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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #180 on: January 30, 2012, 07:20:15 PM »
^yes TonkaTim

I don't equate the end of America with the end of the world the way some people do, but if someone doesn't do the kinds of things Ron Paul says he's going to do, you'd best brush up on your Chinese--you're going to need it when China repossesses the country.

You know what else I find absolutely appalling? Again, with all these believers trying to interpret end times, and predicting the dangers of a world government forming, and . . .

. . . oh look, they don't like the presidential candidate that's trying to prevent exactly that. Ron Paul has talked about those trying to make the value of the dollar plummet and call for a world currency.

If said believers are right about their predictions of end times, then how are they not responsible for making it come about?
THANK GOD There are Christians who get it!!!!!
My take is this. Just to amplify what you and TonkaTim are saying. We know the world will fall into a global government/financial hegonomy but we also know that it's not God's plan but Satan's plan instead. For us to take part in it is likke providing bricks for the Tower of Babal that God destroyed just like He will destroy the one world government when our Savior returns. What will I say that I voted for the lesser of two evils despite the fact that lesser evil was an engineer for the constrruction of our modern Tower of Babal in a system that will be responsible for the murder of untold end times Saints?
OK well, there are other prophesies as well. Women will give up their natural effection and burn in lust for one another. That lawlessness will increase and most people's love will wax cold. Should we do nothing but instead take part in those sins as well for lesser of two evils?

Yeah, I am soundly stumped. First it's "Oh no, world government!" But along comes Ron Paul and then it's "Oh no, isolationinst!"

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #181 on: January 30, 2012, 09:02:19 PM »
Or, he has alot of good views on most of the issues, but he is weird.  maybe a little creepy.

I'd much rather go with the "norm", I just can't support weird and creepy.







It's a well known fact that creepy looking guys make terrible presidents.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #182 on: February 02, 2012, 12:32:08 PM »
The more the media ignores him or misrepresents his postions the stronger my resolve is to vote for  NO ONE BUT PAUL
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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #183 on: February 02, 2012, 03:47:49 PM »
We all know no one IS better than Obama!  rofl
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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #184 on: February 03, 2012, 06:56:33 AM »
We all know no one IS better than Obama!  rofl

Well if we don't nominate Ron Paul we WILL get another four years of Obama. There is no doubt about it.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #185 on: February 03, 2012, 11:45:29 AM »
Oh yes there is major doubt. Any of the GOP candidates would be much better than Obama.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #186 on: February 03, 2012, 02:09:09 PM »
Better in what way? ALL of them except for Ron Paul are going to get us into more unnecessary wars, allow the Federal Reserve corporation to drive us and our children into the servitude of debt and the government will become more and more authoritarian until we can no longer claim to be a free country. If this country were a train which could only go wherever the tracks take it, with ALL of the other candidates it will be heading in the same direction. One world government, ,war, debt and loss of freedom. If there was a switchman to turn the train to another set of tracks back to the Constitution and the ruls of law then every Christian should support that candidate. There is more thn one or two issues that the media presents to the general population Abortion, terrorism blah blah blah. Christians should also be concerned about who sends us into wars and why. We shoulds be concerned about the freedom of choice that was given to us by our Father. We should be concerned about whether or not we're voting for people who are helping Satan to establish his one world government

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #187 on: February 03, 2012, 07:16:36 PM »
I say horse hockey because I couldn't say anything else to dissuade you. I respect your zeal, and I recommend you continue to support your candidate to the best of your ability in the primary then cast a vote in the general election that will count against Obama. 

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #188 on: February 04, 2012, 12:07:25 AM »
We all know no one IS better than Obama!  rofl

Well if we don't nominate Ron Paul we WILL get another four years of Obama. There is no doubt about it.
Very big overstatement on your part.  A lot of the problems with Obama can be seen in the other candidates but in many, many areas, the other candidates are much better suited to help the country go in the right direction.

Ron Paul has no chance of winning the GOP nomination.  Even if he did win the GOP nomination, he would have no chance of beating Obama. 

