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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #240 on: February 16, 2012, 09:04:37 AM »
We are not deceived he has not won anything and we don't want to vote for him because of his positions not what the media has to say.


Sorry Bro but you have been deceived.





Those are just two cases. Maine is another where Ron Paul won but it was stolen. Nevada is another. Let's face it. The establishment doesn't want Ron Paul because he exposes them for what they are. Freedom robbers, debt mongers and war mongers.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #241 on: February 16, 2012, 09:50:20 AM »
If the Ron Paul supporters I've read on here are any indication Paul actually has a very poor understanding of economics.
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Suffering for your beliefs is called faithfulness, making others suffer for your beliefs is called being a jerk.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #242 on: February 16, 2012, 10:08:30 AM »
If the Ron Paul supporters I've read on here are any indication Paul actually has a very poor understanding of economics.


Thats just silly. The trouble is, every time one of you guys says something one of us crazy Ron Paul supporters reply with proof but you never do. You just blurt out inaccurate statements hoping that some one will believe you and the media where you get your information from.

If Ron Paul has a bad understanding of economics then how in the world could he do this?







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« Reply #243 on: February 16, 2012, 01:04:56 PM »
If the Ron Paul supporters I've read on here are any indication Paul actually has a very poor understanding of economics.

Thats just silly.

No, it isn't.  The Fed is audited every year.  That's a fact.  A gold standard is logically impossible.  That's a fact.   

 
taller, better looking and smarter . . .

They turned me loose from the nervous hospital.  Said I was well.  Mmm hmm.

Suffering for your beliefs is called faithfulness, making others suffer for your beliefs is called being a jerk.

His cross, like the ark in the wilderness, is the center around which his people are to encamp; so that they cannot separate into factions, or withdraw from each other, without retiring at the same time from the presence of the cross.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #244 on: February 16, 2012, 01:50:20 PM »
If the Ron Paul supporters I've read on here are any indication Paul actually has a very poor understanding of economics.


Thats just silly.


No, it isn't.  The Fed is audited every year.  That's a fact.  A gold standard is logically impossible.  That's a fact.  

 

Last coment first. The Fed is NOT audited "every year". FACT. There has only been One 1, Uno semi audit of the Fed and it revealed $$TRILLIONS of dollars transfered to foreign banks and corporations that our Congress had no idea about.

FACT Ron Paul predicted the economic collapse YEARS before it happened as it showed in one of the videos in my previous post.

FACT the fiat currency system that you advocate has FAILED and quite miserablly at that! ::eek:: We're now over $15 TRILLION in debt now (with no end in sight)  ::lookaround::which is more than $46,000 for EVERY man woman and child in this country and because of the interest being charged in your beautiful system on money that the Fed created out of thin air, every new born baby is automatically $46,000 in debt from the minute they are born.
I trust Ron Paul over ANY other candidate to stop this maddness.
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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #245 on: February 16, 2012, 05:04:28 PM »
The neo-conservative complacency around here hearkens back to the Bush era, doesn't it?

They didn't show much of any concern for the spending of a president who racked up trillions in debt for the country that so many see as indestructible. Bush was even talking about a mission to Mars, for heaven's sake!

Here we are again, already suffering because of this attitude, and still, some people don't want to learn. This country needs to humble itself and quit thinking that it can do anything it wants.
I am in need of being reminded of things that God has already taught me.

Trust me--I'm not like most people. 90% of the time, I'm straight-faced and it really isn't personal.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #246 on: February 17, 2012, 07:00:00 AM »
Hi Cally
Yes it does. The sad part is that Christians have fallen for it and it's really the antithesis of Christian doctern. The policies of neocons runs counter to biblical principles on so many accounts it's hard to know where to start. But as we approach the end times and the return of our Lord draws nearer my hope is that "the elect" won't be decieved any more.

