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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #140 on: Tue Jan 17, 2012 - 09:47:23 »
A gold standard is communistic because it is, in reality, government price control of a product produced by gold miners.  

The ability to turn gold into coin is a price control? Really?

No.  I haven't said that and know of no one who said that it was.
 
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You believe paper currency is real money.

More importantly, so do the people I buy goods and services from.  You do, too, unless I have proof that you, say, just burn the paper currency you are given or if I had video proof of you finding a $20 bill and tossing it in the garbage.

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Only a tangible commodity like gold is real money.

It can be.  Money is what money does.  It is what ever functions as a unit of account, medium of exchange or a store of value.  


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With the gold standard, 1 oz. of gold is 1 oz. of gold.

While societies can, at most, cling to the myth of having the gold standard, our country does not.  And an ounce of gold is still an ounce of gold.  

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The miners can literally dig money out of the ground. There is no price control. The purchasing power of the gold is set by the free market & not by the government.

Well, they aren't digging money out of the ground, they are digging gold.  The rest of what you said in this quoted section is correct.

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In Article 1 section 8 This power is given to Congress:To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

The bolded part, that's a price control.  Gold is gold.  Money is money.  The market determines the value of everything, even if a governing document instructs the government to regulate a value.  It can't.

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regulate the Value thereof - the value of what? oh that's right, coined money.

Hench the price control.

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What does that mean? Put a number on it. No matter the number on the coin, the purchasing power of 1 oz. of gold is still 1oz of gold. No price controls here, that's still free market principle.

Ok, you're confused about what a gold standard is and basically spent the rest of the time saying that God is the author of confusion.

It certainly appears that you are doggedly committed to your pursuit of ignorance  and I will leave you to it.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #141 on: Thu Jan 26, 2012 - 11:51:39 »
I don't care about their power, but I do think Ron Paul is completely wrong on Iran. I don't like war any better than anyone else. I remember the first time In the debates that Ron Paul spoke about his view about Iran, my wife and I turned to each other and simultaneously mouthed the words, "he's a freakin'nut!"

Because he said that he fully understand why Iran would want to develop a nuclear weapon you think he's nuts? Have you really given it ANY thought or do you just follow along with the war mongerers? Are you at all familiar with the Christian Just War Principles that our founding fathers and Ron Paul and most Americans until the progressives took over our forreign policy adhered to? That the ONLY just war is a war of self defense?

Did you hear from Ron Paul "I don't care if Iran gets a nuke" or something or did you hear "No wonder they want a nuke"?

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« Reply #141 on: Thu Jan 26, 2012 - 11:51:39 »

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #142 on: Thu Jan 26, 2012 - 12:13:13 »
The problem is they have vowed to wipe Israel off the map. They are not looking for respect.
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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #143 on: Thu Jan 26, 2012 - 12:51:18 »
The problem is they have void to wipe Israel off the map. They are not looking for respect.

I don't understand "they have void to wipe Israel off the map". Please explain that

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« Reply #143 on: Thu Jan 26, 2012 - 12:51:18 »
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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #144 on: Thu Jan 26, 2012 - 15:27:03 »
Beware of Mere Nick.  As a minion of Beezlebush, he has access to the Risian Hurricane Generator.

That's right.  I hope to be promoted from minion to henchman one day.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #145 on: Thu Jan 26, 2012 - 15:45:30 »
The problem is they have void to wipe Israel off the map. They are not looking for respect.

I don't understand "they have void to wipe Israel off the map". Please explain that

I meant vowed. Sorry.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #146 on: Thu Jan 26, 2012 - 16:28:47 »
The problem is they have void to wipe Israel off the map. They are not looking for respect.

I don't understand "they have void to wipe Israel off the map". Please explain that

I meant vowed. Sorry.

