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« on: Sat Mar 24, 2018 - 06:06:57 »
Hi guys.

Having some trouble which is getting me down and need some advice.

I have been attending a new church "1" for a year or two.

I am not as faithful as i could be and do not attend mid week prayer meetings and not always any Sunday meetings.

I attend another sort of "assembly". church "2" if you like as well for a littler longer. I feel very comfortable in church 2 which happens to be out of town.

But, i dont feel i am "growing" there as such. because of the nature of the meetings there in church 2. there is no real "Bible study" as such. the worship  is certainly there and there is room for people to share things as the Holy Spirit leads rather than a set "routine".

Church 2 has said they "need" me. They have me do the song leading and MC'ing ( for want of a better phrase ) when we have a monthly shared tea and visiting speaker.

I think church 1 IS the best option for the area. Both churches have areas i dont particularly agree with, but i dont think anything major.

If i become an official member of church 1, then i must only attend THAT church.

The reasoning was the analogy of the church being made up of body parts, and i one body part is not there, it kinda stuffs things up.

I see that point, but this sounds a little harsh to me. the JW's, mormons, SDA's and other organisations ( since i have to be careful of the 4 letter "c" word here ) do the same.

i dont want to lose or stop going to either church. I love them both.

The other option i guess is to keep on attending church 1 when i can, but not actually be a "member".

Any ideas?

 

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« Reply #1 on: Sat Mar 24, 2018 - 09:20:13 »
Sounds as if you have a great opportunity to be a positive influence to more people than if you were confined to one group. Church attendance is not a category that salvation is based on, I don't believe. Unless the leaders of one of the churches objects to your attending both places, I wouldn't worry about it. And, if one objects, it might be the one you eliminate. It is for freedom that Christ has set you free. It sounds to me like you are adding to both churches with your presence. Spread the joy, and keep on smiling. IMO.
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« Reply #2 on: Sat Mar 24, 2018 - 10:27:59 »
I don't get this push to make people sign a contract to become "official members" of a congregation.

Just seems like man made hoops to me...and we left a church over it...too (scary) restrictive, and leaning towards favoritism and felt like it gave the pastors ultimate authority over our lives...not Christ. (long story given in cryptic form)  Didn't set well with the hubs and myself.

I'm sorry Kiwi that you are feeling such angst about church.  Been there and it stinks!

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« Reply #3 on: Sat Mar 24, 2018 - 21:32:10 »
Sounds as if you have a great opportunity to be a positive influence to more people than if you were confined to one group. Church attendance is not a category that salvation is based on, I don't believe. Unless the leaders of one of the churches objects to your attending both places, I wouldn't worry about it. And, if one objects, it might be the one you eliminate. It is for freedom that Christ has set you free. It sounds to me like you are adding to both churches with your presence. Spread the joy, and keep on smiling. IMO.
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Oh, if i was to become an "official" member of church 1 i wont be allowed in effect to attend church 2.

I feel i can be a blessing in both churches.

The major doctrines are in-line with each-other as far as I am concerned.

i DO feel more loved in church 2.

But, i am trying to keep feelings out of it.

And pride. I can get up and speak, and lead ( to an extent ) in church 2. I hope my leaning towards that church is not based on pride. I mean, we all like to be mr or mrs popular, don't we?

And with my past, i have very low self esteem and self-worth.

i am trying to think in terms of what is best for the church, not what is best for ME.

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« Reply #4 on: Sat Mar 24, 2018 - 21:39:01 »
I don't get this push to make people sign a contract to become "official members" of a congregation.

Just seems like man made hoops to me...and we left a church over it...too (scary) restrictive, and leaning towards favoritism and felt like it gave the pastors ultimate authority over our lives...not Christ. (long story given in cryptic form)  Didn't set well with the hubs and myself.

I'm sorry Kiwi that you are feeling such angst about church.  Been there and it stinks!

I just dont think i have time for all this politics and legalism type stuff.