Anyway, here is a very interesting interview with Romney where he laughs at Ron Paul

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #248 on: February 18, 2012, 06:21:58 AM »
You send us a document from the Federal Reserve itself touting their "internal audits"? THAT is what you call an "audit"?

Sorry Bro. An audit is when someone outside your organization looks into what you're doing. But maybe I should try this on the IRS if they ever come to audit me. I'll  just tell them and my wife and me audit ourselfs every day. Go home there's nothing here.

Herman Cain tried to convince people that the Fed has audits all the time, but at least he was clear about those audits being
internal audits". HEre is a video during one of the presidential debates where Herman Cain LIED to the American people when Ron Paul asked him this question. Ron Paul ate his lunch. Unfortunately most people who watched that debate didn't realize how badly Ron Paul owned Cain until after the debate when they looked into it for themselves to verify that Ron Paul was correct and Herman Cain LIED.
See for yourselves.

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« Reply #249 on: February 18, 2012, 08:34:37 AM »
Guess you missed this part.
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■Financial statements of the regional Reserve banks and the Board of Governors must be audited every year by an external auditor.

Fed activities are also periodically audited by the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO), which is the auditing arm of Congress. For example, the GAO recently released a report on Federal Reserve bank governance

The internal audit is simular to most big companies.  But they also have an external audit.
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« Reply #250 on: February 18, 2012, 09:43:10 AM »
Johnb,

You are correct.

Anyone with a clue understands these following facts:

1.  The Fed is audited every year by external auditors.
2.  Well over 95-98%, depending on the year, of the interest the Fed receives from the portion of the national debt it owns is paid back to the US Treasury.
3.  There have been times when folks clung to a myth that they lived in a country with the gold standard.  However, normal banking operations creates additional money way beyond that which the gold was supposedly "backing" when loans are made and money is destroyed when loans are repaid.


In addition to it being illogical to try to have because it has always been impossible to have,  I am also opposed to the gold standard because the government has no business telling anyone what their product is worth.  I'm not a communist.  You can "redeem" your dollars for gold this very day, but at market prices.  

I find it entertaining (though I am quite sure any thinking members of the Paul campaign would rather they shut up) when someone makes a complete nonsequitur by claiming that a fiat currency is the reason for growing national debt.  The reason we have a debt is because the politicians in DC routinely chose to spend more than tax revenue.

While it has been entertaining, I am quite busy this time of year given my profession and have a relatively limited time to communicate with others on this board.  I've decided I will no longer communicate with Paul supporters, fed conspiracy theorists and the like who continue to post completely asinine posts.  It would be like Sheriff Andy Taylor trying to explain to the Darlings that their superstitions are silly and ignorant.

It is my hope that they refrain from topics in which they display nothing but raging ignorance and stick to such matters where they may have a clue.  Ron Paul has more to offer this nation than the completely asinine lunacy his supporters are offering us here.  
taller, better looking and smarter . . .

They turned me loose from the nervous hospital.  Said I was well.  Mmm hmm.

Suffering for your beliefs is called faithfulness, making others suffer for your beliefs is called being a jerk.

His cross, like the ark in the wilderness, is the center around which his people are to encamp; so that they cannot separate into factions, or withdraw from each other, without retiring at the same time from the presence of the cross.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #251 on: February 18, 2012, 10:38:54 AM »
Guess you missed this part.
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■Financial statements of the regional Reserve banks and the Board of Governors must be audited every year by an external auditor.

Fed activities are also periodically audited by the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO), which is the auditing arm of Congress. For example, the GAO recently released a report on Federal Reserve bank governance

The internal audit is simular to most big companies.  But they also have an external audit.