OK so where is your faith in the Most High God? Where is your faith that the bible is true? I will assume that you do know your bible concering Israel.
We know from scripture that the Jews will be scattered through the world for a period of time and then they will come back into their own country, which has happened already. We also know that once they come back into their own country they will NEVER AGAIN be destroyed.

We know from our bible that God and God alone is the protector of Israel.

We know from scripture that to apply to anyone or anything the attributes of the Lord is blasphemy. So if God is the protector of Israel how does that make the United States her protector? Isn't it a form of blasphemy and unbelief to say or even imply that Israel would be destroyed without the United States?

Do you really think that Iran can destroy the country that our own bible says will be there until Christ returns?

In light of all this don't you think that the new style conservatives are pretty arrogant to say that they won't allow Israel to be destroyed?

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« Reply #147 on: Thu Jan 26, 2012 - 16:52:12 »
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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #148 on: Thu Jan 26, 2012 - 19:09:33 »
I don't think Iran would be successful in their attack and I do believe they will try. Israel's retaliation will be the regional and worldwide problem. And yes I know my Israel stuff, so don't condescend to me.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #149 on: Thu Jan 26, 2012 - 20:24:38 »
I don't think Iran would be successful in their attack and I do believe they will try. Israel's retaliation will be the regional and worldwide problem. And yes I know my Israel stuff, so don't condescend to me.

Woah! No one condescended you and I totally regret that you think I was condescending toward you! My problem is with politicians  and Christian leaders who attempt to cater to Christians based on a false premise that Israel would be destroyed without them.

You may think Iran would try to attack Israel but I think they would be stupid to do so and they aren't stupid.

I was thinking by your reply that Iran vowed to destroy Israel that you thought they could or. that the USA could save Israel.

So I ask you, do you agree with the scripture that only the Lord protects Israel and not the United States? Do you agree that to say so is blasphemy or do you buy into the narrative that we are the protector of Israel and it's us the USA who prevents that destruction?

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #150 on: Thu Jan 26, 2012 - 20:47:35 »
Israel doesn't need us to protect them. Think Israel's retaliation. THAT's the problem. And yes, iran IS that dumb. They think they can conjure up their Messiah, the Madhi with a major catastrophe. Their suicidal martyrdom theology is the problem especially coupled with their promises to wipe Israel off the map. Again, it's not that we will be drawn in to protect Israel, it will be regional chaos threatening oil supplies.
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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #151 on: Fri Jan 27, 2012 - 15:38:05 »
Israel doesn't need us to protect them. Think Israel's retaliation. THAT's the problem. And yes, iran IS that dumb. They think they can conjure up their Messiah, the Madhi with a major catastrophe. Their suicidal martyrdom theology is the problem especially coupled with their promises to wipe Israel off the map. Again, it's not that we will be drawn in to protect Israel, it will be regional chaos threatening oil supplies.

Does that mean you support a military involvement in that region to protect oil?

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #152 on: Fri Jan 27, 2012 - 19:43:59 »
Without an energy policy, We would have no choice with oil being the world's life blood. That is if we have any affinity for our standard of living. Any major chaos in the middle east will morph inti a world conflict. Israel's retaliation will enflame the entire world.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #153 on: Sat Jan 28, 2012 - 01:34:02 »
Without an energy policy, We would have no choice with oil being the world's life blood. That is if we have any affinity for our standard of living. Any major chaos in the middle east will morph inti a world conflict. Israel's retaliation will enflame the entire world.

But how does that comport with the Christian Just War Principles?

