It's called sarcasm...my post was dripping with it...and yours is dripping with bitterness...if you would like to talk about it, please feel free to PM me.

In Christ,
KP

 We have Christian doctors in my congregation, they love God, this is their occupation, just as you and I have occupations. A workman is worth his hire, according to the word of God. These Christian physicians in my church are not rich, do medical missions, here in the United States, and abroad. Do you want to rip, the brethren, who choose the medical profession to be harmed financially? Do you want your livelyhood to be harmed?  I am sure they do not want theirs to be either. The stupid healthcare Bill, is not going to benefit the poor, it will penalize them, they must purchase healthcare, or be in debt for fines or jail. We also have to think of the elderly ( God does not love them?), they are the ones going to suffer the most. The will be denied treatment, and many are life saving treatments, that have extended many older peoples life. We also have medicare, medicaid, and here in Oklahoma Sooner care for children, free care for Indians, even their own hospital ( very state of the art). I will suffer, and so will others, because I have narcolepsy, I have three daughters, how will I take care of them? I hope you are not in my path when I drive. You see my medication is expensive, I have taken it for fifteen years, and the government will not provide it, I am sure. I cannot take an alternative I have tried, and it was horrible. Am I not worthy of love, because I work, for now, until my medication is going to be null and void. Why, are people who work, not worthy of love+ Does God not command us to work? You think when they tax you to death, and you have to worry about how to feed your family, how to give to God, and other unfortunate people, that is love? I say fix the broken system of insurance, not Government take over. It just makes me sick, to have the " Love" card thrown around in the government Obamacare.  BTW, it is not love to pay for abortions, it is sin and an abomination.  I love others, but, does not mean I want the government to control my medical care, or that of my family. You see I love my husband, kids, and parents also. Is that not acceptable to do, to love my family God blessed me with? I also love others, and help, them it is called Christian Charity. I love myself as it is commanded, because you can not love others, if that is not in place. That is not vain or concited, it is a command, and well if I am sick, what will happen to others I want to help? Love is not forced charity, It does not override over my free will. That is the first gift God gave us in the garden free will.  I hate, I mean hate, this administrations socialist agenda ( notice I did not say Obama). I hate how it  is destroying a whole nation with a bunch of stupid sheep saying baa, when he says to say baa.

How can you blame the church for people not having health insurance? I mean really. Good grief.

I do not know what your local "church" does to help the needy and poor, but I can assure you that ours is doing plenty. Not only do we give 15% of our total tithe collection to missions and the needy, we also help others outside of that mandate. That money is given first. Before anything.

I pay my tithes. My wife pays hers on her earnings. I am really getting sick of people calling "Christians" out over this issue. Would you be willing to show what percentage of your income you give to the Lord as well as additional to other charities? I am. I want some of the people who are harping on this to put their money where their mouth is.

Your point is ridiculous. It really is. The "Church" as a whole gives a lot to the community. Disasters.. Hunger... Disease treatment.. Have you ever been on a mission and seen what real poverty is? Have you? Do you know what plain ole American's give to charity every year? Please. It is more than a lot of countries entire budget.

No, one of the biggest problems in this country is, what most consider poor, isn't poor. A lot of people are where they are at because they are lazy. They want someone to give it to them. I believe in helping the needy. But I do NOT believe in enabling laziness. And I am not ashamed to say that.

A whopping 15% eh?  I'm sorry, I'm just not impressed.  According to Barna Research 5-7% of adult church goers tithe.  And of that 15% is used for healthcare.  Surely you can understand why I'm less than impressed.  I am quite pleased to hear that you and your wife tithe regularly.  You are in the minority tho.

Yes, I am quite aware of what real poverty looks like.  My family went on a mission trip and lived for a little over a year in one of the top ten poorest counties in the USA.  I'm going to return there this coming weekend to take some winter clothing.  Wanna go with?

So I've offered some stats to support my contention that the Church is doing poorly in providing for the needy, where is yours that these folks are just lazy?  Have you seen the unemployment % lately?

But what does that have to do with the government running health care? Not much.

The effort in the House and the Senate really has very little to do with improving health care.  It has to do with government control and the redistribution of wealth.  In fact they don't even make a pretense at improving health care.  If anything it will get worse.