I hate to keep proving you wrong and I will say "wrong" as opposed to promoting a "lie" but just as an example, here is someone from Foreign Affairs writing a piece renouncing the proposed audit of the Fed and Ron Paul. He CLEARLY states that the GAO doesn't, nor does anyone else outside the Fed conduct audits of the Fed and admits that one has never been conducted up til last year when it was revealed that $17 Trillion was tranfered to foreign banks and corporations without the consent or knowledge of Congress or the American people.
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/65395/alan-s-blinder/the-feds-political-problem


Johnb states: I find it entertaining (though I am quite sure any thinking members of the Paul campaign would rather they shut up) when someone makes a complete nonsequitur by claiming that a fiat currency is the reason for growing national debt.  The reason we have a debt is because the politicians in DC routinely chose to spend more than tax revenue.

While it has been entertaining, I am quite busy this time of year given my profession and have a relatively limited time to communicate with others on this board.  I've decided I will no longer communicate with Paul supporters, fed conspiracy theorists and the like who continue to post completely asinine posts.  It would be like Sheriff Andy Taylor trying to explain to the Darlings that their superstitions are silly and ignorant.

It is my hope that they refrain from topics in which they display nothing but raging ignorance and stick to such matters where they may have a clue.  Ron Paul has more to offer this nation than the completely asinine lunacy his supporters are offering us her

OK then go about your way and don't respond. Who wants your patronizing tone anyway? We could take your word that the Fed isn't responsible for the massive amounts of debt (servitude) thrust on the American people and their children or, we can take the words of very prominant individuals past, and present. You know, not some guy on the internet who shows no evidence to back what he says, but actual presidents, Congressmen, Senators etc.


http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/quotes-about-the-federal-reserve-and-central-banking

Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States."
-Sen. Barry Goldwater

It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
-Henry Ford

"The regional Federal Reserve banks are not government agencies. ...but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations."
-Lewis vs. United States, 680 F. 2d 1239 9th Circuit 1982

"The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the International bankers."
-Congressman Louis T. McFadden

“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.

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Re: Who would you vote for today?
« Reply #252 on: February 18, 2012, 11:13:19 AM »
Here are morte quotes and more information for my brethern regarding central banks, bankers, our founding fathers, debt, credit, and the Constitution.

http://www.thenorthwestreport.com/federal-reserve-bank-quotes-the-central-bank-fraud/

And more. Some of these are GREAT
http://www.gemworld.com/US-Quotes-Bank.htm

Andrew Jackson pulled the charter from the Second Bank of the United States. He ran his entire campaign for re-election on that. Biddle promised to ruin the economy of our country in hopes that it would push us back into dependence on a central bank. Both men made good on their promises. Biddle pulled back all credit after Jackson pulled his charter. But, by  the end of his four year second term this country was completely out of debt and we experianced to this day the biggest boom cycle in our country's history. It was the ONLY time  in out history that we were out of debt.
Here are some quotes by Jackson (noticed how he references God)
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quotes_by/andrew+jackson

Here are more. Many of these are included in the sites above but some are not.

Is this "conspiracy theory"? Or.....is it simply a conspiracy?

We can believe someone without a face or a real name, on the intrernet....or we can believe the likes of Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Henry Ford, Congressman McFadden, Abriham Lincoln, FDR, Woodrow Wilson, Ron Paul,Edward Griffen, and others.

CHOOSE but inform yourselves first.

What we do in this election will have a direct bearing on the future of our country and the well being of our children. We can leave them massive amounts of debt, loss of freedom, and constant wars or we can leave them in peace, prosperity and freedom. Consult with the Lord. Ask His wisdom on this matter. For in my research it is none other than the bankers and the politicians whom they control that are and have been working toward a one world government. In no other time in human history since the prophesies have been written could the children of the Most High God comprehend how the prophesies would come about into fulfillment. All we knew, was that it would happen within the context of our modern reality. "They were eating and drinking. They were marrying and giving in marriage".
Now we can see that the global financial system can be administered via super computers and the one world system can and probably will be administered through the United Nations.