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #155 on: Sat Jan 28, 2012 - 13:27:26 »
Captain, I believe in protecting our national interest just like I believe in using deadly force on an intruder in my house, if necessaryi don't look for trouble, and I don't believe we as a nation does either. Pineapple supplies are one thing, oil is quite another.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #156 on: Sat Jan 28, 2012 - 14:46:34 »
Have you considered that fighting wars for oil goes against what Christ would advocate? Also considering that since everyone knows our military involvement in oil producing countries is paid for by taxpayers but is not calculated into the final cost at the pump and if we did, those hidden costs would be somewhere between $7.00-$8.00 per gallon? If that were seen our response as a nation and as individuals would be to reduce our consumption and increase our supply from more friendly nations as well as domestically. In other words, our military involvement is actually prolonging our dependence on the oil from unfriendly nations. I don't think our sons should die or kill for that. I don't think think the Lord would want us killing and dying for that either.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #157 on: Sat Jan 28, 2012 - 16:55:16 »
No the 30 plus year refusal to have an energy policy is prolonging our dependence on hostile countries. We shouldn't have to fight wars to ensure oil flows, but short sighted pilicies for decades have fostered it. Yes relatively cheap oil to fuel our economy is not all that cheap when our government refuses to do what needs to be done for us to be energy independent.
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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #158 on: Sat Jan 28, 2012 - 17:17:23 »
The Grace-Centered GOP Nomination Poll.

Please vote only if you will be voting in the GOP primary, assuming it isn't over by the time it reaches your state.

This will be a dynamic poll meaning that, unlike many other polls on this site and on the net, you can change your vote if you change your mind. And that's what you should do so that we can see how we compare to the nomination results and other polls. It will also make for interesting discussion to talk about shifts and "surges" as they happen.


I've decided to go with Romney (if it's still relevant as things get to California).


POSITIVE:   He's impressed me in the MANY debates (nearly all of which I've watched).  I've seen several suddenly rise - and then quickly fall as the "real" candidate became know; Romney has been pretty solid.  I really like that she has proven himself a solid leader and able to turn things around.  He's the only one running who has ever been an executive - in his case, both in business and in government.  I realize he's a bit timid at times - but that's not all bad; it can be good to listen, evaluate, think - before acting.  And he's not the "idea" man the now remaining men are - but that's not altogether bad, either.   I care a lot about boarder issues, and he's the strongest on that issue.

NEGATIVE:  While he now SPEAKS solidly pro-life and that he's been "converted" - but that's not his record.  Now - I have to say, Ronald Reagan was THE most pro-death governor in American history, "saw the light" AFTER serving two terms as California's governor and was a very pro-life president.  Both Bush's also were pro-death but "saw the light" and converted.  He also is still defending Mass. health care thing.   I'm not SURE I entirely disagree with him, but he won't have a leg to stand on against Obama on that issue. 



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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #159 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 11:04:09 »
No the 30 plus year refusal to have an energy policy is prolonging our dependence on hostile countries. We shouldn't have to fight wars to ensure oil flows, but short sighted pilicies for decades have fostered it. Yes relatively cheap oil to fuel our economy is not all that cheap when our government refuses to do what needs to be done for us to be energy independent.

"Energy policy"? THe "energy policy" that the leaders of this country have ALL engaged in is sending our sons and daughters to spill their's and other's blood for oil in hostile countries. There is NOTHING ANYWHERE in our Constitution that allows the federal govt to get involved in a market like oil. If you advocate taking human life for oil then maybe we should start to measure the effieciancy of automobiles not just in MPG but in terms of drops of blood per gallon or bombs per mile.
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We NEED to uphold the Constitution then Congress wouldn't be able to send us into war without a declaration of war by Congress. We also need to return to the original foreign policy of our founding fathers based in the Christian Just War Principles especially when we send CHristian young people to kill and die in a fallen world system that is ruled as our bible says, by the powers and principalities of the air until the fullness of the Gentiles is complete. God gave us all the right of self defense but I can't find anywhere in my bible that give me the right to kill a person in another country that has never attacked us or threatened us because a commodity that makes my life easier is threatened.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #160 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 18:06:32 »
Hey, i don't disagree. The lack of an energy policy has held us hostage to fighting these wars. The wars are unnecessary, but an energy policy must be had. We get all uptight when oil is a little expensive and drop our guard completely when oil is cheap. We need policies to encourage the exploration of our own resources by our own companies. We get all bent out of shape when an oil company makes 10 or 12 percent profit though it does involve billions. Oil companies are not the problem, they are the solution not the demonized enties they hace been made out to be.

