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We just had a constitution test and failed.
« on: Mon Jun 29, 2020 - 20:27:58 »
Where in the constitution does it say your right to assemble, freedom of religion, freedom to pursue happiness , make a living and travel Can be suspended if their is a bad virus?  Yes we like good sheep followed all the orders.  We failed.

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« Reply #1 on: Mon Jun 29, 2020 - 20:41:58 »
The over reaction towards the virus was unbelievably stupid and actually very counterproductive and it was promoted by semi intelligent people like feckless Fauci.

Next door in Odessa Texas, the idiot mayor wanted to shut down the city again. The city council met briefly and said, uh, NO! Next agenda item.
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« Reply #2 on: Tue Jun 30, 2020 - 07:04:16 »
The over reaction towards the virus was unbelievably stupid and actually very counterproductive and it was promoted by semi intelligent people like feckless Fauci.

Next door in Odessa Texas, the idiot mayor wanted to shut down the city again. The city council met briefly and said, uh, NO! Next agenda item.

Pittsburgh, Allegheny County just closed down all bars again and restaurants are not allowed to serve alcohol because of the spike.

Though people can order and take it out.

Reasoning.... people drink then all social distancing is out the window.

ALso.... going to a restaurant you must wear a mask.... even when there.... except while eating of drinking something  ::whistle::

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« Reply #3 on: Tue Jun 30, 2020 - 08:10:34 »
Where in the constitution does it say your right to assemble, freedom of religion, freedom to pursue happiness , make a living and travel Can be suspended if their is a bad virus?  Yes we like good sheep followed all the orders.  We failed.
Where in the constitution or state law does it say I am not allowed to walk down a street during the middle of a drug raid or gang shoot out?

As Paul said "All things are lawful but not all things are profitable."  It is called watching out for your fellow man.  Not spreading a very strange virus that is asymptomatic in a large percentage of cases and deadly in others.

It is not about personal freedoms (which is on shaky ground biblically to begin with) but about preferring the weaker brother.

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« Reply #4 on: Tue Jun 30, 2020 - 12:20:32 »
So how many deaths from say the annual flu is acceptable without locking down the economy? Millions get the flu and don’t die. Some do die. Where has been the concern for the weaker brother then? No this is all about something else. As long as Trump is in office no cost is too high to bring him down. If Biden wins in November, Covid 19 will miraculously be relegated to just a mere nuisance similar to the annual flu, where old people die by the 10s of thousands with little fanfare. And the hoax overreation will be history, a necessary cost to be rid of Trump. Then Dr Fauci will crawl back in his hole where 400 % errors in projections from SWAG  models  are considered worthy science. And black lives will go back to being worth no more than anyone elses’s lives.
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« Reply #5 on: Tue Jun 30, 2020 - 13:36:02 »
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So how many deaths from say the annual flu is acceptable without locking down the economy?
Yes we should be self quarantining and distancing with that as well.   there is a new type of swine flu starting out that could be another pandemic. So this stuff is far from over.  And it should be done regardless of who is in the white house.

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« Reply #6 on: Tue Jun 30, 2020 - 13:38:41 »
So how many deaths from say the annual flu is acceptable without locking down the economy? Millions get the flu and don’t die. Some do die. Where has been the concern for the weaker brother then? No this is all about something else. As long as Trump is in office no cost is too high to bring him down. If Biden wins in November, Covid 19 will miraculously be relegated to just a mere nuisance similar to the annual flu, where old people die by the 10s of thousands with little fanfare. And the hoax overreation will be history, a necessary cost to be rid of Trump. Then Dr Fauci will crawl back in his hole where 400 % errors in projections from SWAG  models  are considered worthy science. And black lives will go back to being worth no more than anyone elses’s lives.

 ::doh::

I just had a similar conversation with someone I dont think votes, ad hope he does not. Married to a woman who works for the University of Pittsburgh...

He said... "Isn't it odd that all the democratic states are still very much in some form of lock down and the republican ones are not.

I had to point out the blue states need to keep the economy crushed so they wont vote again for Trump. They just simply hate the economy had been doing so well.