Time is running out, lets fellowship with one another and get the GOSPEL out there!

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« Reply #5 on: Sun Mar 25, 2018 - 07:51:50 »
Oh, if i was to become an "official" member of church 1 i wont be allowed in effect to attend church 2.
How would you not be allowed to attend church 2?  Who would not "allow" it?

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« Reply #6 on: Sun Mar 25, 2018 - 08:53:42 »
I just dont think i have time for all this politics and legalism type stuff.

Time is running out, lets fellowship with one another and get the GOSPEL out there!

That is exactly how we felt!  And, we are recovering from some abuses in our past, so the authoritarian "I know better than you ever could about what God wants for you" type "covenant membership" *freaked* us out! There are SOOO many red flags there for us!!!

We have found a smaller church, a simple church, a church that is loving and accepting and still biblically sound.  We also wanted to find a place that let the Spirit lead us to our ministry and use in the church, and get away from the Pastor deciding for us where our best fit is and leave us stuck there, no more reason to get to know us or invest in us, we have our handed out assignments.  ::frustrated::

For what its worth...I will always  avoid the hoops, that force us to "prove" ourselves by how "obedient" to a pastor we are, and find a place that better sounds like the rest Jesus says we can find in Him.

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« Reply #7 on: Sun Mar 25, 2018 - 08:56:33 »
How would you not be allowed to attend church 2?  Who would not "allow" it?

The elders and Pastors at church 1.  If it gets out that Kiwi is visiting over at the other church, he will likely be brought in for "discipline" (a favorite point for why church membership is so important; the Pastor HAS to have a way to hold his flock accountable)  You wanna get spooked? ::peeking:: You should read up on the 9Marks of meaningful membership.  Its shocking and frightening. ::hiding::

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« Reply #8 on: Sun Mar 25, 2018 - 09:17:14 »
You should read up on the 9Marks of meaningful membership.  Its shocking and frightening. ::hiding::
That is in the Bible?

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« Reply #9 on: Sun Mar 25, 2018 - 09:34:44 »
That is in the Bible?

Haha!  Thats our position exactly, because NO!  But, they do their best to wrangle and work and make scripture say something it does not so that the congregation be made to feel its "right" and "good" and "sanctioned" by God. ::doh::

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« Reply #10 on: Sun Mar 25, 2018 - 13:08:52 »
There is more church buildings than birds flying in the air here in Pickens County, S.C. right on the buckle of the bible belt. I often wonder why they just do not sell them all and build one temple greater than Solomon's~for their overall beliefs are not much different, but I do know why....EACH is looking for their own RELIGION, and the way they think God should be worship, not to mention, there is big money in religion and it offers many of them a good life of ease without working very hard for it.

Working through religion is the main way Satan deceived people into making them very comfortable in having a false hope of doing service unto God in the manner that best suits their lifestyle and liking. After all, who do not want to live forever IF there is a life after this life are their thoughts~so a little religion most can endure.

Church membership is UNKNOWN is the scriptures. In the scriptures, they often worship together according to their proximity~yet that did not mean that they were forbidden to meet with other saints in other locations. In our day, EVERYONE is building a name for themselves and quickly lay claims on most who walk through the door more than once, they go after them like hound dog would toward raw meat.

Now If they thought you had some DEEP convictions, then you would be asked to MOVE ON for they care little about doctrines, more about NUMBERS, for numbers means BUSINESS to them

There are a few exceptions to this rule for sure, but those people will be FEW IN NUMBERS and most likely not too much to offer the flesh and your little ones. There are a few, few men of God still standing, but they are UNKNOWN to the world and certainly hated by them.

I would not be looking for an outward church to fit in but would be looking at my heart daily to see how I could make myself a more shining light in this dark world of RELIGION. Most of God's children have fled from Judea and are hiding in the mountains of God's safe haven that he has provided for them. 2nd Timothy 3:1-4:5

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« Reply #11 on: Sun Mar 25, 2018 - 16:25:01 »
I see no issues with you meeting with believers from different churches. Having to be a member isn't Biblical at all.
If a church won't allow you to mix with anyone from outside their church then that's far too controlling. I have been to a church were they frowned upon any mixing in other groups, even towards attending a woman's Christian prayer breakfast. Its madness. Of course I took no notice as stuff like that doesn't stop me.