If two impossible things happened and he became president, he would never get any of his ideas passed in the senate or congress and he would not overstep his executive powers to overrule the other branches.  He would be a complete lame duck president. 

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #189 on: February 04, 2012, 02:17:44 AM »
This is one of the main reasons I support Ron Paul.  He stands up for his ideas.  He doesn't stick his finger in the air to determine whats "right".

Don't you want a leader who stands up for his principles even when they are not popular?

This is our country.  We the people.  And we won't get it back without a fight.  And we won't get it back with spineless leaders who don't want to look bad in the media.

We won't get it back with "bought and paid for politicians" like every single candidate except Ron Paul.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #190 on: February 04, 2012, 05:43:02 PM »
We all know no one IS better than Obama!  rofl

Well if we don't nominate Ron Paul we WILL get another four years of Obama. There is no doubt about it.
Very big overstatement on your part.  A lot of the problems with Obama can be seen in the other candidates but in many, many areas, the other candidates are much better suited to help the country go in the right direction.

Ron Paul has no chance of winning the GOP nomination.  Even if he did win the GOP nomination, he would have no chance of beating Obama.  

If two impossible things happened and he became president, he would never get any of his ideas passed in the senate or congress and he would not overstep his executive powers to overrule the other branches.  He would be a complete lame duck president.  

It's an accurate and well informed statement.

Ron Paul has more support from the largest demographic in the country, the independents than any other Republican and Obama as well.
He has the highest support of any Republican among non whites
He has more support from active military personnel than ALL the Republicans and Obama multiplied by two.
He has his own supporters who are not likely to cast a vote for one of the corporate controlled, war mongerer candidates. At the very least we're around 10% maybe more.
He would get back those anti war voters who got Obama elected and bring them back into the GOP
He has more support from Democrats than ANY other Republican
He has the highest support from ages 18-25 and from 25-30 of all the other Republicans

If Ron Paul isn't the nominee the other Republican won't get back those anti war votes especially if it's Rock Santorum who already has his finger on the trigger for yet another war.
They won'y get enough Independents to beat Obama
They won't inspire Democrats to come over to the GOP
The youth vote will stay with Obama.
The Ron Paul supporters won't sell out for one of the others who will just like Obama not audit the Federal Reserve corporation, keep us in a constant state of conflict, engage in unnecessary, undeclared wars of agression against countries that never attacked us or threatened us.
We also won't vote for those who like to give corporate welfare (ALL the others and Obama), bailouts and buy outs.
We won't vote for those authoritarians who will grow government in size, spending and intrusiveness into our lives supporting the TSA abuses, Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, NDAA and SOPA and who support all the extra-national trade agreements that have and continue to destroy our production base like IMF, WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA and SPP.

So when I say if we don't nominate Ron Paul we WILL get another 4 yrs of Obama I know what I am saying but if you get your information from the mainstream media you'll never believe me.
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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #191 on: February 05, 2012, 01:47:53 PM »
We all know no one IS better than Obama!  rofl

Well if we don't nominate Ron Paul we WILL get another four years of Obama. There is no doubt about it.
Very big overstatement on your part.  A lot of the problems with Obama can be seen in the other candidates but in many, many areas, the other candidates are much better suited to help the country go in the right direction.

Ron Paul has no chance of winning the GOP nomination.  Even if he did win the GOP nomination, he would have no chance of beating Obama. 

If two impossible things happened and he became president, he would never get any of his ideas passed in the senate or congress and he would not overstep his executive powers to overrule the other branches.  He would be a complete lame duck president. 

It's an accurate and well informed statement.