But his wife will vote for Biden....He has never said he votes.... but I am sure his 2 daughters will now be Biden votes.... ::cryingtears::


 

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« Reply #7 on: Tue Jun 30, 2020 - 14:23:14 »
Dave W  apples and oranges  entering a crime scene is no a right guaranteed under the constitution.  Freedom to assemble peaceable, freedom of religion, freedom to pursue happiness ( like a small business person) freedom to travel are all rights under the constitution.  The government can say what it thinks is best like a “mandatory evacuation “during a hurricane But no one is fined or put in jail for not evacuating .  Why because it is unconstitutional.  When folks go to court over denying these rights they will be declared unconstitutional.  Of course if you want to riot tear up stuff and kill people in a liberal run city that is OK.  Answer if you are afraid to go to church or a business or a ballgame or a beach don’t go.  Just don’t violate our constitution by ordering and fining folks for doing those things or threading a business owner for not becoming a sheep.
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« Reply #8 on: Tue Jun 30, 2020 - 14:32:45 »
PS I have a small device in my chest run by a battery that keeps my heart beating, a Dacron wrap holing my AOTA together and a fake aortic valve any of which could go out at any time but I refuse to live my life in fear or put my children’s republic and constitution in jeopardy because of fear about a fake emergency.

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« Reply #9 on: Tue Jun 30, 2020 - 14:39:51 »
DaveW, uh.........NO. We have never shut this country down over any pandemic, epidemic or in this case Dem-panic. God gave us immune systems for a purpose. Some will die, like they die from hundreds of other things including DWI and smoking, both of which are easily fixable, but ironically are not.

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« Reply #10 on: Tue Jun 30, 2020 - 18:42:38 »
Yes we should be self quarantining and distancing with that as well.   there is a new type of swine flu starting out that could be another pandemic. So this stuff is far from over.  And it should be done regardless of who is in the white house.

The difference from the annual flu is that with that, one can electively go and get a shot to avoid it or make it less intense if you do get it.

ARE YOU self quarantining during this Covid-19?

As to the new Swine flu.

The old one had a vaccine. It is the one that I take every Sept.

WEB MD

Is there a vaccine for the swine flu?
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The same flu vaccine that protects against seasonal flu also protects against the H1N1 swine flu strain. You can get it as a shot or as a nasal spray. Either way, it "teaches" your immune system to attack the real virus.

From: H1N1 Flu Virus (Swine Flu)

If it is a "swine" flu then this shot may work... or be a starting point.

We will have to wait to see if the old one simply mutated or was genetically altered.

But self quarantining indefinitely has me wondering where we will get food or meds from as those people must self quarantine also.






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« Reply #11 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 06:27:24 »
DaveW, uh.........NO. We have never shut this country down over any pandemic, epidemic or in this case Dem-panic. God gave us immune systems for a purpose. Some will die, like they die from hundreds of other things including DWI and smoking, both of which are easily fixable, but ironically are not.
For much of the history of this country BEFORE WW2, quarantines could be called by local health officials and had the force of law. That was used extensively in the 19th century and with the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic.

No one complained about constitutional rights being "trampled."

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« Reply #12 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 06:33:46 »
From: H1N1 Flu Virus (Swine Flu)

If it is a "swine" flu then this shot may work... or be a starting point.
The new strain is G4 EA H1N1.  It shares some aspects of regular H1N1 but is different, just as the Covid virus is different from other Corona viruses like SARS.

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« Reply #13 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 06:45:04 »
The new strain is G4 EA H1N1.  It shares some aspects of regular H1N1 but is different, just as the Covid virus is different from other Corona viruses like SARS.

Fine...

I simply do not care any longer.

One of them will get me.

Oh I will put up a fight, simply because I am not a passive person. But it is inevitable.... Pestilences will be here until the end ::tippinghat::

Did have a fried who almost died with the last swine flu making its rounds. Husband had to move out of the house for weeks to avoid getting it from her...  ::frown::



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« Reply #14 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 07:03:19 »
Your thought for the day. Of those readily remembered.

1957 The Asian Flu

1968 the A type  hong kong

1997 A(H5N1) avian flu

 2003 SARS

 2013 H7N9 also bird flu

2019  Now, the milder, yet more infectious COVID-19

Originated in China.....