I have become a member at our present church, but only because my husband wanted to, but it wouldnt stop me from attending things elsewhere. Its the first time I have become a member of a church but as I said its not Biblical and if left to me I wouldnt have done so.
I am looking into going to a womans meeting at another church not far away, it seems to be more my thing, but I think its good to mix with people from other churhes and denominations.

Church 2 sounds good, you can do bible stufy on your own or listen to cd's.

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« Reply #12 on: Sun Mar 25, 2018 - 16:32:45 »
A church that requires my signature to be solely a part of that church and that church only is no church for me, nor would I recommend it for anyone else.

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« Reply #13 on: Mon Mar 26, 2018 - 02:07:26 »
I see no issues with you meeting with believers from different churches. Having to be a member isn't Biblical at all.
If a church won't allow you to mix with anyone from outside their church then that's far too controlling. I have been to a church were they frowned upon any mixing in other groups, even towards attending a woman's Christian prayer breakfast. Its madness. Of course I took no notice as stuff like that doesn't stop me.

I have become a member at our present church, but only because my husband wanted to, but it wouldnt stop me from attending things elsewhere. Its the first time I have become a member of a church but as I said its not Biblical and if left to me I wouldnt have done so.
I am looking into going to a womans meeting at another church not far away, it seems to be more my thing, but I think its good to mix with people from other churhes and denominations.

Church 2 sounds good, you can do bible stufy on your own or listen to cd's.

yes, we should mix with all people.

I think the danger is when a Christian has a week foundation and they can be swayed to and fro on every wind of doctrine, so i get that.

This "just stick with us" type approach is reminiscent of a cult.

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« Reply #14 on: Mon Mar 26, 2018 - 02:10:30 »
I see no issues with you meeting with believers from different churches. Having to be a member isn't Biblical at all.

Acts 2:41 was used. "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."

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« Reply #15 on: Mon Mar 26, 2018 - 07:56:57 »
Acts 2:41 was used. "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."

This is one of the verses the covenant membership sign up people love to use...but its a shallow understanding at best and a terrible manipulation of scripture at worst.  These people were added unto them because of their receiving and being baptized, not because they signed their name, pledging themselves to a specific church body.

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« Reply #16 on: Mon Mar 26, 2018 - 09:25:44 »
This is one of the verses the covenant membership sign up people love to use...but its a shallow understanding at best and a terrible manipulation of scripture at worst.  These people were added unto them because of their receiving and being baptized, not because they signed their name, pledging themselves to a specific church body.


+1, at the time, it was a victory to preach Christ and have people accept Him, that is where the 3000 were added to, not Peter; Jesus!  ::smile::

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« Reply #17 on: Mon Mar 26, 2018 - 22:39:54 »
Thanks guys.

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« Reply #18 on: Tue Mar 27, 2018 - 06:40:25 »
Acts 2:41 was used. "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."


That's talking about people becoming a Christian not becoming a member of a church. I actually think its pretty narrow minded to only mix with people from one church or one denomination. There is such a rich variety we loose by being so limited. I have been to churches of 5 or 6 denominations and many events/meetings/conferences with people from many many different church backgrounds. We are all His children.

I have no idea why a church would try and stop this, maybe its fear of losing members????   

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« Reply #19 on: Tue Mar 27, 2018 - 16:40:07 »
They make a distinction between the body of Christ and the local Church.

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« Reply #20 on: Wed Mar 28, 2018 - 09:31:53 »
They make a distinction between the body of Christ and the local Church.

And, IMO is a foolish one.

Another red flag was being told "membership" was so that you would be able to know who you were responsible for and to whom had responsibility over you.

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