Again, fighting a war over oil is not only stupid, it is stupid and highly unnecessary without a sensible energy policy. But war is virtually unavoidable without it.
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« Reply #161 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 18:09:18 »
There's no place for a "write in" candidate, which, based on the primary season so far, I would not discount happening.......

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« Reply #162 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 18:24:08 »
I am prior military and a born again Christian.  YOU CANT WAR AGAINST AN ACT. War on double dipping, war on not covering your mouth when you cough, war on porn, war on potty mouth. These are all things people do. So is terrorism. RON PAUL IS SUPPORTED BY OUR NATIONS MILITARY!!! He has more contributions from military members than ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES COMBINED and more than OBAMA. People walk around saying "I support the military," but do they. Do they care what the military wants? BECAUSE THEY WANT TO  COME HOME!!! We are fighting a faceless enemy. They have no uniform, they have no flag, and they look just like the people we are protecting. Declaring war without congress voting is unconstitutional. Now... lets get to the Israel issue. Israel's prime minister has spoken to congress and said they dont need our support. God has Israel's back, is God not big enough to take care of Israel? When I was in the military and spoke to two Israeli jet fighters they both said that the US help is appreciated but really unnecessary and they would rather us out of their business. Ron Paul has stated that he will support Israel by pulling out our aid to all of the Arab countries and leaving Israel to defend themselves like they have requested.

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« Reply #163 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 18:33:05 »
I think there is some confusion here.  I believe that Obama has an energy policy-unspoken but no less real.  His policy is to get the price of oil up as much as possible without taking the blame for it happening.  I believe he sees that as the way to drive the country toward  "renewable" energy.  He has shown a willingness to dump millions and billions into renewables.  I little slight of hand with the fossil fuel energy players is certainly right down his alley.  He is making it more and more difficult on the coal industry.  He has all but killed nuclear and domestic oil increases.  He is making it harder and harder on the shale and other alternative oil supplies.  He has increased the cost of everything with the increased cost of fuel.

He is a financial disaster for this country any way you look at it.

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« Reply #164 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 18:35:16 »
I think there is some confusion here.  I believe that Obama has an energy policy-unspoken but no less real.  His policy is to get the price of oil up as much as possible without taking the blame for it happening.  I believe he sees that as the way to drive the country toward  "renewable" energy.  He has shown a willingness to dump millions and billions into renewables.  I little slight of hand with the fossil fuel energy players is certainly right down his alley.  He is making it more and more difficult on the coal industry.  He has all but killed nuclear and domestic oil increases.  He is making it harder and harder on the shale and other alternative oil supplies.  He has increased the cost of everything with the increased cost of fuel.

He is a financial disaster for this country any way you look at it.


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« Reply #165 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 18:39:26 »
I am prior military and a born again Christian.  YOU CANT WAR AGAINST AN ACT. War on double dipping, war on not covering your mouth when you cough, war on porn, war on potty mouth. These are all things people do. So is terrorism. RON PAUL IS SUPPORTED BY OUR NATIONS MILITARY!!! He has more contributions from military members than ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES COMBINED and more than OBAMA. People walk around saying "I support the military," but do they. Do they care what the military wants? BECAUSE THEY WANT TO  COME HOME!!! We are fighting a faceless enemy. They have no uniform, they have no flag, and they look just like the people we are protecting. Declaring war without congress voting is unconstitutional. Now... lets get to the Israel issue. Israel's prime minister has spoken to congress and said they dont need our support. God has Israel's back, is God not big enough to take care of Israel? When I was in the military and spoke to two Israeli jet fighters they both said that the US help is appreciated but really unnecessary and they would rather us out of their business. Ron Paul has stated that he will support Israel by pulling out our aid to all of the Arab countries and leaving Israel to defend themselves like they have requested.