As of January 2020, there are 7 strains of human coronaviruses:

Human coronavirus 229E (HCoV-229E)
Human coronavirus OC43 (HCoV-OC43)
SARS-CoV
Human coronavirus NL63 (HCoV-NL63, New Haven coronavirus)
Human coronavirus HKU1
Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV), previously known as novel coronavirus 2012 and HCoV-EMC.
Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

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« Reply #15 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 07:45:55 »
Maybe we should invest in -

Kimberly Clark (for the approaching TP shortages again)
Proctor & Gamble (for Clorox wipes that are still missing from my store's shelves)

and/or

Pfizer (for all that Robitussin cough syrup I drink by the gallon when ill)


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« Reply #16 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 07:56:17 »
The difference from the annual flu is that with that, one can electively go and get a shot to avoid it or make it less intense if you do get it.

ARE YOU self quarantining during this Covid-19?

As to the new Swine flu.

The old one had a vaccine. It is the one that I take every Sept.

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Is there a vaccine for the swine flu?
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The same flu vaccine that protects against seasonal flu also protects against the H1N1 swine flu strain. You can get it as a shot or as a nasal spray. Either way, it "teaches" your immune system to attack the real virus.

From: H1N1 Flu Virus (Swine Flu)

If it is a "swine" flu then this shot may work... or be a starting point.

We will have to wait to see if the old one simply mutated or was genetically altered.

But self quarantining indefinitely has me wondering where we will get food or meds from as those people must self quarantine also.


There are several variations of the flu shot, appropriately administered to people determined by their age.


The flu shot needs to be administered annually, primarily due to constant mutations of each strain. IOW, the shot you received last year will be ineffective against this years strains.

Your body builds natural anti-bodies, the flu shot is designed to boost those anti-bodies against the specific strains of the shot given. This is the point of controversy, when you get vaccines such as the flu shot it compromises your bodies ability to create natural anti-bodies, some people have very strong immune systems and are able to fight off viruses without ever showing symptoms. When someone says "I never get a cold or the flu", that could mean they never show symptoms of the virus but are equally capable of carrying it and passing it to others.


This new version of G4 EA H1N1 won't be included in previous vaccinations but could possibly be easily remedied for future vaccinations.


I still have reservations about a vaccination for COVID-19, the way it's looking now vaccinations may become a thing that is pushed to become mandatory before letting kids back in the schools, including all staff. Most likely any public service as well, police, fire, ambulance, etc, as well as many employers jumping head first into making it policy as a term of employment.



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« Reply #17 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 08:10:23 »
No one should count on a coronavirus vaccine anytime soon.

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« Reply #18 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 08:16:29 »

There are several variations of the flu shot, appropriately administered to people determined by their age.


The flu shot needs to be administered annually, primarily due to constant mutations of each strain. IOW, the shot you received last year will be ineffective against this years strains.

Yes, and every February scientists in the northern hemisphere meet and design the flu shot for the upcoming season based on the predicted strain.
Evidently Joe Biden doesn't know this, or is just playing to the idiots.
Yesterday, Hidin' Biden said, "MR PRESIDENT, WE NEED TO BE WORKING ON THIS YEARS FLU VACCINE RIGHT NOW!!!! WHAT ARE YOU WAITING ON??"   I guess he's implying President Trump slacked off on lighting a fire under those scientists back in February.  rofl

And people actually buy his phony-baloney. smh I can see them running around now like chicken littles saying Trump isn't getting this year's flu shot ready. It's scary how gullible people are.


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« Reply #19 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 08:17:48 »
No one should count on a coronavirus vaccine anytime soon.

Correct.

Fauci has been working on an AIDS vaccine for decades with no luck.


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« Reply #20 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 08:24:55 »
Yes, and every February scientists in the northern hemisphere meet and design the flu shot for the upcoming season based on the predicted strain.
Evidently Joe Biden doesn't know this, or is just playing to the idiots.
Yesterday, Hidin' Biden said, "MR PRESIDENT, WE NEED TO BE WORKING ON THIS YEARS FLU VACCINE RIGHT NOW!!!! WHAT ARE YOU WAITING ON??"   I guess he's implying President Trump slacked off on lighting a fire under those scientists back in February.  rofl

And people actually buy his phony-baloney. smh I can see them running around now like chicken littles saying Trump isn't getting this year's flu shot ready. It's scary how gullible people are.