But how did the United Nations come about? It came about through the strong influence of global central banking elements. In 1913 the Federal Reserve Act was passed. A few years later those same bankers who established the Federal Reserve set up a think tank in New York called The Council on Foreign Relations. (CFR). The League of Nations Charter was written at the CFR and later on, so was the United Nations Charter. So was the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and Central American Free Trade Agreement(CAFTA) and they were instrumental in establishing the International Monitary Fund, (IMF) the General Agreement on Tarrifs and Trade (GATT) which was replaced by the World Trade Organization (WTO) which is the lending arm of the IMF. These so called "free trade agreements" have done nothing but greatly diminish our sovereignty as a nation, subvert the free market and artificially shrink the planet causing just about every country to be so inter-locked and economically dependent on central banks and each other that no country can operate independently as a sovereign nation. This is a plan to incrementally corral us into a one world hegonomey. The plan is called "The New World Order".

We know from scripture that God hates the idea of a one world government run by man, in a fallen world system. We know this from Genesis when the Lord destroyed the Tower of Babal. We know it also from New Testiment scriptures that when Jesus returns He wages war against the antichrist and his armies. The antichrist comes to power and rules the world through the one world government and he begins to persecute the children of the Most High God.
So ANY christian who believes what the bible says should oppose ALL attempts to form a one world government and a financial system that will lead to the requirement to recieve the mark of the beast. Right now, today, there is an attempt to do just that and it's being orchestrated by global central bankers.

Yes we also know that no matter what we do or don't do, the prophesies will come true. But there are many other prophesies concerning the last days that will happen. Women will give up their natural effection and will burn in lust for each other. Lawlessness will increase and most people's love will wax cold. Violence will increase. As people who are called to be salt and light, we are to resist these things or at the very least not take part in them.

Some people will be decieved into actually supporting or even voting for those who are working either knowingly or unknowingly to bring about the things that Our Lord opposes. These people are either directly or indirectly taking part then, in the persecution of the end times Saints of God.

Will we be among them? Is this just naother election where we think if we elect this guy instead of that guy all will be well?
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« Reply #253 on: February 18, 2012, 11:17:13 AM »
When Pres Bush (Sr) started using the term during his administration, one was led to believe that he or his advisor made up the term.
  
"One August 1989 morning in  Kennebunkport, Maine, Pres Bush (Sr) took his national security adviser, Brent Scowcroft, for a ride on the presidential speed boat, Fidelity.  Four hours later, the president came ashore with a ringing slogan that Scowcroft had offered:  "The New World Order"  Ever since, the goal of a "new world order" has been the theme of Bush's Foreign policy pronouncements.----LA Times Feb 24, 1991
  
But this term has actually been used for generations by individuals seeking one-world socialist rule.
  
Here are many references to the term (not a complete study) that refute any claim that it originated with Bush and also prove that it is a well-used term over many decades to indicate that it meant a socialist world government.  I have also included some other references that I thought were pertinent.
  
1915 - Nov 27, Columbia University president Nicholas Murray Butler (on the executive committee of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace) delivered an address, "A New World Order is Being Born" to the Union League of Philadelphia in which he stated:  "The old world order changed when this war storm broke--the old world order died with the setting of the day's sun and a New World Order is being born while I speak."
  
1918 - Charles R. Van Hise, Pres. University of Wisconsin, delivers an address to the Wisconsin State Convention of The League to Enforce Peace.  The title of the address is:  "The Foundation of a New World Order" in which he says:  "The world has become one body, and no great member of it can proceed independently of the other members.  They must act together; and this is possible only through formal treaty covenants."
  
1919 -  The January edition of International Conciliation (connected with the Carnegie organization) focuses upon "A League of Nations."  A cover letter sent, with this edition of the journal, begins with these words:  "The peace conference has assembled. It will make the most momentous decisions in history, and upon these decisions will rest the stability of the new world order and the future peace of the world."
  