The general principal of that Isralie thingy works for me  ::smile::, however, just to understand, doesn't our "aid" to those Arab countries act as a "bribe" for them not going to war with Israel?  So, if we withdraw it, which would be fine with me, would we be removing a motivation for remaining peaceful and opening up the possibility of war?


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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #166 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 18:45:46 »
I have said many times that Israel does not need our help, but Israel's retaliation of any Iranian aggression will draw in the world. Since of course the entire world despises Israel. Again, please hear me, Israel doesn't need our help, but the region and the world MIGHT.

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« Reply #167 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 20:56:32 »
The free market will set us free from our dependence on foreign oil. If some pan-arab maniac tries to take over the more friendly oil countries in that region and raise the prices to the West or cut off supply then it would serve the purpose of causing enough pain to serve as the necessity to inspire us to seek more friendly sources, drill our own supplies ir invent new sources or means of transportation. After all, this is the United States of America. We invented just about every major thing that made the lives of billions of people better and easier and more prosporous and free. We invented the automobile, the airplane, the VCR, split the atom, cloned sheep and out a man on the moon over 40 years ago. There is no one who will convince this patriot that without arab oil we'll revert back to the horse and buggy or that we will lose our freedom, our way of life or whatever. It may cause us some temporary pain until we adjust but we'll come through better in the end and without spilling a single drop of blood.

Besides. This meddling interventionist foreign policy does not comport with what Jesus would have us do.

A country cannot do what an invididual cannot do. If there is a neighbor threatening me and my family with molotoff cottails and telling all the other neighbors that he's going to kill my entire family in their sleep and I take it upon myself to go over to his house first and set it on fire killing him and a few of his family members I will be tried and convicted of murder. Likewise when our country goes into another country and starts to kill people, we're just as bad especially when they never atacked us or threatened us.

Christians. We need to be really careful who we beleive especially when it comes to taking another human's life.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #168 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 21:25:08 »
The free market could set us free with a free market President not afraid to do no brainers like the Keystone pipeline. Yes WE CAN DO IT, but we have to get Mr. Socialism OUT. And that means by voting for the only human on the planet who has a chance to defeat him. That is why voting for the only person who can defeat Obama, the GOP nominee is so important with our present system. If we want another system, change it before the election cycle of 2016. With the present system, it's either the Dem or the GOP nominee that will be President. Your protest vote of staying home or voting 3rd party will impact one of those two. I hate it, but it's the way it is. I am the furtherst thing from a card carrying Republican. I am 100% anti-Democrat.

Transition off of oil is vital, but will take a few decades. Relatively cheap oil makes the world go around. No one here is challenging America's know how or will or exceptionalism, especially not me. I am every bit as much of a patriot as you are. Our country and our military have done valiant things for this country. I have a son-in-law that served in Iraqi freedom and he believes he served his country in an essential manner and I agree. We probably made some mistakes after 911, but if I were President and sworn to protect the citizens of this country after watching the events of 911, I don't think I would have done too much different than George W. Bush did. And I think I can call on the name of Jesus every bit as much as you. We are not an evil country for trying to do everything we could to protect our citizents. We can't wait until a terrorist strikes and then respond. This isn't conventional war as we have known for 200 years.

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« Reply #169 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 21:51:16 »
The only way we can move to a true free market is rescind our membership in the World Trade Organization. the WTO is the global regulating body consisting of unelected foreign officials ruling from Geneva Switzerland. The WTO has more power over our trade than Congress.

Newt Gingrich & Rick Santorum championed, promoted & voted for it in 1994. Romney stated in 2008 he wants to conclude the stalled DOHA negotiations which will expand WTO authority even further.