And even with the flu shot people still get sick and die.

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« Reply #21 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 09:33:25 »
I have taken the flu shot for the last 6 or 7 years and have gotten the flu each of those years because of the variations in strain. Ironically, I never had the flu before that I know of before.

Strengthen your immunities people. God gave them to us for a reason. A shot is NOT a panacea. If your immunities are weak or compromised, by all means take a vaccine if available.

I know a 35 year old guy that is an alcoholic and very unhealthy because of the alcholism and other lifestyle related problems. He has Covid and is in real trouble. Otherwise let’s do battle with this scourge with God’s immunities within us tuned to the best of our abilities with vitamins, exercise, etc.
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« Reply #22 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 09:41:35 »
DaveW you said local (not federal) rule were use in the Spanish flu of 1918 and they had the force of law.  Some schools were not closed including 3 of the largest cities.  No one was prosecuted or fined for not following the rules.  That is the role of government to warn like a “mandatory evacuation “ during a hurricane yet people are not fined or arrested for not complying.  That is the difference today local and state governments have tried to enforce these unconstitutional mandates with fines and threats of jail.  That is what makes them unconstitutional.  The government can say it is not safe to meet for church service it is when the try to enforce this that it violates the constitution.  If tens of thousands of rioters (a clear violation of actual law) can meet in many places without being arrested or causing the virus to spike the why should a hundred folks meeting inside or outside a church building be a big deal.  Again live in fear if you wish but don’t expect the rest of us to.
 

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« Reply #23 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 10:25:02 »
No one should count on a coronavirus vaccine anytime soon.


If they rush it out I will vigorously oppose it, not because I'm an anti-vaxer but because I can't possibly believe they have enough study on the adverse affects of such a vaccination.

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« Reply #24 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 10:31:06 »
Yes, and every February scientists in the northern hemisphere meet and design the flu shot for the upcoming season based on the predicted strain.
Evidently Joe Biden doesn't know this, or is just playing to the idiots.
Yesterday, Hidin' Biden said, "MR PRESIDENT, WE NEED TO BE WORKING ON THIS YEARS FLU VACCINE RIGHT NOW!!!! WHAT ARE YOU WAITING ON??"   I guess he's implying President Trump slacked off on lighting a fire under those scientists back in February.  rofl

And people actually buy his phony-baloney. smh I can see them running around now like chicken littles saying Trump isn't getting this year's flu shot ready. It's scary how gullible people are.


They're all the same, liberals waiting on this supposed vaccine like it will be the god send of the millennium, then they can praise the WHO, Fauci, Trudeau, and everyone else that was responsible for "saving" us.  ::rollingeyes::

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« Reply #25 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 10:57:54 »

If they rush it out I will vigorously oppose it, not because I'm an anti-vaxer but because I can't possibly believe they have enough study on the adverse affects of such a vaccination.

There hasn't been a vaccine made for other coronaviruses.  I wouldn't be surprised if history repeats itself.

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« Reply #26 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 11:01:48 »

If they rush it out I will vigorously oppose it, not because I'm an anti-vaxer but because I can't possibly believe they have enough study on the adverse affects of such a vaccination.


True, anyone lining up to take a quickly concocted corona vaccine should refresh their memory of what happened in 2009 when scientists rushed to make a vaccine for the swine flu and the devastating consequences of that vaccine. European governments launched a massive "moral persuasion" campaign to guilt people into taking the vaccine - which ended up causing brain damage, especially in children. Yes, lawsuits have been successful against the manufacturers, but what good does that do if your precious child is brain damaged for life?
Governments seem to be pretty good at using "moral persuasion" to get the people to follow their wishes.
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« Reply #27 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 11:25:29 »
DaveW you said local (not federal) rule were use in the Spanish flu of 1918 and they had the force of law.  Some schools were not closed including 3 of the largest cities.  No one was prosecuted or fined for not following the rules.  That is the role of government to warn like a “mandatory evacuation “ during a hurricane yet people are not fined or arrested for not complying.  That is the difference today local and state governments have tried to enforce these unconstitutional mandates with fines and threats of jail.  That is what makes them unconstitutional.  The government can say it is not safe to meet for church service it is when the try to enforce this that it violates the constitution.  If tens of thousands of rioters (a clear violation of actual law) can meet in many places without being arrested or causing the virus to spike the why should a hundred folks meeting inside or outside a church building be a big deal.  Again live in fear if you wish but don’t expect the rest of us to.

