Father but through him. He's either who he said he was, the Son of God or a liar. Of course Islam says God has no son. Muslims can't get away with saying Jesus was a great prophet and ignore his edicts. At the very best, that is disingenuous. Not surprising for a counterfeit religion.

The accounts in the gospels in their texts for NT scripture have none of that.

No sonship
no diety
no way to the Father.... etc.

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Re: Liberals misquoting Islamic Creed
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2014, 11:41:04 AM »
Cosmic Mastermind, if Jesus is the greatest prophet in Islam, they should heed his statement that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and no man comes to the Father but through him. He's either who he said he was, the Son of God or a liar. Of course Islam says God has no son. Muslims can't get away with saying Jesus was a great prophet and ignore his edicts. At the very best, that is disingenuous. Not surprising for a counterfeit religion.

The accounts in the gospels in their texts for NT scripture have none of that.

No sonship
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no way to the Father.... etc.

Who'd a thunk it?!

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Re: Liberals misquoting Islamic Creed
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2014, 12:10:25 PM »
Abraham--------Isaac------------Christianity
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Ishmael---------Islam

Kudos for clarity and brevity, but there is a surprising amount of common ground between the Christian and Islamic faiths as far as their religious texts and history go - though how things play out in the modern world is another story.

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Re: Liberals misquoting Islamic Creed
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2014, 12:16:05 PM »
There is a surprising amount of common ground between a counterfeit 100 dollar bill and a real one. Counterfeits by definition must look a lot like the real thing.

Again, how can Jesus be a great prophet to them and be wrong about being the son of God. A technicality, but an awfully big one.

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Re: Liberals misquoting Islamic Creed
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2014, 12:16:05 PM »
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Re: Liberals misquoting Islamic Creed
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2014, 12:21:19 PM »
Abraham--------Isaac------------Christianity
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Ishmael---------Islam

Shouldn't that actually be more like this:?

Abraham--------Isaac---------Judaism--------Christianity
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Ishmael---------Islam

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Re: Liberals misquoting Islamic Creed
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2014, 02:12:04 PM »
There is a surprising amount of common ground between a counterfeit 100 dollar bill and a real one. Counterfeits by definition must look a lot like the real thing.

Again, how can Jesus be a great prophet to them and be wrong about being the son of God. A technicality, but an awfully big one.

I can't answer that without breaking forum rules.

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Re: Liberals misquoting Islamic Creed
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2014, 03:04:21 PM »
 ::smile:: ::smile:: ::smile::
Abraham--------Isaac------------Christianity
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Ishmael---------Islam

Shouldn't that actually be more like this:?

Abraham--------Isaac---------Judaism--------Christianity
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Ishmael---------Islam
Yes Dave, I skipped a step.
 

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Re: Liberals misquoting Islamic Creed
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2014, 04:14:33 PM »
There is a surprising amount of common ground between a counterfeit 100 dollar bill and a real one. Counterfeits by definition must look a lot like the real thing.

Again, how can Jesus be a great prophet to them and be wrong about being the son of God. A technicality, but an awfully big one.

I can't answer that without breaking forum rules.

PM the answer to me. I'm curious about it.

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Re: Liberals misquoting Islamic Creed
« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 09:06:57 PM »
The Shahada, or Islamic Creed, simply states "La ilaha illa Allah wa-Muhammad rasul Allah." As you can see, "allah" simply means god in Arabic. Just as "el" means god in Hebrew. Jewish people refer to God often as "Elohim" frequently in prayers, with "Elohim" technically being the plural form of "Eloah." In Arabic languages, 'al' means 'the' and '-ilah' means god. The Shahada reminds me of Sh'ma Israel, which goes like this: "Sh'ma Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Ehad." For Jews, this is a common prayer. It means, "Listen, Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is One." Adonai means Lord, and Eloheinu is a form of El, meaning "our God."
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Re: Liberals misquoting Islamic Creed
« Reply #24 on: Today at 06:34:51 AM »
The Shahada, or Islamic Creed, simply states "La ilaha illa Allah wa-Muhammad rasul Allah." As you can see, "allah" simply means god in Arabic. Just as "el" means god in Hebrew. Jewish people refer to God often as "Elohim" frequently in prayers, with "Elohim" technically being the plural form of "Eloah." In Arabic languages, 'al' means 'the' and '-ilah' means god. The Shahada reminds me of Sh'ma Israel, which goes like this: "Sh'ma Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Ehad." For Jews, this is a common prayer. It means, "Listen, Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is One." Adonai means Lord, and Eloheinu is a form of El, meaning "our God."

Nice try, but "Allah" was the name of a very specific god from Mecca. It does not simply mean "the god."  It is a proper name and one that does not equate to the Most High God.

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Re: Liberals misquoting Islamic Creed
« Reply #25 on: Today at 06:41:25 AM »
Absolutely correct Bond. If Allah and Jehova are the same god, he is an extreme schizophrenic.


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Re: Liberals misquoting Islamic Creed
« Reply #26 on: Today at 07:01:50 AM »
Persian friend of mine and convert to Christianity has always said that the best reference to Allah is their (prior to Islam) moon God, but it can't be proven 100%. At any rate, Allah is not the same as Jehovah, the name was borrowed from one of the many polytheistic gods that formerly sat with Arabs.

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Re: Liberals misquoting Islamic Creed
« Reply #27 on: Today at 07:07:32 AM »
Persian friend of mine and convert to Christianity has always said that the best reference to Allah is their (prior to Islam) moon God, but it can't be proven 100%. At any rate, Allah is not the same as Jehovah, the name was borrowed from one of the many polytheistic gods that formerly sat with Arabs.

It cannot be proven 100% on the internet because of Islamic Apologists who scrub the internet for such references and remove them.  However, if you engage in research the old fashioned way, then it certainly can be proven 100%.

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Re: Liberals misquoting Islamic Creed
« Reply #28 on: Today at 09:22:25 AM »
Absolutely correct Bond. If Allah and Jehova are the same god, he is an extreme schizophrenic.


 Absolutely, and their god has no son either.  ::shrug::