Until this major problem is fixed our economy will forever be at the mercy of foreign interests. There is only one man in the race who is willing to to rescind this collectivist boondoggle - Ron Paul.
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« Reply #170 on: Mon Jan 30, 2012 - 01:27:26 »
^yes TonkaTim

I don't equate the end of America with the end of the world the way some people do, but if someone doesn't do the kinds of things Ron Paul says he's going to do, you'd best brush up on your Chinese--you're going to need it when China repossesses the country.

You know what else I find absolutely appalling? Again, with all these believers trying to interpret end times, and predicting the dangers of a world government forming, and . . .

. . . oh look, they don't like the presidential candidate that's trying to prevent exactly that. Ron Paul has talked about those trying to make the value of the dollar plummet and call for a world currency.

If said believers are right about their predictions of end times, then how are they not responsible for making it come about?

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #171 on: Mon Jan 30, 2012 - 10:55:45 »
Why in the world would you want to vote for Obama if you can't have a certain GOP candidate?  I guess you want more of the same. ::doh::

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #172 on: Mon Jan 30, 2012 - 11:00:31 »
^yes TonkaTim

I don't equate the end of America with the end of the world the way some people do, but if someone doesn't do the kinds of things Ron Paul says he's going to do, you'd best brush up on your Chinese--you're going to need it when China repossesses the country.

You know what else I find absolutely appalling? Again, with all these believers trying to interpret end times, and predicting the dangers of a world government forming, and . . .

. . . oh look, they don't like the presidential candidate that's trying to prevent exactly that. Ron Paul has talked about those trying to make the value of the dollar plummet and call for a world currency.

If said believers are right about their predictions of end times, then how are they not responsible for making it come about?
THANK GOD There are Christians who get it!!!!!
My take is this. Just to amplify what you and TonkaTim are saying. We know the world will fall into a global government/financial hegonomy but we also know that it's not God's plan but Satan's plan instead. For us to take part in it is likke providing bricks for the Tower of Babal that God destroyed just like He will destroy the one world government when our Savior returns. What will I say that I voted for the lesser of two evils despite the fact that lesser evil was an engineer for the constrruction of our modern Tower of Babal in a system that will be responsible for the murder of untold end times Saints?
OK well, there are other prophesies as well. Women will give up their natural effection and burn in lust for one another. That lawlessness will increase and most people's love will wax cold. Should we do nothing but instead take part in those sins as well for lesser of two evils?
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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #173 on: Mon Jan 30, 2012 - 11:37:37 »
The free market could set us free with a free market President not afraid to do no brainers like the Keystone pipeline. Yes WE CAN DO IT, but we have to get Mr. Socialism OUT. And that means by voting for the only human on the planet who has a chance to defeat him. That is why voting for the only person who can defeat Obama, the GOP nominee is so important with our present system. If we want another system, change it before the election cycle of 2016. With the present system, it's either the Dem or the GOP nominee that will be President. Your protest vote of staying home or voting 3rd party will impact one of those two. I hate it, but it's the way it is. I am the furtherst thing from a card carrying Republican. I am 100% anti-Democrat.

Transition off of oil is vital, but will take a few decades. Relatively cheap oil makes the world go around. No one here is challenging America's know how or will or exceptionalism, especially not me. I am every bit as much of a patriot as you are. Our country and our military have done valiant things for this country. I have a son-in-law that served in Iraqi freedom and he believes he served his country in an essential manner and I agree. We probably made some mistakes after 911, but if I were President and sworn to protect the citizens of this country after watching the events of 911, I don't think I would have done too much different than George W. Bush did. And I think I can call on the name of Jesus every bit as much as you. We are not an evil country for trying to do everything we could to protect our citizents. We can't wait until a terrorist strikes and then respond. This isn't conventional war as we have known for 200 years.