1919 -  A book entitled The New World Order by Samuel Zane Batten is published by the American Baptist Publication Society.  In this book, Batten declares:  "The old order passes from view, the new world rises upon our vision....We have vindicated the right of social control.....There must be developed a national spirit of service....Society must break the stranglehold of capitalism....The natural resources of the nation must be socialized....The state must socialize every group....Men must learn to have a world patriotism.  World patriotism must be a faith....There is no more justice for the claim of absolute sovereignty on the part of a nation than on the part of an individual....The only alternative is World Federation....with a world parliament, and international court, and an international police force....Men must have an international mind before there can be a world federation.  Th
  
1920 - A book entitled  The New World Order (International Organization, International Law, International Cooperation) by Frederick Charles Hicks Doubleday 1920.  He is law librarian of Columbia University, and in this book he suggests that among the most powerful few of the Great Powers, the example must be set to "cooperate, here and there, piece by piece, in limiting the exercise of their sovereign rights."
  
1927 - The Christian Science Monitor (August 8) quoted from an address to the World Federation of Education Associations (WFEA) by Dr. Augustus Thomas (commissioner of education for Maine) at their Toronto congress:  "If there are those who think we are to jump immediately into a new world order, actuated by complete understanding and brotherly love, they are doomed to disappointment."  He says the world must go through a long process of education "...until the cobwebs of the old order are brushed out of the minds of the people of all lands."  
  
1928 - A book entitled The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution by socialist H. G. Wells is published.  He declares that  "..The political world of the Open Conspiracy must weaken, efface, incorporate and supersede existing governments....The Open Conspiracy is the natural inheritor of socialist and communist enthusiasms, it may be in control of Moscow before it is in control of New York...."
  
1931 - Historian Arnold Toynbee delivers a speech to the Institute for the Study of International Affairs at Copenhagen in which he explains:  "We are at present working discreetly with all our might to wrest this mysterious force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local nation states of the world.  All the time we are denying with our lips what we are doing with our hands, because to impugn the sovereignty of the local nation states of the world is still a heresy for which a statesman or publicist can perhaps not quite be burned at the stake but certainly be ostracized or discredited."  --International Affairs (journal of the Royal Institute of International Affairs, i.e. the British version of the Council on Foreign Relations) Nov 1931, "The Trend of International Affairs Wince the War"
  
1934 - Experiment In Autobiography by H. G. Wells is published in which he states:  "The organization of this that I call the Open Conspiracy....which will ultimately supply teaching, coercive and directive public services to the whole world, is the immediate task before all rationale people...A planned world-state is appearing at a thousand points....Plans for political synthesis seem to grow bolder and more extensive....There must be a common faith and law for mankind....The main battle is an educational battle.
  
1940 - A book entitled, The New World Order by H.G. Wells, in which Wells claims:   "It is the system of nationalist individualism that has to go....We are living in the end of the sovereign states....In the great struggle to evoke a Westernized World Socialism, contemporary governments may vanish....Countless people...will hate the new world order....and will die protesting against it."
  
1940 -  A Book World Order (Civitas Dei) by Lionel Curtis is published.  This 985 page volume will be called the foundation of all thought on the design of a new order.  It examines human society and concludes that a working system must mean the organization of all human society into one commonwealth.
  
1942 - In The Philadelphia Inquirer (June 18), reporter William Murphy, Jr. wrote that on June 17, "Undersecretary of State, Sumner Welles called for the early creation of an international organization....the setting up of a new world order on a permanent basis."
  
1948 - July: The CFR's Foreign Affairs publishes "A New World Takes Shape" by Sir Harold Butler in which he asks:  "How far can the life of nations, which for centuries have thought of themselves as distinct and unique, be merged with the life of other nations?  How far are they prepared to sacrifice a part of their sovereignty without which there can be no effective economic or political union?....Out of the prevailing confusion a new world is taking shape...which may point the way toward the new order."
  
