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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #225 on: December 24, 2010, 09:23:26 AM »
And no where in scripture does it say others should tell us what to do with money we earned.-revmitchell

By His commandments, He tells us. He is the "other". So yes, scripture does tell us what to do with money earned. Actually, it tells us what to do with the life given. Money is simply a part of that life.


Your circular reasoning is not helpful to the discussion

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #226 on: December 24, 2010, 12:12:47 PM »
And no where in scripture does it say others should tell us what to do with money we earned.-revmitchell

By His commandments, He tells us. He is the "other". So yes, scripture does tell us what to do with money earned. Actually, it tells us what to do with the life given. Money is simply a part of that life.


Your circular reasoning is not helpful to the discussion

Circular reasoning?

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #227 on: December 24, 2010, 12:21:30 PM »
Okay, I found this definition of circular reasoning.

Circular reasoning is an attempt to support a statement by simply repeating the statement in different or stronger terms.  In this fallacy, the reason given is nothing more than a restatement of the conclusion that poses as the reason for the conclusion.  To say, “You should exercise because it’s good for you

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #228 on: January 22, 2011, 11:01:34 AM »

(Data from the IRS)


So I glean from the above that 45.64% of the wealthiest people in the USA pay absolutely NO income tax, and that 34.16% of the top 10% pay no income tax.  Lastly 3.46% of the rest of us that pay no taxes.  That means the rich can hire people to figure out how not to pay any taxes unlike the rest of us.

According to CBS News 43.4% of all US taxpayers pay ABSOLUTELY NO INCOME TAX!

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #229 on: March 16, 2011, 07:50:21 PM »
I would hope that none of us pay taxes because we feel some biblical command to do so.  Rather, I pay taxes not because I recognize or respect the authority of our supposed "leaders" and the country I live in but rather if I don't I'll loose everything-  my house, my car and possibly my life.  It's like this;  I give this govt. some money to get them out of my hair so I can keep a bigger portion for myself.  I pay the thief so I can keep my life and my property while knowing full well they use none of the money for anything that's good. 

While we're on the topic so taxation.  The Flat Tax isn't flat and the Fair Tax isn't fair.

The Flat tax notion suggests that individuals will pay a certain percentage of their income to THE MAN.  Let's, for this example, set it at 10%.  So if I make 100,000 bucks in 1 year I have to give up $10,000.  If you make 20,000 dollars you have to $2,000.  We both pay a different amount of money so it's not flat.

The Fair tax is a tax on existence- if you want to live you have to pay a tax to do it.  You buy food- it's taxed, you buy fuel....it's taxed.

So, both the Fair Tax and Flat Tax are sinful.

Also, any church that's 501c3 (most) is a government run church.  The minister can not influence elections so he's gagged by the IRS.  So much for working for God and proclaiming His word without state interference.

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #230 on: March 16, 2011, 08:16:23 PM »

(Data from the IRS)


So I glean from the above that 45.64% of the wealthiest people in the USA pay absolutely NO income tax, and that 34.16% of the top 10% pay no income tax.  Lastly 3.46% of the rest of us that pay no taxes.  That means the rich can hire people to figure out how not to pay any taxes unlike the rest of us.



What are you talking about? The graphs show exactly the opposite of what you said.
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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #231 on: March 16, 2011, 08:19:46 PM »
The Flat tax notion suggests that individuals will pay a certain percentage of their income to THE MAN.  Let's, for this example, set it at 10%.  So if I make 100,000 bucks in 1 year I have to give up $10,000.  If you make 20,000 dollars you have to $2,000.  We both pay a different amount of money so it's not flat.

Yes, it's flat because both are paying the same rate.

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The Fair tax is a tax on existence- if you want to live you have to pay a tax to do it.  You buy food- it's taxed, you buy fuel....it's taxed.

Under the Fair Tax each household would get a certain amount of money each month representing what the tax would be on up to a certain amount of income spent on just existing.  It would serve to penalize those who have saved anything (one of the reasons I don't like it), would penalize illegal aliens (one of the reasons I like it), and would cause a boom-bust in the economy as folks emptied their savings to stock up before it kicks in and then go a long time without spending anything.

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Also, any church that's 501c3 (most) is a government run church.  The minister can not influence elections so he's gagged by the IRS.  So much for working for God and proclaiming His word without state interference.

Well, I don't have a problem with organizations that benefit from not being taxed by politicians not being able to influence which politicians get power.  I'm having trouble finding it, but could you show me where Peter, Paul or any other apostle gave us voting advice?

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #232 on: March 16, 2011, 08:23:01 PM »
What are you talking about? The graphs show exactly the opposite of what you said.

Don't ever let that dude cut a cake.  Someone would probably get stabbed in the chest.

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« Reply #233 on: March 17, 2011, 06:45:04 AM »
With the graduated income tax the percentages will always favor  a certain income level.  