Ron Paul has more support from the largest demographic in the country, the independents than any other Republican and Obama as well.
He has the highest support of any Republican among non whites
He has more support from active military personnel than ALL the Republicans and Obama multiplied by two.
He has his own supporters who are not likely to cast a vote for one of the corporate controlled, war mongerer candidates. At the very least we're around 10% maybe more.
He would get back those anti war voters who got Obama elected and bring them back into the GOP
He has more support from Democrats than ANY other Republican
He has the highest support from ages 18-25 and from 25-30 of all the other Republicans

If Ron Paul isn't the nominee the other Republican won't get back those anti war votes especially if it's Rock Santorum who already has his finger on the trigger for yet another war.
They won'y get enough Independents to beat Obama
They won't inspire Democrats to come over to the GOP
The youth vote will stay with Obama.
The Ron Paul supporters won't sell out for one of the others who will just like Obama not audit the Federal Reserve corporation, keep us in a constant state of conflict, engage in unnecessary, undeclared wars of agression against countries that never attacked us or threatened us.
We also won't vote for those who like to give corporate welfare (ALL the others and Obama), bailouts and buy outs.
We won't vote for those authoritarians who will grow government in size, spending and intrusiveness into our lives supporting the TSA abuses, Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, NDAA and SOPA and who support all the extra-national trade agreements that have and continue to destroy our production base like IMF, WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA and SPP.

So when I say if we don't nominate Ron Paul we WILL get another 4 yrs of Obama I know what I am saying but if you get your information from the mainstream media you'll never believe me.
Ron Paul won't get enough republican turn out to beat Obama.  He also will not get anything he wants done passed by the house and senate if he were to take office.  Very few politicians hold the same view as Paul.  From a logical standpoint that is a strongpoint for Paul because his views are so refreshing and pure.  From a practical standpoint, nothing would ever get done. 

Paul supporters tend to think that everyone that does not support him, does not know his stances or are spoon fed by mainstream media.  Many, many people have done their homework and still do not believe he is the best candidate. 

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #192 on: February 06, 2012, 12:28:29 PM »

 Ommmm,  who do you think?!!

                 

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #193 on: February 06, 2012, 03:59:08 PM »
Oh yes there is major doubt. Any of the GOP candidates would be much better than Obama.


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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #194 on: February 08, 2012, 03:19:09 PM »
We all know no one IS better than Obama!  rofl

Well if we don't nominate Ron Paul we WILL get another four years of Obama. There is no doubt about it.
Very big overstatement on your part.  A lot of the problems with Obama can be seen in the other candidates but in many, many areas, the other candidates are much better suited to help the country go in the right direction.

Ron Paul has no chance of winning the GOP nomination.  Even if he did win the GOP nomination, he would have no chance of beating Obama. 

If two impossible things happened and he became president, he would never get any of his ideas passed in the senate or congress and he would not overstep his executive powers to overrule the other branches.  He would be a complete lame duck president. 

It's an accurate and well informed statement.

Ron Paul has more support from the largest demographic in the country, the independents than any other Republican and Obama as well.
He has the highest support of any Republican among non whites
He has more support from active military personnel than ALL the Republicans and Obama multiplied by two.
He has his own supporters who are not likely to cast a vote for one of the corporate controlled, war mongerer candidates. At the very least we're around 10% maybe more.
He would get back those anti war voters who got Obama elected and bring them back into the GOP
He has more support from Democrats than ANY other Republican
He has the highest support from ages 18-25 and from 25-30 of all the other Republicans

If Ron Paul isn't the nominee the other Republican won't get back those anti war votes especially if it's Rock Santorum who already has his finger on the trigger for yet another war.
They won'y get enough Independents to beat Obama
They won't inspire Democrats to come over to the GOP
The youth vote will stay with Obama.
The Ron Paul supporters won't sell out for one of the others who will just like Obama not audit the Federal Reserve corporation, keep us in a constant state of conflict, engage in unnecessary, undeclared wars of agression against countries that never attacked us or threatened us.
We also won't vote for those who like to give corporate welfare (ALL the others and Obama), bailouts and buy outs.
We won't vote for those authoritarians who will grow government in size, spending and intrusiveness into our lives supporting the TSA abuses, Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, NDAA and SOPA and who support all the extra-national trade agreements that have and continue to destroy our production base like IMF, WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA and SPP.