1948 - UNESCO: Its Purpose and Its Philosophy by Fabian Socialist Sir Julian Huxley is published in which he proclaims that UNESCO "...In its education  program it can stress the ultimate need for world political unity and familiarize all peoples with the implications of the transfer of full sovereignty from separate nations to a world organization..."
  
1949 - April:  United Nations World magazine publishes an article by Ambassador Warren Austin, chief of the U.S. Mission to the UN, in which he pronounces that "....World government could not be accepted without radical change of national outlook.... It will take a long time to prepare peoples and governments of most nations for acceptance of and participation in a world government....If we expect this future world government to be created by agreement and not by force or conquest, we will have to be willing to work patiently until peoples or governments are ready for it....
  
1949 - Towards World Understanding, vol. V, is published by UNESCO, and in this volume one reads:  "As long as the child breathes the poisoned air of nationalism, education in world-mindedness can produce only rather precarious results....For the moment, it is sufficient to note that it is most frequently in the family that the children are infected with nationalism by hearing what is national extolled and what is foreign disparaged....The activity of the school cannot bring about the desired result unless, repudiating every form of nationalism..."
  
1949 - The New World Order by communist Scott Nearing is published, in which he projects that "the one world of technology must become one world also economically and politically....Such objectives will be achieved most easily through a science of social engineering."
  
1951 - July 24: The Chicago Tribune publishes a front page news article titled " 'Global' Flag Gen. Ike's Aim, Says Senator," which begins with the words:  "Gen. Eisenhower is working for an allied army under a single flag, uniform, and command to defend Western Europe, senators reported today on their return from an overseas inspection trip."
  
1951 - July 31:  The Chicago Tribune publishes an article, "OWI (office of war information) Propaganda machine Linked to Rhodes (Rhodes scholars) Men," stating:   "Those who absorbed the Elmer Davis(Rhodes scholar and head of OWI), Office of War Information training have pushed the British concept of policing the world with American soldiers and economic aid and have fought for a world federation under which the United States would surrender its sovereignty."  About 40 years later, American soldiers will be stationed in many nations around the world as part of UN peacekeeping missions.
  
1953 - The Impact of Science on Society by Fabian Socialist Bertrand Russell is published in which he declares:  " I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is mass psychology....Various results will soon be arrived at:  that the influence of home is obstructive....although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class.  The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated.  When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for a generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen....Educational propaganda, with government help, could achieve this result in a generation.  There are, however, two powerful forces opposed to such a policy: one is religion; the other is nationalism....A scientific world society cannot be stable unless there is a world government.
  
1958 - In Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.'s The Coming of the New Deal he quotes Machiavelli at the front of the book saying,  "There is nothing...more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a new order of things."  And at the end of the book, he quotes Fabian Socialist H.G. Wells describing FDR as:  "The most effective transmitting instrument possible for the coming of the new world order....He is continuously revolutionary in the new way without ever provoking a stark revolutionary crisis."
  
1959 - The West in Crisis by James Warburg is published, in which he proclaims that:  "...a world order without world law is an anachronism....A world which fails to establish the rule of law over the nation-states cannot long continue to exist.  We are living in a perilous period of transition from the era of the fully sovereign nation-state to the era of world government."  James Warburg is a CFR member and founder of United World Federalists.  He is also the son of Paul Warburg, an architect of the Federal Reserve.
  
1960 - The United States in the World Arena by Walt Rostow (CFR) is published.  In the book he declares:  "It is a legitimate American objective to see removed from all nations--including the United States--the right to use substantial military force to pursue their own interest.  Since this residual right is the root of national sovereignty and the basis for the existence of an international arena of power, it is, therefore, an American interest to see an end to nationhood as it had been historically defined."
  
1961 - Sept, State Department document 7277 titled, "Freedom From War: The U.S. Program for General and Complete disarmament in a Peaceful World" is published.  Pres Kennedy delivers this to the UN on Sept 25.  This document provides that the United States will disarm along with other countries so that the UN becomes the unchallengeable World power....disarmament "would proceed to a point where no state would have the military power to challenge the progressively strengthened UN Peace Force."   This transition is still going on today.
  