Frankly, I don't know whether those charts are correct.   Just because someone puts up a pie chart that's supposedly from the IRS doesn't mean it's correct.  Even if the percentages are correct it's a perfect example of "unjust weights and measures" which is forbidden in the Bible.

The Founders of this country rebelled against a 2 cent tax on paper goods and look where we are today!  We have a strong centralized govt. that controls every aspect of our lives.  The Founders never had that in mind and were clearly in favor of a small Federal govt.

The Federal Govt. can only be big and intrusive to the extent it receives massive amounts of "tribute" from the citizens.  If you starve it of it's food (money) it shrinks and be greatly reduced.  Of course the unConstitutional Federal Reserve loans the govt. money it doesn't have and the US (and others dumb enough to buy Treasury Bonds or US "savings" bonds) citizens pay it all back from their labor.

As Paul says in Romans 13- "Their is no power but of God".  A government that doesn't rule according to God's law is no legitimate power and is certainly not from God.

We've been a socialist country for years so don't blame O'Bama (who I just found out isn't Irish).  Blame all of those that want YOU to pay for THEIR benefits. For example- Social Security has been broke for years.....there are only I.O.U's in it...and what business has the govt. in forcing you to pay money into a Ponzi scheme?

In the Old Testament God commanded that men should be chosen for Judges that wouldn't lie, hated a bribe and wouldn't pervert judgment.  We probably have none of those kind of men in this country in positions of public servants...except for Ron Paul.


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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #234 on: March 17, 2011, 07:35:35 AM »

They have finally realized my worth to this country, or at least where I live. I paid my yearly property taxes through the mail around a month ago, asked for a receipt, and instead received a tax refund check for the entire amount yesterday. I can now sing Money, Money, M O N E Y e e.

Wait, could they have made a mistake? Surely not, our school district only has a  thirty million shortfall, and our credit is still good isn't it? Spend, spend spend.
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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #235 on: March 17, 2011, 08:52:41 AM »
Of course the unConstitutional Federal Reserve loans the govt. money it doesn't have and the US (and others dumb enough to buy Treasury Bonds or US "savings" bonds) citizens pay it all back from their labor.

The federal reserve owns a small portion of the national debt and well over 90% of the interest it collects on the portion it owns is paid to the US Treasury.  Of course, it serves the interests of the politicians, as well as the voters who send them there, for folks to not understand it. 

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We've been a socialist country for years so don't blame O'Bama (who I just found out isn't Irish).

rofl

He is on St. Paddy's Day.

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Blame all of those that want YOU to pay for THEIR benefits.

We have found the enemy and he is us.

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For example- Social Security has been broke for years.....there are only I.O.U's in it...and what business has the govt. in forcing you to pay money into a Ponzi scheme?

Of course there's only IOUs in it.  What else could it be?  Have you fallen for Algore's Social Security lockbox hoax?  Social Security taxes are paid in.  After all the benefits are paid out, if there is money left over, just what do you propose to be done with it?   

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In the Old Testament God commanded that men should be chosen for Judges that wouldn't lie, hated a bribe and wouldn't pervert judgment.  We probably have none of those kind of men in this country in positions of public servants...except for Ron Paul.

He's better than most but he is mistaken about a few things, as well.



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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #236 on: March 17, 2011, 11:39:00 AM »
No, the interest goes to the Federal Reserve.

Also, what issues do you disagree with Ron Paul about?

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #237 on: March 17, 2011, 11:47:09 AM »
If Ron Paul had a more aggressive view of terrorism and didn't think us standing shoulder to shoulder on our shores is enough, then I would be his biggest supporter. We MUST be pre-emptive, aggressive and relentless in the war on terror. Super expensive and unavoidable. We must play with the hand we are dealt, and his talking about our foreign policy over the last 50 years got us in this position, is probably right, but we can't repack Pandora's box. It is what it is, and we must fight the terrorists as I said, pre-emptively, aggressively, and relentlessly. A stance of shoulda, woulda, coulda done this or that over the last 50 years is useless and a waste to even type the words. But other than that, Ron Paul is a swell guy!

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #238 on: March 17, 2011, 12:22:26 PM »
No, the interest goes to the Federal Reserve.

Also, what issues do you disagree with Ron Paul about?


Well over 90% of the interest that goes to the Federal Reserve for the part of the debt it gets is paid back to the US Treasury.  I'll leave it to you to look it up.

Well, nevermind that, here's the 2009 audit report of the Federal Reserve.

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #239 on: March 17, 2011, 02:56:24 PM »
We shouldn't have an inheritance tax.That is money that has been allready taxed.Dad and mom bust their butts all their lives to give their children a better life and the government thinks they are entitled to half of it.There are many people that had to sell off part of their farms because they couldn't afford the inheritance tax.