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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2007, 09:37:16 AM »
Some people in America pay no income taxes. These contain both people of tremendous wealth and ordinary people. People of tremendous wealth can circumvent taxes by using lawyers, accountants to take advantage of the tax laws. Money is moved off shore and into tax shelters to facilitate this.

There is a group of people called the Tax Honesty movement who believe that income tax in the U.S.A. is an illegal tax. Their position is that the constitution prohibits an apportioned tax on labor and that the supreme Court has defined the 16th amendment in such a way that income does not mean a tax on labor, but a tax on corporate profits. They believe that there is no law which requires Americans to submit a 1040 and that the IRS is acting in an illegal manner enforcing its own code in violation of the constitution. Several people have got off because the government cannot show any law that requires they submit a 1040.

Aaron Russo who made the movie, Trading Places, died of cancer in August, but not before completing a movie called, America: Freedom to Fascism. It has many political and religious ramifications, especially with regard to Revelations and the idea of a national identity card and not being able to buy or sell without one. The video is available for viewing at: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15399.htm . Even if you disagree with it, it has lots of food for thought.

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2007, 11:59:38 AM »
I'd like to see the elimination of the federal income tax but to replace it with the value added tax (VAT) where every purchase would be taxed including food. In that way, each individual is taxed according to their purchasing power which is more difficult to hide than income. Staple groceries would be taxed, but lower than luxuries.

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2007, 06:12:55 PM »
The American dream is not a myth.  I am living it.  Rags to riches still happens in the USA the greatest nation on earth.

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2007, 06:19:15 PM »
When Bush's tax cuts went into effect I was making around 33,000 a year.  Not only did it lower my tax burden from 15% to 10% after deductions, it also resulted in a tax rebate check.  Overall I would say that this tax plan worked well for everyone who pays taxes.

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2007, 06:40:58 PM »
Every time taxes are cut over all revenue goes up.  (A point many mis or di not understand)  Bush has proved it, Regan proved it and that good republican John Kennedy proved it. (Oh wait a minute John was a Democrate)  Ted must have missed that economic class.

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2007, 09:20:39 PM »
I am not a CEO or any of those you spoke about.  But I can testify that the American dream is alive and well for those who want it work for and prepare themselves for it.  All those things you talked about are simply part of the capitalistic system that we live in.  Thank God we do not live in a socialist system yet.  That seems to be what you want.

If you believe rich people pay no taxes how do you explain the facts stated at the beginning of his thread that shows most taxes are paid by the top %5 of earners?

To quote Ken Hamblin (also known as the black avenger) "Pick a better country."

I have traveled to other countries. The 3d world counties are truly poor.  Our poorest are rich beyond measure compared to them.

There are over 175 other nations in the world if you don't like this one pick another and move there.  Later Johnb

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2008, 12:50:56 PM »
Villa said
To really be a true Christian you have to realize this.  On judgement day Jesus will point things out like this to you. You will say you didn't know these things were going on. Jesus will say yes you did, Villa told you!


Not really!  He did not care if one was a slave or master. (He did not condem slavery)  He told all to serve God in whatever their station in life.  He came to save those who are lost not preach a "social gospel".

In this country anyone who wants can get ahead.  If you don't like your circumstanses you can change them or wine about it.  The choice is yours.  Later Johnb

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2008, 03:48:03 PM »
Not saying He endorced it.  He just did not address it.  He told the slave to obey his master and the master to treat them fairly.  The important thing is that we serve Him.  The life of a Christian will wipe these things our for those in Christ.  In Christ there is not male or female or slave....   The point is rich or poor or in between one is to serve Christ regardless of their station in life.  If you want to be a bleeding heart liberal that has no clue about how a captalistic system works be my guest.  But don't try to say it is the willof God that we turn this great country into a socialist society.  Most folks make the bed they have to lay in.  Later Johnb

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2008, 04:34:27 PM »
Book chapter and verse please.

If we are to give all our money away why worry about who is paying taxes and who is not.  Regardless the top 5% pay most of the taxes.  What do you think would be fair?  Is it the job of the government to take all the money from the rich and give to the poor.  They will stop working then who will support the rest? 

The reason some rich hire tax lawyers is because it is cheaper than paying the 90% tax that was in effect when John Kennedy took office.  He understood that when it becomes more advantageos to pay taxes than lawyers they pay the taxes and the revenue goes up.  They invest more in their business and more folks get jobs.

Instead of whining about it being unfair for some to have more why don't you go get yourself a piece of the American dream.    After you have worked and risk every thing you have to make your first million see how you like the idea of giving most of it to those unwilling to work.  Later Johnb 

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2008, 06:56:14 AM »
Villa

When you shuck the corn down to the cob we are closer than it appears.  The truly poor pay no income taxing this country.  We have the best safety net of any country in the world.  We can always in prove on our system.  I am a flat sales tax man (with rebate for the base line living that way the truly poor continues to pay nothing and he who spends the most money pays the most tax)  Likewise our system and God have been good to me.  We support over 30 good causes plus the church we attend.  While our tax system has some flaws I do not believe it is unfair.  I have had a lot of rich men offer me jobs in my life but not one poor man.  I have also worked directly for some rich men including 1 billionare; they all have given to good causes in addition to their taxes.  I believe we as Christians have a responsibility to help those who are in need.  That being said I do not agree with the expandining entitlement programs.  I do not believe in a free society we ought to take from the rich to support every entitlement program that comes along.  That has led to the economic ruin of every nation who has attempted it and distroys the work ethic.  (he who does not work does not eat)  We are entitled to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  Not a full government retirement, universal health care , free or low cost housing and free ride for those who come here illegally.  Later Johnb 

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2008, 05:08:32 PM »
Amen.  This is the responsibility of Christians.  Later Johnb

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2008, 08:25:27 PM »
5 cents out of every dollar earned with no loopholes is a fair tax system. ::holdingupflag::

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2008, 05:25:31 PM »
5 cents out of every dollar earned with no loopholes is a fair tax system

Sounds fair to me but just to keep doing what we are doing now would mean many times that.  This is one of the reasons it is hard to get a flat tax off the ground.  They don't want you to know how much of your pay is going to taxes.  Count all the different taxes you pay now and you will discover it is over 50% of what you earm.  Later Johnb.

PS  Many don't know that for over 150 years we had no income tax.  When it was first pasted it was limited to 1 half of 1 percent.  Later Johnb

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2008, 10:42:11 PM »
   Christ said to give all your money to the poor.

The key word in that sentence is give.

Taxation is not giving, it is taking. Whatever money is taken from me through taxes is money I cannot give.

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Re: Who Pays Taxes in America?
« Reply #44 on: January 06, 2008, 06:46:56 AM »
Never
I ask Villa where Jesus gave a generic command for all Christians to give away all their money.  It does not exist.  Your are correct that having it taken by the government is not the same.  I personally resent been made to give up what I worked for for many who will not work.  When I find situations or causes I believe are in need I help.  Big difference.  Johnb