1962 - March 10 State Department Study Memorandum No. 7, "A World Effectively Controlled by the United Nations, " written by CFR member Lincoln Bloomfield, in which he states:  "A world effectively controlled by the United Nations is one in which "world government" would come about through the establishment of supranational institutions, characterized by mandatory universal membership and some ability to employ physical force....(But) if the communist dynamic was greatly abated, the West might lose whatever incentive it has for world government"    It looks as if now the "communist menace" has been replaced by the "terrorist menace".  And of course they can switch back to the communist menace or any other kind of menace whenever they want to.
  
1962 - A lecture given by CFR member Nelson Rockefeller at Harvard University in which he says that there is"...a new and free order struggling to be born....(There is a )fever of nationalism....(but) the nation-state is becoming less and less competent to perform its international political tasks....These are some of the reasons pressing us to lead vigorously toward the true building of a new world order....(with)voluntary service...Sooner perhaps than we may realize,....there will evolve the bases for a federal structure of the free world."
  
1967 - March 26:  Pope Paul VI writes Populorum Progressio and states:  "Who can fail to see the need and importance of thus gradually coming to the establishment of a world authority capable of taking effective action on the juridical and political planes?    Delegates to international organizations, public officials, gentlemen of the press, teachers and educators--all of you must realize that you have your part to play in the construction of a new world order.
  
1967 - Richard Nixon writing in The CFR periodical Foreign Affairs Oct 1967  "....and to evolve regional approaches to development  needs and to the evolution of a new world order."
  
1968 - The Subtle and Leisurely Penetration, a reference report from the George Mason School of Correspondence, is published by Education Information, Inc., of Sacramento, CA.  It mentions that the thirty-two Americans to be Rhodes Scholars this year have been selected, and then states:  "The stated objectives of Cecil John Rhodes and his friend, Sir Andrew Carnegie, included the reduction of the United States to a colony of the New World Order."
  
1968 - October:  In this edition of the CFR's Foreign Affairs is an article, "Asia After Vietnam," by Richard Nixon (CFR member 1961-1965), in which he writes of nations' disposition "to evolve regional approaches to development needs and to the evolution of a new world order."
  
  
1968 - Gov Nelson Rockefeller from Deseret News July 26, 1968, Salt Lake City, Utah pg 2A...."New York Gov Nelson A. Rockefeller says as president he would work toward international creation of "a new world order...."
  
1970 - Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era by Zbigniew Brzezinski is published.  He is a CFR member who will become the first director of the Trilateral Commission and President Carter's national security advisor.  In this book he states:  "Marxism represents a further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man's universal vision.  Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external, active man over the inner, passive man and a victory of reason over belief.....Human beings become increasingly manipulable and malleable...Today we are again witnessing the emergence of transnational elites....whose ties cut across national boundaries....The nation-state is gradually yielding its sovereignty....Further progress will require greater American sacrifices.   More intensive efforts to shape a new world monetary structure will have to be underta

1991 - Associated Press June 6, Oslo, Norway:    "Mikhail Gorbachev said yesterday in his Nobel Peace lecture that Western failure to heed his call for economic aid could dash hopes for a peaceful new world order.....'To me, it is self-evident that if Soviet perestroika succeeds, there will be a real chance of building a new world order.' "
  

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1975 - James Reston Sunday Herald Advertiser , Boston Aug 3, 1975......"the spirit of Glassboro under President Johnson was that the big powers should forget the past and work together for a new world order...."
 
1975 - A Declaration of INTERdependence by Henry Steele Commager Oct 24, 1975......."Two centuries ago our forefathers brought forth a new nation; now we must join with others to bring forth a new world order.. .."
 