So when I say if we don't nominate Ron Paul we WILL get another 4 yrs of Obama I know what I am saying but if you get your information from the mainstream media you'll never believe me.
Ron Paul won't get enough republican turn out to beat Obama.  He also will not get anything he wants done passed by the house and senate if he were to take office.  Very few politicians hold the same view as Paul.  From a logical standpoint that is a strongpoint for Paul because his views are so refreshing and pure.  From a practical standpoint, nothing would ever get done. 

Paul supporters tend to think that everyone that does not support him, does not know his stances or are spoon fed by mainstream media.  Many, many people have done their homework and still do not believe he is the best candidate. 

First of all, pundits, politicians and so called "experts" have been telling us who is the most electable for this entire season and they have ALL been wrong so far. Most of that notion is mainstream media driven anyway and they can't be trusted AT ALL.
Second, according to FACT Ron Paul actually has THE best chance to beat Obama out of ANY of the other GOP hopefulls. Why? Well for starters it was the anti war voters that got Obama elected in the first place along with a majority of Independents. Many to most of them are now very disappointed and are supporting Ron Paul and would support Ron Paul over Obama. The other Republicans stand little to no chance of getting those anti war voters back, especially since they all seem to have their finger on the trigger for yet another war.
Also, out of all the other Republicans, Ron Paul has more support from Independents than ALL of them and most of those would prefer Obama over any of the other Republicans. Have you seen any of the head to head polls? Romney is just one or two points ahead of Ron Paul against Obama with Gingrich and Santorum way behind.

If Ron Paul got elected the first thing he would do would be to repeal all of the unconstitutional executive orders that previous presidents used to circumvent Congress. If he only did that it would accomplich much. But if we were to get Ron Paul elected it would send the clearest message since our Revolution to politicians that we're serious about reducing the size, scope and spending of the Federal Govt and to stop the globe trotting that the progressives started us on under Wilson and FDR and now the neoconservatives like Romney, Santorum and Gingrich. It would also send a message that we're serious about preserving our freedoms and getting back those that have been taken by an over reaching government and the other polticians would be terrified that we'll un-elect them if they don't also start to uphold their oath to protect and preserve the Constitution. The Tea Party Movement was born out of Ron Paul's campaign in 07 and we've seen the impact all across this country. Of course it has lost a lot of it's appeal since it was hijacked by the neoconservative/progressives but the core of us are still around and very active and the establishment crooked war mongerer, corporate controlled freedom robbers KNOW we're hear and THAT my brother is why the corporate media either ignores Ron Paul or marginalizes him at every chance they can.
Ron Paul has authored Bills to get us out of the UN, to repeal the 16th Amendment and the IRS, to extract us from international trade agreements that both subvert the free market and destroy our production base and our national sovereignty. He has authored Bills that would end abortion on demand without having to wait 100 years for us to nominate enough SC justices to over turn Roe V Wade. He has predicted the economic collapse YEARS before it happened and has the ONLY right solution to restore our economy.
I can't think of another politician who a Christian should vote for.

I for one never implied that you haven't done any research. If you have looked into it and agree that we should remain on a fiat currency ssytem that has driven us into debt, I strongly disagree with you. If you agree with Woodrow Wilson "use the US military to make the world safe for democracy" instead of George Washington "I have always held that no country has a right to inter-meddle in the affairs of another country and if we can maintain a strict neutrality we can preserve peace" and "peace, commerce and friendly relations with all, entangling alliances with none" then I disagree with you and Woodrow Wilson. If you don't have a problem with TSA agents strip searching 84 year old ladies and putting their hands down the pants of little 6 year old girls "to keep us safe" then I disagree with you on that too. If you agree with just any to most of the policies of the progressives instead of the founding fathers then I probably disagree with you on that too because this country has gotten so far of it's path that we're barely recognizable to the founders or the Constitution that they drafted and most of the distortions came at the hands of progressives from both the major marties.