Sorry Bro, but voting according to what other people say means absolutely nothing to me. Especially when their criteria is the presumption that they have a better chance to win than the person I agree with on more issues. I control a single vote. My own and by God I will NOT vote for someone whom I disagree with on a host of issues or who I perceive is working toward the New World Order just to beat another candidate who is doing the same exact thing. I do know this. Rick Santorum, Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich are more like Obama in so many areas that I feel strongly opposed to especially relative to free market capitalism and foreign policy that, despite what the media's conveyed perception of who "can win" it won't matter if we elect any one of them. They ALL will continue to use our military to police the world, engage in unnecessary wars of agression while subverting the free market relative to oil. They WILL ALL keep us in every single extra-national trade agreement that has destroyed our production base, subverted our free market and erroded our sovereignty as a nation whether the IMF, the WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA, or the SPP.
They WILL ALL Keep us in the United Nations which was set up specifically to some day become a one world government. In good conscience knowing that I will face my Lord some day about my actions I don't want to have to explain why I chose to vote for a Satanic plan what killed my own brethern. ONLY Ron Paul has actually authored Bills to get us out of that Satanic organization
Obama is certainly anti free market but so are Santorum, Gingrich and Romney. They ALL support the Federal Reserve being in charge of the money supply for this entire country and as long as there is a Federal Reserve there is no such thing as free market capitalism.
Obama, Gingrich, Santorum and Romney ALL like to give corporate welfare whether they call it "I will make investments" or "I will provide incentives" because it ALWAYS comes in the form of a redistribution of wealth from every working person to the recipient via a R&D grant, a tax credit, a subsidy or a no bid contract. Those artificial government support mechanisms also subvert the free market.

"Transition off of oil is vital, but will take a few decades. Relatively cheap oil makes the world go around. No one here is challenging America's know how or will or exceptionalism, especially not me."

Transition off of oil is not vital. It's certainly not so vital that we should commit murder to keep it cheap. Also, we have no idea how long anything would take because we're not soothsayers. For all we know some American inventer already has that new form of transportation or that new fuel or that new fuel additive that will set us free. That isn't the issue. There is no oil shortage anywhere and we have pleny here for any sort of transition if a transition is called for. The issue is that instead of trading we use our sons and daughters and taxpayer money to procure oil in hostile nations which again, subverts the free market. Merchantilism is not free market capitalism any more than socialism is because they are both more government just like the international trade agreements are simply more government.
If this country encounters shortages in one form of energy we will either find new sources of that type of energy or we will adjust to another form of energy. Oil and energy are not necessarily synonymous. We need to allow the market to find it's own energy source and it will if we allow it and have faith in the things this country was founded on.
Again, necessity is the mother of all invention and our military involvement is prolonging that inevitable necessity that will lead to a true and lasting transition to whatever long term energy soures that we will use in the future.

"We probably made some mistakes after 911, but if I were President and sworn to protect the citizens of this country after watching the events of 911, I don't think I would have done too much different than George W. Bush did. And I think I can call on the name of Jesus every bit as much as you. We are not an evil country for trying to do everything we could to protect our citizents. We can't wait until a terrorist strikes and then respond. This isn't conventional war as we have known for 200 years."

George W Bush along with our Congress sent us into a war to enforce UN resolutions and without a declaration of war as per Article I section 8 clause 11 of our Constitution. The founding fathers are rolling over in their graves at such "doing the right things". I don't know what you mean by "I think I can call on the name of Jesus every bit as much as you"  is supposed to mean. I for one never accused  you of not having access  to my Savior or lacking in faith. But that being said we do have both a bible and a Constitution that the war in Iraq violated. No doubt our country like every individual in the world and every creature that God ever made has a legitimate for of self defense. So if there was a a threat coming from Iraq then Congress sohlud have declared war with or without the Unied Nations and gone in a mitigated that threat but to kill and die to enforce the laws of a Satanic one world orginization in my opinion runs counter to both the Holy scriptures and the Constitution of the United States.
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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #174 on: Mon Jan 30, 2012 - 12:09:46 »
Seems that Ron Paul was right again about Iran like he was with Iraq.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/01/09/panetta-admits-iran-not-developing-nukes/

 

     
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