This was the epistle reading last weekend:

Rom 13:1  Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. 5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake.

Paul wrote that when Nero was ruling the empire.  Governing authorities include local as well as national leaders.

Peter agreed with Paul:

1 Pet 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, 14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right. 15 For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men. 16 Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God. 17 Honor all people, love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king.

The Drash (teaching) on the Romans passage about submitting to government (and the Torah and Hebrew Prophets sections) is here, given by Elder Dana Shorb.  His part starts at 51:10 into the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dTp8pzbfao
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This was the epistle reading last weekend:

Rom 13:1  Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. 5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake.

Paul wrote that when Nero was ruling the empire.  Governing authorities include local as well as national leaders.

Peter agreed with Paul:

1 Pet 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, 14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right. 15 For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men. 16 Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God. 17 Honor all people, love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king.

The Drash (teaching) on the Romans passage about submitting to government (and the Torah and Hebrew Prophets sections) is here, given by Elder Dana Shorb.  His part starts at 51:10 into the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dTp8pzbfao

Did your congregation follow government law/executive orders when it comes to congregating, which at one point was limited to no more than ten people, or did they follow God's Word?

Hebrews 10: 

23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; 24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, 25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.


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Re: We just had a constitution test and failed.
« Reply #29 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 17:54:51 »
Fauci has a say in the government gestapo rules. He doesn’t know caca. What he DOES know is how to issue a SWAG (Super Wild Assed Guess) projection from his faulty models, to an accuracy of +/- 400%.

It’stime to rely on our God given immunities that we can macimize with vitamin supplements and such. This virus ain’t a death sentence for 99% of the folks and the other 1% have underlying health issues.

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Re: We just had a constitution test and failed.
« Reply #30 on: Wed Jul 01, 2020 - 19:09:37 »
This was the epistle reading last weekend:

Rom 13:1  Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.

You better be very careful of who you follow. In spite of biblical admonitions.
For an arguement could be made that God approves of abortions after birth.

This man is one who God established?

Virginia Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam is facing backlash after he voiced his support for a state measure that would significantly loosen restrictions on late-term abortions.

"[Third trimester abortions are] done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that's nonviable. So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen," Northam, a pediatric neurosurgeon, told Washington radio station WTOP. "The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/31/politics/ralph-northam-third-trimester-abortion/index.html

I'll let the Hitler in power under God's authorization wallow around in your imagination. Especially that God

Rom 13:1  Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

established him.


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Re: We just had a constitution test and failed.
« Reply #31 on: Yesterday at 05:02:40 »
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You better be very careful of who you follow. In spite of biblical admonitions.
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This man is one who God established?
When Paul and Peter wrote those admonishments Nero was in power.  Nero LOVED to throw christians to the lions, let gladiators use them for practice dismemberment, etc.  God put Nero in power according to those apostles.

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Re: We just had a constitution test and failed.
« Reply #32 on: Yesterday at 07:35:22 »
When Paul and Peter wrote those admonishments Nero was in power.  Nero LOVED to throw christians to the lions, let gladiators use them for practice dismemberment, etc.  God put Nero in power according to those apostles.

YEP.

So does that make you not wonder?

Or does it make you wonder if "inspired" scripture was accurately stated?

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Re: We just had a constitution test and failed.
« Reply #33 on: Yesterday at 14:33:00 »
DavidW I am obeying the governing authority.  The governing authority of our country is the US constitution .  It is the supreme authority of the land and the bill of right guarantee those rights so I am not bound by Bible or constitution to follow illegal rules of a mayor governor or the president.