1976 - The Freeman Digest (Jan 79) will publish an interview with Joseph Slater, president of the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies, in which he will respond to the question about "the new world order" as follows:  "Whatever system is constructed, many people feel that the new global community will be monolithic; that is why the words "new world order" tend to connote a sort of 1984 Orwellian kind of notion where there is some master system...."
 
1977 - The Third Try at World Order by Harlan Cleveland, CFR member is published.  He calls for "changing Americans' attitudes and institutions"; for "complete disarmament (except for international soldiers)"; for "fairer distribution of worldly goods through a new International Economic Order"; and for "international standard for individual entitlement to food, health and education."
 
1977 - July: The Atlantic Monthly publishes "The Trilateral Connection" by former Washington Post columnist Jeremiah Novak, in which he states:  "For the third time in this century, a group of American scholars, businessmen, and government officials is planning to fashion a New World Order."
 
 
1979 - Fidel Castro, Associated Press Oct 12 1979 at the United Nations.   "Fidel Castro finger waving in the air and angry fist thumping the lectern, demanded a "new world order" and dressed down the United States today for "aggressive" and "exploitative" policies around the world."
 
1982 - "Just as  there must come a new world economic order, there must come a new world communication order.....It will take time, but it must come."  Christian Century April 14, 1982 p. 442, by William F. Fore.
 
1986 - Regarding "the establishment" of which George Bush was a member, a book was written about some of its leaders and was titled The Wise Men (1986).  It was co-authored by Rhodes Scholar, CFR member, and a Time editor, Walter isaacson, who described how 6 leaders "shaped a new world order," were internationalists, and had a "common outlook."   One of them, Chip Bohlen, was quoted as saying about socialism:  "maybe that is the road we ought to go down."   Also in the book one reads that Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. in 1965 wrote:  "The New York financial and legal community was the heart of the American establishment....its front organizations, the Rockefeller, Ford and Carnegie foundations and the Council on Foreign Relations."
 
1988 - George Bush would run for the presidency of the United States in 1988, and on Feb 10, The Washington Post quoted David Rockefeller as remarking that  "He's (Bush) one of us ('the establishment')....If he were president, he would be in a better position than anyone else to pull together the people in the country who believe that we are in fact living in one world and have to act that way."
 
1988 - Mikhail Gorbachev speaking at UN , The Boston Globe Dec 8 1988  "....He called for a "new world order" founded not on force but on dialogue......."
 
1989 - President Bush gave the commencement address at Texas A & M University on May 12, he which he stated "Ultimately, our objective is to welcome the Soviet Union back into the world order....Perhaps the world order of the future will truly be a family of nations." --Arizona Daily Star, May 12.
 
1990 - Mikhail Gorbachev quoted in Washington Post Feb 25 1990   "...A new world order is taking shape so fast that governments are well as private citizens find it difficult just to absorb the gallop of events....."
 
1990 - Mikhail Gorbachev speaking at Stanford University quoted by Sentinel wire services Jun 5 1990  "Saying the world should not debate who won the Cold War, Soviet President Mikhail S. Gorbachev called Monday for the United states and Soviet Union to be partners in building "a new world order"...."Tolerance is the alpha and omega of a new world order"....
 
1991 - May 18 Valley Times, Pleasanton, CA an article entitled "Shevardnadze touts U.N.", staff writer Jeanie R. Wakeland writes about a speech in San Francisco sponsored by the World Affairs Council:  "Shevardnadze said the United nations cannot do anything if its decisions aren't carried out by all members.  nations can be made to feel they 'lose' if they go against a U.N. position, Shevardnadze said.  'If we can rely on the (U.N.) position, we can build on this for a new world order."
 
1991 - Associated Press June 6, Oslo, Norway:    "Mikhail Gorbachev said yesterday in his Nobel Peace lecture that Western failure to heed his call for economic aid could dash hopes for a peaceful new world order.....'To me, it is self-evident that if Soviet perestroika succeeds, there will be a real chance of building a new world order.' "